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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Ark

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Xun said:
Just a heads up to Brit-GAF, Lewis Hamilton will be on Jonathan Ross's new show tomorrow night on ITV.

Edit: Speaking of Lewis, you guys seen this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DDjRdi5zv-w
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Well, this is new and unexpected.

On that note, has there ever been a black WDC other than Hamilton?

Sleeplessnights said:
I know a lot of people say F1 today is nicer than before, but this is a footage of the 1991 Japanese Grand Prix when Senna let his team mate Gerhard Berger pass to win the race. It was a thank you gesture from Senna to Berger for what did for McLAREN at the time. You don't get nicer than that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a7zp1wACACM&feature=player_detailpage#t=370s
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It's a shame that no one on the grid would do that today.
 
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Septimius

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Omiee said:
I think shumi did it once, he let rubens win if i remember correctly.
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Didn't he create a (near) dead race at Indianapolis in 2004? I don't remember if that was then, but I remember him also allowing Rubens to win once after The Scandalous Event.
 
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Omiee

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Septimius said:
Didn't he create a (near) dead race at Indianapolis in 2004? I don't remember if that was then, but I remember him also allowing Rubens to win once after The Scandalous Event.
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No i think because rubens was forced to let shumi win early in the seaosn because of team orders, so shumi gave him a win at the end of the season.

Ferrari actually got fined because shumi pushed Rubens to the first place spot.
 
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brotkasten

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Juicy Bob said:
Bruno Senna to race for Renault for remainder of 2011
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I still feel bad for Heidfeld. He was never a very good driver and he had his chance in a somewhat competitive BMW, iirc, but I just hate how Boullier handled the situation.
 
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AndyD

aka andydumi
Omiee said:
No i think because rubens was forced to let shumi win early in the seaosn because of team orders, so shumi gave him a win at the end of the season.

Ferrari actually got fined because shumi pushed Rubens to the first place spot.
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Right. It was team orders and they were not allowed.

I imagine if Vettel clenches the championship he would let Webber go through to secure second place if needed.

And I imagine other drivers would do the same, we just have not seen championships clenched early enough in a while.
 
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Omiee

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AndyD said:
Right. It was team orders and they were not allowed.

I imagine if Vettel clenches the championship he would let Webber go through to secure second place if needed.

And I imagine other drivers would do the same, we just have not seen championships clenched early enough in a while.
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I know vettel would want to win every chanse he gets, but if i were him i would let webber win if it was as close as spa. Off course only when he clinches the championship.
 
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Ark

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Omiee said:
I know vettel would want to win every chanse he gets, but if i were him i would let webber win if it was as close as spa. Off course only when he clinches the championship.
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Why? You wouldn't gain anything from it.

It wouldn't have any meaningful reason either :L
 
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Juicy Bob

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I think Vettel would only let Webber through once he'd already clinched the Championship and it was near the end of the race with the pair of them well out in front. Pretty much exact the same situation Senna let Berger through in.
 
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Ark

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Omiee said:
Have him secure 2nd place.
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..So half way through the season you would surrender 1st place to your team mate in equal equipment? Therefore decreasing your championship lead instead of increasing it.

You should think this through :p
 
WorriedCitizen

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I doubt that Vettel would gift Mark a win. In the past that only happend to say thanks to obedient and helpful number 2 drivers. Mark doesn't drive for the purpose of helping Vettel during the season so i don't see a reason for Seb to give something in return.
 
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Omiee

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Ark said:
..So half way through the season you would surrender 1st place to your team mate in equal equipment? Therefore decreasing your championship lead instead of increasing it.

You should think this through :p
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I already said after clinching the championship. If he already has the championship, and there is a situation like spa where webber is in second or what ever. Why wouldn't he let him pass. Webber doesn't have a big lead over hamilton and alonso.


Id give you another situation. Much like hakinnen did once for coulthard. Lets say vettel is in first webber in second and alonso and hamilton in 3rd and 4th, with them being on the better tires and chasing webber and vettel. Going maybe a second faster a lap, but webber has the same tires as alonso and hamilton but vettel doesnt have that advantage. In that situation vettel could let webber go, and hold up alonso and hamilton.
 
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Psychotext

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WorriedCitizen said:
I doubt that Vettel would gift Mark a win. In the past that only happend to say thanks to obedient and helpful number 2 drivers. Mark doesn't drive for the purpose of helping Vettel during the season so i don't see a reason for Seb to give something in return.
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Yup. As much as Mark is the number 2 driver at times, he's not actually the useful sort of number 2 driver. :D
 
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Ark

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Omiee said:
Id give you another situation. Much like hakinnen did once for coulthard. Lets say vettel is in first webber in second and alonso and hamilton in 3rd and 4th, with them being on the better tires and chasing webber and vettel. Going maybe a second faster a lap, but webber has the same tires as alonso and hamilton but vettel doesnt have that advantage. In that situation vettel could let webber go, and hold up alonso and hamilton.
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That would only work at somewhere like Valencia, Abu Dhabi, Monaco, etc.
 
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Omiee

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Ark said:
That would only work at somewhere like Valencia, Abu Dhabi, Monaco, etc.
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Vettel could be this year's petrov to alonso and hamilton. And vettel did pretty good in spain though.
I think vettel is an amazing defensive driver when its needed.
 
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Leunam

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Ark said:
Well, this is new and unexpected.

On that note, has there ever been a black WDC other than Hamilton?
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Nope. In fact, Hamilton is the first black F1 driver. One for the history books for sure.
 
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SunhiLegend

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Leunam said:
Nope. In fact, Hamilton is the first black F1 driver. One for the history books for sure.
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I remember hoping that Hamilton would win the BBC sports personality of the year when he was nominated because he was the first ever black driver to race in F1 and of course he won the WDC.
 
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SCHUEY F1

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Robert Wickens, who is Canadien is currently leading the Formula Renault 3.5 championship. He is also a reserve driver for Virgin. I would love to see a Canadien driver back in F1.
 
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PdotMichael

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brotkasten said:
I wish we had more capable F1 drivers from around the world. Kinda sucks that F1 is mostly an European sport.
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It's a expensive sport, you need just a ball for football. Motorsport is something for the middle/upper class.
 
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f0rk

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brotkasten said:
I wish we had more capable F1 drivers from around the world. Kinda sucks that F1 is mostly an European sport.
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Majority of sports are like this. The USA have their own
inferior
sports that the rest of the world don't care about and the rest of the world is mostly developing countries that are now getting more interested. I'm sure they would like to break into Russia.
 
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RomanticHeroX

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The best F1 drivers almost always come from Europe because Europe has the strongest competition in the world throughout the lower ranks. Talent is enhanced with competition and the best of the best rise to the top. Even Senna had to move to Europe to race before making it into F1.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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RomanticHeroX said:
The best F1 drivers almost always come from Europe because Europe has the strongest competition in the world throughout the lower ranks. Talent is enhanced with competition and the best of the best rise to the top. Even Senna had to move to Europe to race before making it into F1.
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Yes, the European junior series are the proving grounds for young racing drivers, nothing else really compares.
 
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AndyD

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a176 said:
does anyone know the maths for the cut off point for vettel to win the championship?
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Its still a few solid races away. He can eliminate a few people from contention, but him and Webber will still be technically competing for several more races.

01 Sebastian Vettel 259
02 Mark Webber 167
03 Fernando Alonso 157
04 Jenson Button 149
05 Lewis Hamilton 146

We have 7 to go. So 175 points for 5 wins. So Lewis is still in it and everyone above.
 
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Shaneus

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brotkasten said:
I wish we had more capable F1 drivers from around the world. Kinda sucks that F1 is mostly an European sport.
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Webber really seemed to get lucky in that regard. Helped his chances immensely when the owner of Minardi was Australian as well.
 
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mblitek

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I raced 125cc shifter karts until I was 17 and unless you have SUPREME(Schumacher) talent or buckets of money you will not make it. It was particularly frustrating for me as I often finished 5th-10th but I couldn't afford to get my engine rebuilt after every race and when I did it was rebuilt by a racing garage...............owned by my competitor's Dad...funny his Kart was always more powerful. And then tires, pads, the list is endless.
 
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Dead Man

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Shaneus said:
Webber really seemed to get lucky in that regard. Helped his chances immensely when the owner of Minardi was Australian as well.
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Being a family friend of a rich rugby player helped too :)

We really struggled with the budget early in the year. Between Dad and [sponsor] Yellow Pages we bought the car but we simply didn't have the money to run it. At one point, we were so behind on payments that we decided to ask David Campese for help. He played union with Dad for the Queanbeyan Whites, so he knew our family well, and if anyone was going to buy into what I was trying to do, we thought it would be him. In the end, he paid something like £50,000, which was just unbelievable, and it meant that we could keep going.
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Mark Webber on his 1997 season.

Campese will always be okay with me because of this.
 
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Ark

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dubc35 said:
Didn't Webber also move to Europe when he was younger?
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Webber moved to the UK when he would have been like 8 I assume.

Kubica moved to Italy when he was younger too. Italy or the UK are the places to be for the lower formulas afaik.

F1 drivers are genuinely intelligent too, during race weekends Alonso gives interviews in English, Spanish, Italian and French.

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Heh, it's kinda crazy when you realise Webber has literally gone from the very back of the grid to the front.
 
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dubc35

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It's amazing to think about the journey everyone on the grid has made. An infographic or timeline showing physical location and racing series of each driver would be interesting.
 
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Shaneus

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Dead Man said:
Being a family friend of a rich rugby player helped too :)


Mark Webber on his 1997 season.

Campese will always be okay with me because of this.
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Yeah, that is actually pretty awesome. I'm not a rugby guy, but you gotta respect that. Now Mark's probably earning in a year what Campo earned in his entire career!

Edit: Just read this on his first race in Melbourne:
Webber, who had a problem with his launch control at the start, battled with a broken differential to fend off the experienced Mika Salo in a much faster Toyota and finish fifth.
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Poor bastard's been having start problems since day 1.
 
WorriedCitizen

WorriedCitizen

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dubc35 said:
It's amazing to think about the journey everyone on the grid has made. An infographic or timeline showing physical location and racing series of each driver would be interesting.
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Check the drivers wikipedia pages.
 
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