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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Leunam

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Tucked away in the forests of Belgium lies the Circuit de Spa-Francorchamps. Here to welcome drivers back to the second half of the 2011 season, there is no better track suited for whipping drivers back into shape. Having already experienced the notorious weather here this weekend during practice and qualifying, the drivers still need to contend with one of the most challenging tracks of the calendar. Despite heavy modifications over the course of its history, Spa remains a fearsome track, a stark contrast to some of the newer and less exciting circuits.

2010 Race Summary

The race started with Mark Webber allowing the engine revs to drop too low, causing his RB6 to default to the anti-stall setting and resulting in a poor getaway that demoted him to sixth. At the same time Felipe Massa started slightly ahead of his grid slot, with his error going unpunished. Lewis Hamilton took the lead with Robert Kubica second, but Kubica's grip on the position relaxed quickly as Jenson Button and Sebastian Vettel passed him. Although the early stages of the lap were clean, the end was considerably less so, with almost every driver in the top ten overshooting the braking zone for the Bus Stop chicane. Fernando Alonso was the only driver to hold on long enough to make the corner, but found himself on the receiving end of an out-of-control Rubens Barrichello, the Brazilian's 300th Grand Prix start ending there and then. Alonso was lucky enough to escape with minor damage, and quickly pitted to change onto wet tyres in anticipation of heavy rain.

The forecasted weather, however, never eventuated save for a few minor spots around the circuit in the early laps. Perhaps learning from the early stages in China, the majority of the field stayed out, predicting that the rain would end almost immediately. Those who were on intermediate or wet tyres were forced to pit again; Alonso was the big loser as he stayed out the longest and his subsequent pit stop shuffled him back down the order. This foreshadowed the rest of his afternoon as he would struggle to find his way through the field.

Bruno Senna was the second retirement of the afternoon, his Hispania F110 returning to the pits and staying there with a mechanical fault. His retirement was overshadowed by that of Jenson Button at the hands of Sebastian Vettel; on the approach to the Bus Stop, the Red Bull driver was spotted weaving aggressively behind the 2009 World Champion. He ran too deep into the corner and lost control, effectively throwing himself into a spin whilst still travelling in a straight line. In a collision similar to his collision with Webber in Istanbul, Vettel's inevitable trajectory saw him make contact with Button. Vettel was able to pit almost immediately, but the damage to Button's McLaren was catastrophic, destroying his sidepod, and with it his radiator. Vettel was subsequently handed a drive-through penalty – his second in as many races – for causing an avoidable accident. Button's retirement and Vettel's double pit stop promoted Robert Kubica back to second and a recovering Mark Webber up to third.

Whatever hopes Kubica might have had of reeling in Hamilton at the restart were quashed as the McLaren driver opened up a sizeable gap within minutes of the restart, and the race order quickly established itself. Further down the field, Ferrari's hopes rested on Felipe Massa as he battled with the Force India of Adrian Sutil. However, the biggest winners of the race were the Mercedes drivers and Vitaly Petrov. Despite their penalties and qualifying accidents respectively, Schumacher, Rosberg and Petrov spent the entire race from the restart running in the points. Others were not so lucky; Nico Hülkenberg made an unscheduled stop with a clutch problem, whilst several drivers explored the gravel traps around the circuit. Meanwhile, Vettel undid his dash through the field when he made contact with Vitantonio Liuzzi – again at the Bus Stop chicane – and developed a slow puncture. Where Liuzzi was able to pit straight away, Vettel was forced to limp around the circuit for the majority of a lap before having his delaminated tyre replaced.

The unpredictable Belgian weather reared its head once more towards the end of the race, with teams trying to balance the need to pit against the predicted rain; if they pitted too early, they risked wasting a pit stop, but if they stayed out on the circuit for too long, their tyres would eventually lose all grip. This strategy played into the hands of the Mercedes drivers, who elected to stay out as long as possible and thus preserve sixth and seventh place when the expected downpour arrived in spectacular fashion. The back half of the circuit was inundated within minutes, with the tricky conditions catching leader Lewis Hamilton out as he slid off the edge of the circuit at Rivage, brushing the outer wall with his left-front wheel; Pedro de la Rosa would have a similar experience several laps later at Stavelot. Fernando Alonso was the fourth and final retirement, making an uncharacteristic mistake as he exited the Les Combes-Malmedy complex. Alonso ran wide and strayed onto the artificial grass strip lining the outside of the corner where he lost all grip and spun into the wall, his Ferrari coming to rest perpendicular to the circuit and triggering the second safety car.

The final chapter of the race came with a twist as the race leaders pitted for wet tyres. Despite his off-track excursion, Hamilton was able to pit cleanly; the second-placed Kubica was less fortunate. Overshooting his pit box, the Renault mechanics were forced to scramble to realign themselves with Kubica's position and lost second place to Webber. The three drivers would remain in that order as they crossed the finish line. Massa finished fourth, ahead of Sutil and the Mercedes of Rosberg and Schumacher, who had a late position swap at Les Combes. Kamui Kobayashi claimed eighth ahead of Petrov, with Jaime Alguersuari taking the tenth and final points-scoring place on offer after de la Rosa's off-track excursion removed him from contention.

The effect of the race result was to stretch the field out even further; with Button and Alonso failing to finish and Vettel failing to score points, Hamilton and Webber were able to build a twenty-point buffer over the other drivers. And while the race result meant Red Bull retained their grip on the World Constructors' Championship lead, Hamilton's victory meant that lead was cut down to a single point. Kubica's podium and Petrov's two-point haul were not enough to claim any ground on Mercedes, whilst Force India further extended their lead over the non-scoring Williams drivers.

Circuit Info
[Click map for onboard lap]

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Laps
44​
Circuit length
7.004 km (4.352 mi)​
Race length
308.052 km (191.410 mi)​
Lap Record
Kimi Räikkönen - McLaren - 2004 - 1:45.108​
Most Wins (Drivers)
Michael Shumacher (6)​
Most Wins (Constructors)
Ferrari (16)​

Changes from 2010

-Turn 8, the open-radius hairpin after Les Combes, has been been made wider and asphalt has replaced the gravel run-off.

GP Facts

-One of the most memorable Belgian Grands Prix was the 1998 race, when a huge 14-car accident occurred on the first lap of the race. Seven cars were unable to take the restart and there was further incident on lap 25 when race leader Michael Schumacher's Ferrari hit David Coulthard's McLaren, losing a wheel and forcing Schumacher to retire after completing most of a lap on three wheels. Through the chaos the Jordans of Damon Hill and Ralf Schumacher emerged to take the team's first victory, as a 1-2 finish.

-Some of the greatest names in motor racing have been multiple winners of the Belgian Grand Prix. Seven-times world champion Michael Schumacher has won the race six times; triple champion Ayrton Senna won it five times; double champion Jim Clark was unbeaten from 1962-1965, while 2007 world champion Kimi Räikkönen also won four times. 1996 world champion Damon Hill won three times, as did five-time champion Juan-Manuel Fangio.
No Belgian has ever won the race.

-The race, in fact, pre-dates the FIA Formula One World Championship, with the first Belgian GP held in 1925, at Spa-Francorchamps, and a further 10 held before 1950.

Videos Highlighting the Belgian GP

2008 duel between Lewis Hamilton and Kimi Räikkönen.

Speed comparison between F1 and GT cars at Eau Rouge provided by mclaren777

Highlights and review from the 1970 Belgian GP.

1962 Belgian GP part 1 and part 2.

2000 duel between Mika Hakkinen and Michael Schumacher. Onboard with Hakkinen.

Opening lap of the 1998 Belgian GP.

Previous Winners

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Drivers Championship
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Constructors Championship
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Fantasy League Championship
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Classic Spa Picture from Edmond Dantès
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Leunam

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lol, actually, it was at the bottom of the last page but I got the top of this page by responding to what Omiee posted. I just switched the content. >_>
 

mblitek

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Crap, I slept in! I'll upload Quali build up & Qualifying then FP3 because FP3 isn't in x264.

I can't look at anything in this thread yet either!
 

Dibbz

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Hamilton gonna Hamilton. Yeah Maldonado fucked up here but Hamilton just plain doesn't give a fuck about anyone else on the track. I hope someone rams him off the track tomorrow.
 

Salacious Crumb

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Dibbz said:
Hamilton gonna Hamilton. Yeah Maldonado fucked up here but Hamilton just plain doesn't give a fuck about anyone else on the track. I hope someone rams him off the track tomorrow.

Maldonado was BEHIND him, if Hamilton sticks to the racing line it's 100% Madanodo's responsibility to not hit him.
 

Dibbz

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Salacious Crumb said:
Maldonado was BEHIND him, if Hamilton sticks to the racing line it's 100% Madanodo's responsibility to not hit him.
I'm on about the incident where Hamilton threw his car inside on the last turn and used Maldonado to get around. Guy just plain has no respect for any other driver out there.
 

Salacious Crumb

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Dibbz said:
I'm on about the incident where Hamilton threw his car inside on the last turn and used Maldonado to get around. Guy just plain has no respect for any other driver out there.

I'm sure any driver on the grid would've done the same to ensure they get into Q3.
 
Dibbz said:
I'm on about the incident where Hamilton threw his car inside on the last turn and used Maldonado to get around. Guy just plain has no respect for any other driver out there.
Had the right to do so in the situation, and there was no contact between the two. Maldonado, iirc, also completely missed the apex of the last corner, so the door was left wide open, and it's even possible that Hamilton thought he was purposefully yielding as a result.

So what's the issue?
 

Quote

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"And if you no longer go for a gap that exists, you are no longer a racing driver because we are competing, competing to win."

Yup, I went there.
 

Ark

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Omiee said:

In retrospect, that's incredibly shit form from the stewards to reprimand him for doing absolutely nothing.

FIA are such a shambles.

Dibbz said:
I'm on about the incident where Hamilton threw his car inside on the last turn and used Maldonado to get around. Guy just plain has no respect for any other driver out there.

Oh cmon now, this is just downright silly. We have seen almost every single driver on the grid push past someone, sometimes even more aggressive than today, to get a qualy lap in. All of a sudden when Hamilton does so, he becomes some sort of pro-Nazi supporter?

Maldonado had screwed up his lap, he was going slowly and Hamilton had the inside line for the second part of the chicane. It was perfectly legal.
 

Lucius86

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Pazuzu9 said:
I'm ashamed so many people think there shouldn't be a discussion going on about this.

Unfortunately this thread recently has not had discussions - it's turned into petty squabbles all the time. I used to love this thread. Now I don't. Sorry.

Either way, I think Hamilton was in the clear on this, I am glad he did get a little telling off though as he definitely didn't make things avoidable. But Maldonado got off lightly personally.

Bring on the race!
 

Ark

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Lucius86 said:
Unfortunately this thread recently has not had discussions - it's turned into petty squabbles all the time. I used to love this thread. Now I don't. Sorry.

Either way, I think Hamilton was in the clear on this, I am glad he did get a little telling off though as he definitely didn't make things avoidable. But Maldonado got off lightly personally.

Bring on the race!

I thought that initially, but after seeing the on-board there was plenty of space for Maldonado. But there you go.
 

DrM

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Mild penalty for Maldonado could be explained - telemetry probably showed that he lost control of his car and went left into Lewis. Otherwise he would smash into barriers.

Lewis twitching right before Maldonado passed him was probably due to wheelspin during acceleration down to Eau Rouge.
 

Momo

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Ark said:
I thought that initially, but after seeing the on-board there was plenty of space for Maldonado. But there you go.
Judging from how different the rear and front video are, I wouldn't be surprised if on board from Pastor shows something totally different.
 

Dibbz

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rogue_pigeon said:
Had the right to do so in the situation, and there was no contact between the two. Maldonado, iirc, also completely missed the apex of the last corner, so the door was left wide open, and it's even possible that Hamilton thought he was purposefully yielding as a result.

So what's the issue?
No he doesn't have the right to barge other drivers off the road just so he can get a lap in. The guy who is overtaking has the responsibility to get by without incident. He touched Maldonado and sent him wide.

Ark I'm not just picking on Hamilton. If anyone else done that I'd say the same thing.

It doesn't help Hamilton's case that he done the exact same thing in Monaco to Maldonado then came out and blamed him for it. Hamilton is so so damn daft.
 
Dibbz said:
No he doesn't have the right to barge other drivers off the road just so he can get a lap in. The guy who is overtaking has the responsibility to get by without incident. He touched Maldonado and sent him wide.

1) He did not barge him. Maldonado himself claims there was no contact and that it was a fair move.

2) Watch a bloody replay, Maldonado is well off line.
 

Omiee

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Sure hamilton was in the wrong at the last of Q2, but come on now remember that these are competitive people. They dont like to lose and he did not want to risk not getting in to Q3.
Although i think even if he slowed down a little he would still have made Q3.

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Leunam said:
lol, actually, it was at the bottom of the last page but I got the top of this page by responding to what Omiee posted. I just switched the content. >_>

This guy should get a tag that is F1 related. Your pre race posts are awesome.
 
Lewis barging past? That's absurd. Lewis was much, much quicker and Maldonado had clearly backed off of Rubens, so was going rather slowly. Look at the line Ruben's takes in the corner just before and then look at Maldonado's, he had clearly backed off and Lewis went for the rather large gap that Maldonado had left. The minimal contact occurred when Maldonado turned in on the corner not expecting anyone to be there. There is simply no parallel to be drawn with the Monaco incident, which was 100% Hamilton's fault.
 

Xun

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The Killer Years was on again tonight, only caught the end of it with the death of Roger Williamson.

I've yet to watch it all, but his death near the end very nearly had me in tears. Purley trying to save his life but unable to... goddamn.
 
Sleeplessnights said:
I can't wait for the race tomorrow!

I really hope Bruno gets a good result, I want to be wrong.
While I'd love to see Senna on the podium, I hope for Heidfeld that he makes a mistake and DNF the race. I'm not a Heidfeld fan, but the shit that is going on is not acceptable. At least wait for the end of the season, before you kick your driver out.
 
brotkasten said:
While I'd love to see Senna on the podium, I hope for Heidfeld that he makes a mistake and DNF the race. I'd not a Heidfeld fan, but the shit that is going on is not acceptable. At least wait for the end of the season, before you kick your driver out.

I haven't really made my mind about it, at the end of the day I think I would want Heidfeld back in that Renault until the end of the year.
 

Ark

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brotkasten said:
While I'd love to see Senna on the podium, I hope for Heidfeld that he makes a mistake and DNF the race. I'm not a Heidfeld fan, but the shit that is going on is not acceptable. At least wait for the end of the season, before you kick your driver out.

Whilst I feel really bad for Heidfeld, I also think it's about time he left the sport. Sure he's a cool guy and such, but he's had more than enough time to get into a top team and he's always just been 'there'. I'd actually rather see Senna in the car from now on.

Having said that, Senna might just screw over Grojean's chance of getting back in the car.
 

John_B

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The Hamilton haters are in denial when proven wrong.

And please, the situation leading up to the accident was Maldonado pretty much impeeding Hamilton. Had it been a Lotus, Hispania or Virgin car strolling around those last corners like that, then everyone would have agreed the overtake was fair - which it was.

Hamilton will take the crown as the new Spa champion tomorrow with his third win there.
 

dubc35

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I think Pastor is lucky to be racing. He should be at the back behind Schumi IMO, if allowed to race at all. It's unacceptable to be so unprofessional on the track after the session was over. (...and I'm not really a fan of Lewis btw)
 

mblitek

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Poor Jenson, looked like he was going to cry. Di Resta also got the shaft too. Lots of Drama for sure.

Vettel is going to have a lot of work to keep that faster McLaren at bay. Should be a good one!
 
Well that Hamilton onboard is pretty shocking. From the other cameras it looked like Lewis was looking to allow Pastor to hit him, but he actually had his hand off the wheel to gesticulate before the impact. It doesn't seem like Lewis was expecting that at all, and there wasn't really any time to take avoiding action to the left.


So the reprimand that Lewis received must have come from either the initial pass at the chicane (which was totally fine imo), or because of his possible taunting/provoking just before the main incident, which sadly is missing from that onboard clip.
 

Shaneus

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15 minutes into watching the qualifying coverage from BBC (so no actual qualis yet) but it's hard to see how anyone could do things much more professionally. Just amazingly professional to watch... production values are through the fucking roof.

Oh, and that snippet of on-board footage of Webber blasting through Eau Rouge in the wet... zomg.
 
I think the judgment in this case was spot on. Neither driver was absolutely blameless, but I think it's fair to say that Maldonado ends up looking a bit more guilty. Hamilton was quite stupid at the chicane. If it were during the race proper going for a gap like that would be fine, but when you're not really taking position on a qualifying lap that's going too far. Traffic happens during qualifying, and it's something that everyone contends with, but being unlucky in traffic isn't an excuse for nearly putting yourself and another driver out of the session. If he didn't touch Maldonado it must've been a matter of millimeters. As for the collision, the inboard shot shows that Hamilton had his hand up to gesture at Maldonado before he had even pulled alongside. That shot starts a bit too late to see what he was doing that caused the car to twitch so much coming out of the hairpin. For Maldonado, I just have to assume he thought Hamilton would be slowing down after a hot lap and moved over to get back in line without checking his mirrors. Ultimately both drivers end up looking kinda dumb in the incident, and it still seems that Hamilton won't learn to control his temper.
 
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