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[PdotMichael]

Both drivers!?!? Hamilton got smashed into. There is no reason for him to take a penalty. If they do then his 'is it cos I is black' stuff may well be true! D:

come on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4_-vA5jKjA

 

[Jinjo]

I'm ashamed there's even a discussion going on about this..

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Maybe I was wrong about Bruno! We'll have to see how he performs tomorrow!

 

[Juicy Bob]

This race just isn't the same without Kimi.

I agree. It's far better.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Webber will be the cause of the next 1998 Spa race.



Because Hamilton would be expecting Maldonado to not turn right (where the racing line is) on an in-lap? They shouldn't have been anywhere near each other.

And Schumi has another confrontation with a Scot.

 

[Psychotext]

"Finally Sebastian, a few words in German"

I've never seen this part of the drivers conference before.

 

[Igo]

I realise the track is curving right at that point, but he was nowhere near the edge, and from the front shot he appears to move slightly more right (relative to the normal right curve you would be taking).

So you want him to drift further off-line and onto the damp part of the track and then attempt to make the turn? Who knows if Maldonado would have even backed off.

 

[Ponti]

come on!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4_-vA5jKjA

Maldonado goes far to the right, Hamilton sees the space and pulls to the right a little to get ready for Eau Rouge when suddenly a wild Venezuelen turns left into him.

Pro tip: No one moves to the left hand side of the track for Eau Rouge.

 

[brotkasten]

Sooo, what the hell happened with Alonso? Any explanation for his horrible performance?

 

[Ark]

I'm ashamed there's even a discussion going on about this..

After a year lurking and this year posting in F1-GAF I've learned to not be surprised by any of the reactions on here.

And Schumi has another confrontation with a Scot.

Everything is in place, a Scot near the back and a McLaren on the front row.

 

[S. L.]

Sooo, what the hell happened with Alonso? Any explanation for his horrible performance?

i assume they couldn't get enough heat into the tyres?
the dry setup certainly didn't help either

 

[Lucius86]

I'm ashamed there's even a discussion going on about this..

Yeah, I'm wanting to post less in F1 Gaf now because, frankly, we have some idiots in here

 

[DrM]

Sooo, what the hell happened with Alonso? Any explanation for his horrible performance?

Felipe was faster. This is the reason

 

[Omiee]

"Finally Sebastian, a few words in German"

I've never seen this part of the drivers conference before.

where are you watching this?

 

[Psychotext]

where are you watching this?

It was on the BBC website.

 

[Shinobi]

"Imma fuck you up when you try and lap me 3 times tomorrow!"

lol

 

[Omiee]

It was on the BBC website.

i guess ill have to read about it on the f1 site.

 

[brotkasten]

Felipe was faster. This is the reason

Yeah, that's the suspicious part ...

 

[Ponti]

Sooo, what the hell happened with Alonso? Any explanation for his horrible performance?

Traffic I'm guessing.

 

[Xun]

Yeah, that's the suspicious part ...

Well Felipe stayed cool this time around.

I'm ashamed there's even a discussion going on about this..

Agreed.

 

[Omiee]

Sebastian Vettel took his first pole position since June’s European race on Saturday in Belgium, beating the McLaren of Lewis Hamilton and Red Bull team mate Mark Webber at Spa-Francorchamps.

Ferrari’s Felipe Massa was fourth, ahead of Mercedes’ Nico Rosberg and Toro Rosso’s Jaime Alguersuari. Renault’s Bruno Senna will start seventh. Full results......»

From the f1 site.

Vettel had pole in Hungary.

 

[Shinobi]

This is really not Alonso's track. Man, does he suck at it.

Meanwhile Kimi's won at Spa four times. Just saying.

 

[SunhiLegend]

Can't believe Alonso was only able to manage 8th. Should be fun tomorrow. Awesome laps for Senna and Alguersuari.

I think Brundle made the point that Mclaren told Button to pit and Button asked many times are you sure before pitting. Not sure why they pitted him early, I guess they thought he was safe, shame to see him in 13th especially in these conditions.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Meanwhile Kimi's won at Spa four times. Just saying.

Kimi instead of Massa for next year!

 

[anonnumber6]

Meanwhile Kimi's won at Spa four times. Just saying.

Even in that dog of car in 2009.

 

[SunhiLegend]

Kimi instead of Massa for next year!

I was so hoping when Alonso was being linked to Ferrari that he would replace Massa. No disrepect to Massa but Kimi and Alonso on the same team would have been awesome, no doubt Kimi would have been fighting for victories.

 

[Psychotext]

I think Brundle made the point that Mclaren told Button to pit and Button asked many times are you sure before pitting. Not sure why they pitted him early, I guess they thought he was save, shame to see him in 13th especially in these conditions.

He'll be hoping for some rain tomorrow no doubt, though apparently it's unlikely.

 

[seattle6418]

Yes!!! screw the haters, Senna actually did good. It was very funny watching in the brazilian TV, even the commentators were a bit surprised.

I didn´t expected Q3, hopefully he can score some points tomorrow.

Also, good for Massa to have a regular qualify without any major issues.

About the incident, they both look boneheads to me. Hamilton was going in for Eau Rouge, but since qualify was over, he didn´t needed any racing line. He should know Maldonado was side by side with him. Both drivers were fighting each other, dealwithit.gif

They will both get grid penalties.

 

[Ark]

I was so hoping when Alonso was being linked to Ferrari that he would replace Massa. No disrepect to Massa but Kimi and Alonso on the same team would have been awesome, no doubt Kimi would have been fighting for victories.

You and anon having insanely similar avatars is messing with my brain.

 

[Darth Sonik]

I have been critical of Hamilton earlier in the season, but there was no way that was his fault.

He was following the curve of the track, and Pastor had prematurely straightened up on a very tight line. I don't think the contact was deliberate, but it was dangerous & reckless.

 

[Shinobi]

Kimi instead of Massa for next year!

Should've been that to start with...Massa's near death experience meant it was never an option, as Ferrari would've looked poor firing someone laid up with a welt in his head. Doubt it'll happen now.

Oh, LOL @ saying Spa's better without Kimi...most of the most epic moments at this race in the last decade was created by him (the wet lap duel on slicks with Hammy is one that stands out), and he won two of these races from 6th and 10th. Nobody ran the Spa streets like Kimi did.

 

[brotkasten]

Massa needs to win tomorrow, Senna should be second.

 

[PedroPanache]

I don't think Lewis is entirely blameless, both cars made needless direction changes and I certainly don't think this is just a case of Lewis quietly minding his business as Maldonado turns into him and takes a chunk out of his car.

 

[Osiris]

There's no chance Kimi will come back to F1 now, even if he wanted to, he's doomed to looking in from outside wishing he could get a drive again, a bit like Jacques Villeneuve after his hiatus that became retirement.

 

[Shinobi]

Even in that dog of car in 2009.

Yeah, his last F1 win at that. Also don't forget Kimi was the first non-Ferrari driver to bag a win in that ridiculous 2004 season at Spa (when Schumacher won 74 of the opening 75 races or whatever, with Rubes picking up the other one). McLaren had been a disaser realiability wise that year, yet Kimi was able to hold Schuey off for the win. Probably his best career win ever behind Suzuka '05.

As some of you can tell, I'm not over Raikkonen yet...just gimme some time.

 

[Betta Lines]

Because Hamilton would be expecting Maldonado to not turn right (where the racing line is) on an in-lap? They shouldn't have been anywhere near each other.

Let's be clear, there is no doubt that Maldonado was in the wrong - he drifted across to the left, and should be disqualified at the very least, maybe fined or even banned from the next race.

But I want to see Hamilton's on-board. It appeared that Hamilton was trying to provoke a reaction from Maldonado by slowing up quite significantly after the hairpin, and then quite obviously twitching right as Maldonado went to pass him. Then further down the road, the Williams definitely moved across him. But I want to see how much Lewis moved across to the right (if at all) just before the point of impact. I didn't see any sign of him taking avoiding action, suggesting that he allowed Maldonado to make the contact. There was at least a car-width of track on the left that Hamilton could have moved into if he really wanted to avoid the Williams' insane move.

I'm not saying that Lewis should take any of the blame for what was sheer stupidity from Pastor, it's just an interesting look into Lewis' psyche.

 

[avaya]

Yeah, his last F1 win at that. Also don't forget Kimi was the first non-Ferrari driver to bag a win in that ridiculous 2004 season at Spa (when Schumacher won 74 of the opening 75 races or whatever, with Rubes picking up the other one). McLaren had been a disaser realiability wise that year, yet Kimi was able to hold Schuey off for the win. Probably his best career win ever behind Suzuka '05.

As some of you can tell, I'm not over Raikkonen yet...just gimme some time.

Trulli won at Monaco before Kimi won at Spa in 2004.

 

[SunhiLegend]

There's no chance Kimi will come back to F1 now, even if he wanted to, he's doomed to looking in from outside wishing he could get a drive again, a bit like Jacques Villeneuve after his hiatus that became retirement.

Man I miss Raikkonen in F1, he was an idiot to leave in the first place. He was one of the fastest drivers and could have easily gotten a drive somewhere else, Renault for instance. Now it does look like his never coming back.

 

[PedroPanache]

Let's be clear, there is no doubt that Maldonado was in the wrong - he drifted across to the left, and should be disqualified at the very least, maybe fined or even banned from the next race.

But I want to see Hamilton's on-board. It appeared that Hamilton was trying to provoke a reaction from Maldonado by slowing up quite significantly after the hairpin, and then quite obviously twitching right as Maldonado went to pass him. Then further down the road, the Williams definitely moved across him. But I want to see how much Lewis moved across to the right (if at all) just before the point of impact. I didn't see any sign of him taking avoiding action, suggesting that he allowed Maldonado to make the contact. There was at least a car-width of track on the left that Hamilton could have moved into if he really wanted to avoid the Williams' insane move.

I'm not saying that Lewis should take any of the blame for what was sheer stupidity from Pastor, it's just an interesting look into Lewis' psyche.

I'd also like to see whether it's a case of Lewis slowing down to engage Maldonado or whether Maldonado made a point of catching up a slow Lewis who was maintaining his speed. If it's the latter then you interpret Lewis' initial direction change as a back-off move which obviously didn't go down well with Moldonado. Either way, I'd love to see this one with all the camera angles that the stewards have at their disposal. Hopefully we'll get to see the two on-board cameras.

 

[Dilly]

I'd have no idea why Hamilton would want to crash Maldonado.

He overtook him when both drivers were on a quick lap in a chicane, which is quite painful if you're the one being overtaken and Hamilton had quick pace during Q2.

He already 'humiliated' Pastor, why would he drive against Maldonado and risk damaging his own car when Pastor came by? Why would Lewis even give a shit about a Williams at the back of the grid which he's going to double 25 times tomorrow?

Maldonado wanted to be a though guy and intimidate Hamilton, and it ended badly. People driving multimillion dollar vehicles should be able to control that sort of behaviour.

 

[brotkasten]

I don't follow the GP2 series, but it looks fun. :lol Rain at Spa <3

 

[Saiyar]

Maldanado and Hamilton have both been summoned by the Stewards.

 

[S. L.]

when Vettel wins this WDC he should be awarded with some sort of golden finger trophy, that would be glorious

 

[calder]

I was up early this morning and nothing was on so i watched a bit of the qualifying. Damn does F1 have some great HD cameras, the super slomo stuff was awesome enough to make watching worthwhile. And the sound as always made me hug my AVR, F1 is one of a handful of sports where the sound is just as important as the video.


But yeah that one guy who hit the guy on purpose... I got the impression on the first replay that the guy who got hit provoked it a tiny little bit. Just a feeling a total non-fan got with no context.

 

[Betta Lines]

I'd have no idea why Hamilton would want to crash Maldonado.

He overtook him when both drivers were on a quick lap in a chicane, which is quite painful if you're the one being overtaken and Hamilton had quick pace during Q2.

He already 'humiliated' Pastor, why would he drive against Maldonado and risk damaging his own car when Pastor came by? Why would Lewis even give a shit about a Williams at the back of the grid which he's going to double 25 times tomorrow?

Maldonado wanted to be a though guy and intimidate Hamilton, and it ended badly. People driving multimillion dollar vehicles should be able to control that sort of behaviour.

It appeared to me as if Hamilton initiated the intimidating, by making that twitch. The only reasoning as to why Hamilton would then allow Maldonado to hit him would be because he thought that a) he would not suffer terminal damage and b) he could get Pastor into trouble.

 

[Momo]

I don't think Lewis is entirely blameless, both cars made needless direction changes and I certainly don't think this is just a case of Lewis quietly minding his business as Maldonado turns into him and takes a chunk out of his car.

+1

In actual fact, I think Hamilton was being more of a dick than his usual self.

Good news though, so proud of Senna, I can't wait to see what he does in the GP!

 

[seattle6418]

I'd also like to see whether it's a case of Lewis slowing down to engage Maldonado or whether Maldonado made a point of catching up a slow Lewis who was maintaining his speed. If it's the latter then you interpret Lewis' initial direction change as a back-off move which obviously didn't go down well with Moldonado. Either way, I'd love to see this one with all the camera angles that the stewards have at their disposal. Hopefully we'll get to see the two on-board cameras.

Exactly, i would also like to see from different angles, but it was clear that Hamilton was enticing Maldonado, who made a dumb move to respond. Both drivers were aware of eachother, so it´s no surprise to me that both were called up by the stewards to discuss the issue.

 

[PedroPanache]

I suppose the Lewis twitch could be that he didn't expect him to pull alongside him so corrected quickly, at least if I was Lewis that'd be my story. Telemetry could be a factor in Lewis getting any kind of penalty as if he backed off significantly then it wouldn't surprise me if he got a 5-10 place grid drop. My gut feeling is, after viewing the BBC footage a few more times, that Lewis should be ok. He can reasonably explain his actions outside of the telemetry showing him deliberately slowing down to impede Maldonado.

 

[SunhiLegend]

 

[PdotMichael]

both are idiots

qed