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[33-Hit-Combo]

From that angle it looks like they were both being idiots...

Edit: lol

 

[Juicy Bob]

We need to see the onboard from Maldonado and Hamilton. Why FOM didn't show us these immediately is beyond me.

Spoiler

It isn't really

 

[Betta Lines]

Yep, that's the angle I was talking about.

We definitely need to see both on-board cams to see the steering inputs.

I'm ashamed there's even a discussion going on about this..

After a year lurking and this year posting in F1-GAF I've learned to not be surprised by any of the reactions on here.

Yeah, I'm wanting to post less in F1 Gaf now because, frankly, we have some idiots in here

Agreed.

I'm ashamed so many people think there shouldn't be a discussion going on about this.

 

[Saiyar]

They have left the Stewards room. Hamilton is supposedly "fuming".

 

[John_B]

The camera angle is stupid. If you follow the grid spots on the track you can see Maldonado is going across while Hamilton maintain his line.

 

[SunhiLegend]

We don't have the full story but it seemed like Hamilton moved across a little to maybe intimidate Maldonado, and like an idiot Maldonado drove towards Hamilton in response and they unfortunately touched. Also the camera angle indeed doesn't show how much Maldonado moved across.

 

[DrM]

No penalties yet, but FIA asked for telemetry for both cars.

 

[Shaneus]

Fuck, come back from a few beers and miss a few pages worth of stuff. Anyone give enough of a shit to do a rundown of events? I already know the starting positions, but it sounds like a LOT more went on.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

I'm ashamed so many people think there shouldn't be a discussion going on about this.

If people don't discuss this, what will they talk about? right?!

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

They have left the Stewards room. Hamilton is supposedly "fuming".

i hope he gets a penalty

 

[Betta Lines]

The camera angle is stupid. If you follow the grid spots on the track you can see Maldonado is going across while Hamilton maintain his line.

I don't think anyone is disputing that Maldonado goes across. I'm just interested in what Hamilton did. From what I can see, he provoked, and then at the very least held a line that he knew would allow the Williams to hit him.

I want to see his reaction to the Williams moving left, whether that was holding the line, moving slightly right, or trying to take any kind of avoiding move left (as there was plenty of space on the left).

 

[Momo]

Fuck, come back from a few beers and miss a few pages worth of stuff. Anyone give enough of a shit to do a rundown of events? I already know the starting positions, but it sounds like a LOT more went on.

Hamilton overtakes Maldonado at the last chicane on a hot lap. They meet again at the first corner and decide to rain down massive assholery on each other.

Also 4 people are being investigated post race for possibly speeding under yellow flags

 

[SunhiLegend]

They have left the Stewards room. Hamilton is supposedly "fuming".

Where are you getting all the latest information.

 

[PdotMichael]

Here is a better video of the accident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXwFwm1s6MM

 

[Sleeplessnights]

I was so hoping when Alonso was being linked to Ferrari that he would replace Massa. No disrepect to Massa but Kimi and Alonso on the same team would have been awesome, no doubt Kimi would have been fighting for victories.

We need Iceman back in F1, his Spa moments were glorious!

 

[Omiee]

Hamilton overtakes Maldonado at the last chicane on a hot lap. They meet again at the first corner and decide to rain down massive assholery on each other.

Also 4 people are being investigated post race for possibly speeding under yellow flags

4 people? who?

 

[Momo]

Here is a better video of the accident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXwFwm1s6MM

Saw this on planet F1, rear view clearly shows Pastor being a douche, front view shows Lewis being a douche.

 

[Saiyar]

4 people? who?

I will let you guess who one of them is.

Where are you getting all the latest information.

#F1 Twitter.

 

[Shaneus]

Hamilton overtakes Maldonado at the last chicane on a hot lap. They meet again at the first corner and decide to rain down massive assholery on each other.

Also 4 people are being investigated post race for possibly speeding under yellow flags

Awesome. Thanks!

I noticed a brief amount of talk that Webber looked certain for pole. Why was that?

 

[Momo]

4 people? who?

Hamilton, Button and two others, the article on PF1 was updated, I cant find it anymore D:

Awesome. Thanks!

I noticed a brief amount of talk that Webber looked certain for pole. Why was that?

He was blitzing the rest of the guys on a track getting better all the time, unfortunately he made a mistake on the last lap + had traffic.

 

[S. L.]

Awesome. Thanks!

I noticed a brief amount of talk that Webber looked certain for pole. Why was that?

Webber is usually pretty solid for quali in these semi dry/wet conditions. plus he looked good in FP?

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Where are you getting all the latest information.

This is a pretty good account to follow http://twitter.com/#!/Formula1_com

 

[SunhiLegend]

I was sure Webber was going to get pole after that lap where he was over a second faster than anyone else, but with changeable conditions lap times got quicker and quicker over time.

 

[Omiee]

#F1 Lewis Hamilton has been cleared by the FIA while Pastor Maldonado receives a 5 place grid penalty

good

 

[Shaneus]

He was blitzing the rest of the guys on a track getting better all the time, unfortunately he made a mistake on the last lap + had traffic.

Last lap in Q3? Sounds like that with traffic and that mistake, maybe he was lucky to get third. Must've been gunning it the rest of the lap to qualify as high as third.

Webber is usually pretty solid for quali in these semi dry/wet conditions. plus he looked good in FP?

Are you asking me? I know his times were decent in practise, but I wasn't sure if that was what the posters were referring to.


Anyway, back to business. People are expecting an exciting start with Vettel and Hammy... this isn't the first time this year we've seen them on the front row together, is it?

Well, I'm crossing my fingers that Webber will finally get a good start and not drop back any positions. With any luck Vettel will squeeze Hamilton to the outside of the first corner to swap positions with Webber. Or they take each other out... either way, I'm cool.

 

[Saiyar]

5 place penalty for Maldonado
Reprimand for Hamilton.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

I'm really sorry I missed qualifying. Good job on Senna to immediately respond to the critics. No idea if Heidfeld could've done a better job or not, but he beat his teammate and that's the first thing he needs to be doing. That Hamilton incident is crazy, but it definitely doesn't seem like either driver is entirely to blame. It'll be interesting to see how the stewards find it.

 

[AndyD]

Jenson looks close to tears. Poor guy.

I am sad for him. You could tell he wanted to scream.

 

[Dead Man]

good

That's all? He should be DQ'd from the race, this is not NASCR.

 

[Omiee]

I'm really sorry I missed qualifying. Good job on Senna to immediately respond to the critics. No idea if Heidfeld could've done a better job or not, but he beat his teammate and that's the first thing he needs to be doing. That Hamilton incident is crazy, but it definitely doesn't seem like either driver is entirely to blame. It'll be interesting to see how the stewards find it.

#F1 Lewis Hamilton has been cleared by the FIA while Pastor Maldonado receives a 5 place grid penalty

I think hamilton should have gotten a warning or what ever, because he wasent entirely in the clear.

 

[Saiyar]

I think hamilton should have gotten a warning or what ever, because he wasent entirely in the clear.

He was given a reprimand, his second of the season. One more and he gets a 5 place penatly at the next race.

 

[Betta Lines]

That's all? He should be DQ'd from the race, this is not NASCR.

Yeah he's got off very lightly there, suggesting that the stewards thought Lewis was being more than a little naughty too.

 

[Omiee]

He was given a reprimand, his second of the season. One more and he gets a 5 place penatly at the next race.

Well we all know thats going to happen before the season ends.

 

[AndyD]

Well we all know thats going to happen before the season ends.

Hehe, depending on the weather, it might happen tomorrow. If we get mixed conditions, it's almost guaranteed I think. I hope we do, for Button's and Michael's sakes. It woudl make the race infinitely more entertaining to see them fight their way up.

 

[Leunam]

God damn, best qualifying of the season? Maybe.

 

[Shaneus]

What was the story with Button?

 

[Saiyar]

What was the story with Button?

Team told him he was safe and could pit early, then the track dried up.

 

[Shaneus]

Team told him he was safe and could pit early, then Track dried up.

Cheers!

God damn, best qualifying of the season? Maybe.

Noooo.... well, guess I have to hope that someone uploads it to Usenet before the race tomorrow. Think I want to watch it now.

 

[Leunam]

Think I want to watch it now.

Aww that's a shame. Definitely watch it if you get a chance.

 

[Shaneus]

Aww that's a shame. Definitely watch it if you get a chance.

It's up! Will watch in the morning for sure.

 

[SCHUEY F1]

I'm on Hamiltons side on that incident for sure. Glad Moldonado got a penalty.

 

[navanman]

Some interesting stuff on Twitter with comments from Pat Fry at Ferrari saying he has seen plenty of cars in parc ferme with blistered tyres.

Hamilton did 4 laps.
Webber & Vettel did 5 laps.

 

[Psychotext]

They'll probably get the old scraper on them when they're out on the grid.

 

[DrM]

Some interesting stuff on Twitter with comments from Pat Fry at Ferrari saying he has seen plenty of cars in parc ferme with blistered tyres.

Hamilton did 4 laps.
Webber & Vettel did 5 laps.

I read 'some' not 'plenty'
Also, if i recall this correctly, blisters appear when tire suddenly lost working temperature - gets cold. Tarmac was quite cold today at Spa, with some wet spots off racing line and So this is quite normal and if blisters are not severe, they tend to disappear after tire is reheated.

 

[Omiee]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHG3rPl5UM&feature=youtu.be

onboard hamiltons car

 

[Igo]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHG3rPl5UM&feature=youtu.be

onboard hamiltons car

Lewis got a reprimand for this! :lol

 

[magnificent83]

Lewis got a reprimand for this! :lol

Probably explains why he was fuming

 

[Juicy Bob]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHG3rPl5UM&feature=youtu.be

onboard hamiltons car

I'm sorry, but that right there makes the Stewards decision look absolutely pathetic. That is shameful and very dangerous behaviour from Maldonado and he deserves a far heavier penalty than a simple 5 place grid drop.

To put things in perspective, you used to get a 10 place grid drop for changing you engine a few seasons back.

 

[Leunam]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHG3rPl5UM&feature=youtu.be

onboard hamiltons car

Holy shit.

 

[Salacious Crumb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8hHG3rPl5UM&feature=youtu.be

onboard hamiltons car

Lewis holds a constant line and Maldonado flys up from behind and cuts across his line.

100% Maldonado's fault.