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[Momo]

I think Mercedes are going to be a major wildcard in Monza.

Looking towards Force India for surprise of the weekend, they always seem to click on fast tracks.

 

[Omiee]

Would love to see him on the podium at least once for old time's sake.

I have some great memory's of him racing hakinnen and kimi in monza. If there was ever a chance its now for him to have a podium.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Surprised Kobay got off so easy, too. Really think he should've been pinged for taking out Lewis.

Not really. I think it was a fair move, just racing really. It looked bad, but with Lewis sticking to the racing line it makes it look much worse. With Koba behind he should have yielded, but even so no penalty is the correct decision, even though as a Lewis fan I would love to see some revenge punishment. D:

The issue I have is that in a reversed situation with Lewis coming up around the outside there would definitely have been an investigation and a grid penalty or drive through. Without a doubt Lewis would be punished for the same actions where other drivers wouldn't.

 

[Ark]

That straigh line speed is just insane, he overtook 4 people after eau rouge

That could be put down to Mercedes running less downforce today, so I take today with a slight grain of salt. Although even with full downforce they appear to have the quickest straight line speed.

Would love to see him on the podium at least once for old time's sake.

I hope we see him on the podium by next season at least.

 

[Momo]

I have some great memory's of him racing hakinnen and kimi in monza. If there was ever a chance its now for him to have a podium.

Remember when Hakinnen cried into his helmet and the world trolled him? ._.

 

[Ponti]

The issue I have is that in a reversed situation with Lewis coming up around the outside there would definitely have been an investigation and a grid penalty or drive through. Without a doubt Lewis would be punished for the same actions where other drivers wouldn't.

I want to disagree but I have a sneaking suspicion that you might be right. Some of these decisions around Hamilton have been curious.

 

[Betta Lines]

That could be put down to Mercedes running less downforce today, so I take today with a slight grain of salt. Although even with full downforce they appear to have the quickest straight line speed.

Yah their rear wing looked like a Monza wing today.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

So the general concensus is that people think Hamilton was at fault today?

Having seen it a number of times, I can only conclude that it was Kobayashi's fault. Hamilton was in front, was simply holding a line and Kobayashi had a look around the outside. Hamilton didn't adjust his line and had no reason to as he was ahead, and it was down to Kobayashi to make sure his front wing/wheel did not touch.

I think racing incident is the best that could be said of it. Hamilton was ahead but not fully clear of the Sauber when he cut back onto the line. Kobayashi stuck to his line and didn't try to move, so I'm not sure what more he could've done. They were already at the corner when Hamilton moved, so Koba probably thought he'd turn in from the inside. If Hamilton had just turned in from where he was he would've taken the place and been no worse off for it.

 

[Omiee]

Remember when Hakinnen cried into his helmet and the world trolled him? ._.

It was ups and downs with him.

 

[brotkasten]

What a disappointing race for Alonso and it's yet again Ferrari's fault. How incompetent can a top team be? It's just embarrassing. How soon until Fernando regrets his long-term contract?

 

[Ponti]

Lauda on Hamiltons back again.

"Kobayashi should've braked early, but why should he."

Hmm, I'm getting Monaco flashbacks Lauda when Hamilton didn't brake early either.

 

[Momo]

It was ups and downs with him.

I was never a huge fan of his, was of Kimi's, but my goodness did Mika give it his all. I'm curiously reminded of how Mika Salo failed hard in a Ferrari now xD

 

[Ark]

Lol, Lauda is such a legend.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

Lauda laying the law down.

 

[Momo]

What a disappointing race for Alonso and it's yet again Ferrari's fault. How incompetent can a top team be? It's just embarrassing. How soon until Fernando regrets his long-term contract?

Losing Brawn, Todt and Byrne hasnt been kind to them.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

<3 Lauda

 

[Omiee]

I was never a huge fan of his, was of Kimi's, but my goodness did Mika give it his all. I'm curiously reminded of how Mika Salo failed hard in a Ferrari now xD

I remember him overtaking shumi at spa 2000, i was jumping up and down back than.

 

[avaya]

Losing Brawn, Todt and Byrne hasnt been kind to them.

Yes, they were the greatest team of all time.

 

[PdotMichael]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-x3FtIXcJo

I don't know what Kobayashi has done wrong here

 

[Betta Lines]

I think racing incident is the best that could be said of it. Hamilton was ahead but not fully clear of the Sauber when he cut back onto the line. Kobayashi stuck to his line and didn't try to move, so I'm not sure what more he could've done. They were already at the corner when Hamilton moved, so Koba probably thought he'd turn in from the inside. If Hamilton had just turned in from where he was he would've taken the place and been no worse off for it.

I didn't see Hamilton do any moving. They both held a line. It was a line that meant they would connect, but it was totally up to Kobayashi to avoid that, as he was behind (you can change the direction of a front wheel much faster than a rear wheel).

 

[zomgbbqftw]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-x3FtIXcJo

I don't know what Kobayashi has done wrong here

Not yielding despite there being no chance of an overtake and being well behind. The thing is, he didn't need to which is why there is no need for an investigation.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

lauda talks sense. hamilton took himself out of the race looking at the replays.

 

[Ponti]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-x3FtIXcJo

I don't know what Kobayashi has done wrong here

Not backing out of it.

But no one really expects Kobayashi to back out of it, I wouldn't want him to either, but in this case it would've been the better option. It's a shit corner to try to push around the outside.

 

[Salacious Crumb]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-x3FtIXcJo

I don't know what Kobayashi has done wrong here

He could've braked earlier, or waited to start turning in. Hamilton could've stayed in the centre of the road.

50/50. Racing incident. No penalties. Case closed.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I remember him overtaking shumi at spa 2000, i was jumping up and down back than.

One of the greatest overtakes in F1 history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEUKf83k3L0

 

[Omiee]

Not backing out of it.

But no one really expects Kobayashi to back out of it, I wouldn't want him to either, but in this case it would've been the better option. It's a shit corner to try to push around the outside.

I think vettel did it on alonso, so it could be done.

One of the greatest overtakes in F1 history.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEUKf83k3L0

ah man the memory's, that was such an amazing race. I miss those days =(

 

[Momo]

I remember him overtaking shumi at spa 2000, i was jumping up and down back than.

I kinda miss the Arrows team, Jos The Boss, Salo, Tiger Takagi - they always had drivers than were fun to watch.

Yes, they were the greatest team of all time.

I still say the Adrian Newey designed Williams Renault was the best. It's a pity Senna wasnt alive for that, would have been an absolute romp for him.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-x3FtIXcJo

I don't know what Kobayashi has done wrong here

Absolutely nothing, like I said earlier, it was just a bit of awareness fail.

 

[Ponti]

I think vettel did it on alonso, so it could be done.

Not arguing it can't be done, but a Sauber around the outside of a McLaren at that corner? Not going to happen.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

It's not Kobayashi's duty to ensure that his car is fully behind Hamilton should he come back online. Hamilton moved towards the inside of the track then drifted back left, and collided just before the turn in. I think he just didn't check his mirrors before moving back.

 

[PdotMichael]

He could've braked earlier, or waited to start turning in. Hamilton could've stayed in the centre of the road.

50/50. Racing incident. No penalties. Case closed.

yeah, that is my opinion

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I think vettel did it on alonso, so it could be done.

The RB is faster than the Ferrari, but the Sauber is no where near the McLaren. It was not possible for Koba to go around the outside of Lewis there. He did, however, have every right to try and Hamilton had every right not to yield.

Like everyone has said, it was just a racing incident, but it was shame that Hamilton lost out so much there. He could have won the GP from that position.

 

[Edmond Dantès]

I kinda miss the Arrows team, Jos The Boss, Salo, Tiger Takagi - they always had drivers than were fun to watch.

IIRC, Jos ended up in jail for assaulting his wife.

 

[Omiee]

The RB is faster than the Ferrari, but the Sauber is no where near the McLaren. It was not possible for Koba to go around the outside of Lewis there. He did, however, have every right to try and Hamilton had every right not to yield.

Like everyone has said, it was just a racing incident, but it was shame that Hamilton lost out so much there. He could have won the GP from that position.

Lost valuable points there, no way he has a chance any more. If he won he could have made it interesting this year.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

Lost valuable points there, no way he has a chance any more. If he won he could have made it interesting this year.

Definitely, Vettel has won the WDC now with Lewis out of the running.

 

[Momo]

IIRC, Jos ended up in jail for assaulting his wife.

Say what? D:

Verstappen was married to the Belgian ex-kart driver Sophie Kumpen, with whom he has two children: Max (b. 1997) and Victoria. Max is currently competing in kart racing and has won several cadet championships in the Benelux region. In December 2008, with the couple effectively separated, it was reported that he has appeared in court in Tongeren, Belgium, charged with assaulting her.[7] He was not found guilty of assault, but was found guilty of threatening her in text messages and violating a previous restraining order. He was fined and was sentenced to three months probational suspended jail time.[8]

Verstappen was previously convicted of assault in October 2000 over an incident at a karting track in 1998 in which a man suffered a fractured skull. He and his father were given five-year suspended sentences after reaching an out-of court settlement with the victim.[9]

Holy shit.

 

[CurlySaysX]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A-x3FtIXcJo

I don't know what Kobayashi has done wrong here

Whenever Hamilton is near everyone should just stop racing and let him go through. Simple.
It's clearly Kobayashi's fault for not laying out the red carpet.

 

[brotkasten]

I do feel bad for Hamilton, but it really was just an accident. I'd believe him if he said he didn't see Kobayashi.

 

[Omiee]

I do feel bad for Hamilton, but it really was just an accident. I'd believe him if he said he didn't see Kobayashi.

I would as well, since he clearly dident look in the mirror. He was so focused on the corner that he did not take into account that koba was behind him. He should have taken into consideration that he is not the only aggressive guy in the field. Especially since he has overtaken a lot of guys right after he was overtaken. So he should have known there was a chance koba would want to overtake him back.

 

[Psychotext]

Vettel's HUD in the car failing :lol

Glad I wasn't imagining that. It was totally fucked.

 

[anonnumber6]

Losing Brawn, Todt and Byrne hasnt been kind to them.

It takes time to recover form losing people of that calibre. Byrne dominated the sport in a manner which Newey could only hope to do.

 

[avaya]

I still say the Adrian Newey designed Williams Renault was the best. It's a pity Senna wasnt alive for that, would have been an absolute romp for him. l.

FW14B? Active suspension from the gods, was a great car.

But no I'm not talking just car, the full team from the drivers to the factory to the support staff. Ferrari 2000-2004 were just utterly ridiculous.

 

[PdotMichael]

I do feel bad for Hamilton, but it really was just an accident. I'd believe him if he said he didn't see Kobayashi.

I believe, that it's the biggest difference between Vettel and Hamilton this year.

Last year Vettel was often involved in such things but now he drive like a machine.

 

[zomgbbqftw]

I would as well, since he clearly dident look in the mirror. He was so focused on the corner that he did not take into account that koba was behind him. He should have taken into consideration that he is not the only aggressive guy in the field. Especially since he has overtaken a lot of guys right after he was overtaken. So he should have known there was a chance koba would want to overtake him back.

I think he would have been mindful of a re-overtake if it was a Ferrari, RB or Mercedes behind. I don't think Lewis expected a Sauber to try and take the outside line to overtake since it wouldn't be possible. Koba had the right to try, but really it was a non-starter.

 

[RomanticHeroX]

I don't think Kobayashi was even trying to retake the position, he was just following the line.

 

[avaya]

It takes time to recover form losing people of that calibre. Byrne dominated the sport in a manner which Newey could only hope to do.

What's increasingly evident these days is that Newey is often the quickest with the initial design on limited budgets. However Byrne simply dominated when it was a free for for all contest on big budgets and unlimited testing, which in my opinion is far more difficult to achieve since maintaining an advantage in that environment is almost impossible.

 

[Momo]

It takes time to recover form losing people of that calibre. Byrne dominated the sport in a manner which Newey could only hope to do.

Newey's cars have always been too fragile, in my opinion his designs were faster, but it doesn't mean a whole lot if your car fails to finish. Plus Ferrari has much better and much more innovative support staff. Remember the first time you saw them practice pit stops every session, every time the car came in? I was like .. "What is this ... genius"

FW14B? Active suspension from the gods, was a great car.

But no I'm not talking just car, the full team from the drivers to the factory to the support staff. Ferrari 2000-2004 were just utterly ridiculous.

You will get no argument from me.
So much so that the rules had to be changed in order to hold them back lol

 

[Edmond Dantès]

It takes time to recover form losing people of that calibre. Byrne dominated the sport in a manner which Newey could only hope to do.

They're both geniuses and alongside Colin Chapman and Gordon Murray are the greatest designers in F1's glorious history.

 

[Deadman]

Hearing newey talk about the tyres now it sounds like they were really worried about them failing, rather then just concerned at a few blisters slowing them down.

 

[avaya]

They're both geniuses and alongside Colin Chapman and Gordon Murray are the greatest designers in F1's glorious history.

Indeed.

 

[anonnumber6]

What's increasingly evident these days is that Newey is often the quickest with the initial design on limited budgets. However Byrne simply dominated when it was a free for for all contest on big budgets and unlimited testing, which in my opinion is far more difficult to achieve since maintaining an advantage in that environment is almost impossible.

I agree, McLaren had the budget and the regulatory environment to catch up Ferrari as quickly as they could figure out Byrne's designs. It took until the mid-point of last season for Ferrari and McLaren to show up and this season has just been a lost cause, the ban on mid-season testing is hurting the competition at the top. I doubt I will see a more efficient team in my lifetime than Ferrari between 2000-2004.