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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Xun

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Edmond Dantès said:
Dieacast models, Tamiya radio controlled cars, evil Maldonado, James Bond; this has to be the best page of this thread. Although, the bird spotting during the Canadian GP was pretty good as well. ;)
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Must see this again.

Anyone got the page? Too lazy to look.
 
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Dilly

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Still hilarious.
 
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Ark said:
That's just all awesome.

Doesn't Webber live somewhere around Wimbledon if I remember rightly?
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I think he has an apartment in Sidney where he stays most of the time. Although I guess he has a number of places around the world.
 
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I'm having the Canadian GP red flag period on as background noise while studying (didn't watch it live and skipped through it on first watch). It's so relaxing. It's just two mates having a casual chat about F1, birds and other random stuff.
 
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Xun

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I'm going to have to download the Canadian race and watch all 5 hours of it.

BBC one of course... if I can find it.
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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I watched the 1990 FIA review last night. I realised I hate watching F1 from that period, especially after Killer Years and Senna. The cars look so fragile and rather than going "WOAH" like I do with modern crashes where I know they'll walk away fine, I'm always shit scared someone is going to die.

Don't think I could've watched the sport back then. It's amazing it took until Senna's death for them to do a big safety movement in the sport.
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
I watched the 1990 FIA review last night. I realised I hate watching F1 from that period, especially after Killer Years and Senna. The cars look so fragile and rather than going "WOAH" like I do with modern crashes where I know they'll walk away fine, I'm always shit scared someone is going to die.

Don't think I could've watched the sport back then. It's amazing it took until Senna's death for them to do a big safety movement in the sport.
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Just wait until you see the hakinnen crash in Adelaide..
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Not sure I want to watch more from the 90s. Did make me feel uncomfortable.
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Somewhat ironic considering a few months ago you were going on about how this year was lacking crashes, which were the most exciting part of F1 :p
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Yes but crashes in modern F1 are exciting because the sport is so safe.
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Rosberg almost killed himself in Monaco, Perez got off lucky and still missed two races and Monaco had to be redflagged again because of Petrov injuring his back.

Massa is lucky to be alive after Hungary '09, Henry Surtee's died from a wheel smashing his head and Button got off SO lucky in Spa with only losing his wing mirror.

Perez also had a part of the Toro Rosso penetrate his survival cell sometime this year, I can't remember which race it was, one of the early European races iirc.

F1 is a super safe sport, but I think going to the extreme of saying crashes make the races interesting when we have so much actual racing this year is too much imo.
 
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Oh man, I forgot about the bird watching in the Canadian GP. I didn't have much time that day so I fast forwarded through the red flag period. I need to go back and watch that!
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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I never said that crashes are the most exciting aspect of racing. I just like it when close racing leads to a twitch or mistake which ends in contact. It's a culmination of great drivers and cars being pushed to the edge. I don't want to just see a car drive flat out in to a wall.

And of course there dangers, but on the whole when someone crashes these days they walk away fine. It means I don't need to be on edge like when I watch old footage.

Anyway, not going to say anymore because lots of people got high and mighty last time claiming I should go watch destruction derby etc instead. Can't be arsed with that again.
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Don't think I could've watched the sport back then. It's amazing it took until Senna's death for them to do a big safety movement in the sport.
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F1 cars in the 1990s were very safe compared to those of other decades; the only major flaw was exposed by Ratzenberger's accident and subsequently resolved by higher sidewalls and HANS (Senna was just unlucky with the angle, nothing you can do to remedy that type of crash).

F1 will always be dangerous and there will be another death at some point, but from the early 1980s onwards, F1 has made major strides in safety. It's nothing like it was in the "good old days".
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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I totally agree about Hamilton:
Foliorum Viridum said:
Hamilton's crash was pretty scary to watch with him not moving for a while. Thought he was knocked out or something at first. Bit silly, really, that crash could've been avoided easily and I'm sure he would've been on the podium if it weren't for that.
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Sometimes crashes aren't entertaining to watch. It's like when Webber went upside down in Valencia, I thought he was dead for sure until he just hopped out.

In the moment crashes can still be frightening, but in the back of my mind I know that 99% of the time it's the car that's going to take all of the battering.
 
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I was pretty worried too when his head wasn't moving around. Some crashes are amazing when the driver just hops out looking shaken but completely fine otherwise. Allan McNish's crash at Le Mans this year was crazy! Wolfgang Ullrich about breaks down we he sees Allan get out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW3NDGk6YQE


Now back to Bond, we need someone to PS a Bond poster with our F1 replacements
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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dubc35 said:
I was pretty worried too when his head wasn't moving around. Some crashes are amazing when the driver just hops out looking shaken but completely fine otherwise. Allan McNish's crash at Le Mans this year was crazy! Wolfgang Ullrich about breaks down we he sees Allan get out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW3NDGk6YQE


Now back to Bond, we need someone to PS a Bond poster with our F1 replacements
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That car nearly squashed a good dozen people there. That's fucking ridiculous that those barriers weren't bigger.
 
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Luciano Burti at Spa 2001 is the one F1 accident I've seen where I was absolutely convinced the driver had been killed. Thankfully, he made a full recovery from minor injuries. Pretty much the worst possible type of impact for a Formula 1 driver to suffer.
 
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InertiaXr

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dubc35 said:
I was pretty worried too when his head wasn't moving around. Some crashes are amazing when the driver just hops out looking shaken but completely fine otherwise. Allan McNish's crash at Le Mans this year was crazy! Wolfgang Ullrich about breaks down we he sees Allan get out. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JW3NDGk6YQE


Now back to Bond, we need someone to PS a Bond poster with our F1 replacements
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I've never watched Le Mans stuff, but what is their possible rationale for having multiple groups of cars on the track that all do incredibly different speeds? I've been watching the 2010 F1 season the past couple days and it was Coulthard I think who said after Webber's flip in Valencia that any more than a 10kph difference between F1 cars is just too much and can cause unnecessary accidents, but then I see stupid shit like Le Mans. Those prototypes probably go 50+ kph faster on the straights than that what loos like a Ferrari F430 does?
 
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InertiaXr said:
I've never watched Le Mans stuff, but what is their possible rationale for having multiple groups of cars on the track that all do incredibly different speeds? I've been watching the 2010 F1 season the past couple days and it was Coulthard I think who said after Webber's flip in Valencia that any more than a 10kph difference between F1 cars is just too much and can cause unnecessary accidents, but then I see stupid shit like Le Mans. Those prototypes probably go 50+ kph faster on the straights than that what loos like a Ferrari F430 does?
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I take it you're not familiar with multi-class endurance racing.

GT cars (the slower cars) know full well that they need to get out of the way of the LMP cars on the straights and corners. The GT cars hold their line down the straights or through corners and it's the responsibility of the LMP cars to make it past them safely.

There's nothing wrong with multi-class racing. The McNish accident was somewhat of a freak-accident.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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InertiaXr said:
I've never watched Le Mans stuff, but what is their possible rationale for having multiple groups of cars on the track that all do incredibly different speeds? I've been watching the 2010 F1 season the past couple days and it was Coulthard I think who said after Webber's flip in Valencia that any more than a 10kph difference between F1 cars is just too much and can cause unnecessary accidents, but then I see stupid shit like Le Mans. Those prototypes probably go 50+ kph faster on the straights than that what loos like a Ferrari F430 does?
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It's an accepted risk and part and parcel of endurance racing. Safety standards have increased over the years even more so than F1. The accidents at Le Mans this year were the result of major breaches of the safety regulations (ignoring blue flags, not sticking to the racing line) and poor endurance racing etiquette.
 
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Edmond Dantès said:
It's an accepted risk and part and parcel of endurance racing. Safety standards have increased over the years even more so than F1. The accidents at Le Mans this year were the result of major breaches of the safety regulations (ignoring blue flags, not sticking to the racing line) and poor endurance racing etiquette.
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Ark said:
I take it you're not familiar with multi-class endurance racing.

GT cars (the slower cars) know full well that they need to get out of the way of the LMP cars on the straights and corners. The GT cars hold their line down the straights or through corners and it's the responsibility of the LMP cars to make it past them safely.

There's nothing wrong with multi-class racing. The McNish accident was somewhat of a freak-accident.
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Indeed, I have never seen the Le Mans 24 hours, which is the only endurance race that I know of, so I am not familiar with the sport. In terms of accepting these risks, why? Wouldn't you want to improve the sport to the best of your ability? I live in the United States, and I have seen directly what ignoring problems within a sport will destroy it. MLB decided to ignore the steroid issue for well over a decade and when they finally decided to admit it was a problem and work to get them out of the game, the NFL had simply soared past them and is far and away the #1 sport in the country. Baseball was for decades, they were too stupid to fix their sport, now they are 2nd at best. Not that endurance racing is dying or anything, but ignoring problems sure doesn't help our sport....

This endurance racing is probably just more of a European thing, like F1 is. I enjoy sports with clear rules, which is why the only time I ever watch soccer/futbol is the World Cup, because of jokes like injury time and stoppage time. I don't mean to start a crusade or anything against endurance racing, but ignoring driver safety to the extent that multi-class racing does makes me feel so sad for the drivers that have to compete in that series. Oh well, staying up and watching a full 24 hours of Le Mans sounds pretty cool to me but I guess I won't get that opportunity.

Anyways, back to F1. I'm currently watching the 2010 season and am up to Spa and so far I'm really enjoying it, after Hungary there is still 5 guys with real shots at the title.
 
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InertiaXr said:
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This endurance racing is probably just more of a European thing, like F1 is. I enjoy sports with clear rules, which is why the only time I ever watch soccer/futbol is the World Cup, because of jokes like injury time and stoppage time. I don't mean to start a crusade or anything against endurance racing, but ignoring driver safety to the extent that multi-class racing does makes me feel so sad for the drivers that have to compete in that series. Oh well, staying up and watching a full 24 hours of Le Mans sounds pretty cool to me but I guess I won't get that opportunity.
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Crashes are relatively rare and they are often the result of driver mistakes. Not very different from F1. The rules are very clear and for the most part it works out great.

Driver safety is not at all ignored, as you can see from the crashes and the fact the drivers walk away.

You really should watch an extended portion of a multi-class endurance race and you will quickly see its a well oiled machine. They all know what to do and when to do it. Watch a couple of hours of any race in the past decade and you will get a very good idea, and understanding of how multi-class works, and why it works so well.
 
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AndyD said:
Crashes are relatively rare and they are often the result of driver mistakes. Not very different from F1. The rules are very clear and for the most part it works out great.

Driver safety is not at all ignored, as you can see from the crashes and the fact the drivers walk away.

You really should watch an extended portion of a multi-class endurance race and you will quickly see its a well oiled machine. They all know what to do and when to do it. Watch a couple of hours of any race in the past decade and you will get a very good idea, and understanding of how multi-class works, and why it works so well.
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It looks like Le Mans was in early June, what do you suggest I should try watching? All I have in the US is the Speed channel which I'm not sure has endurance racing all that often.
 
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Regarding the model talk in the previous page, I recently bought a Tamiya Mclaren MP4/5B; still hasn't arrived, but I never built a model of these, so I'm afraid I'm going to mess it all up. They do look good when they are assembled properly.
 
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AndyD

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InertiaXr said:
It looks like Le Mans was in early June, what do you suggest I should try watching? All I have in the US is the Speed channel which I'm not sure has endurance racing all that often.
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Your best bet is to look stuff up online.

And on there is the American Le Mans Series going on:
http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/article/alms-baltimore-preview/

Baltimore this weekend.

Four LMP1, 13 GT (Robertson Racing's Fords skip the weekend), seven LMPC and six GTC make up the 30-car field for the inaugural running of the two-hour Baltimore Grand Prix.

• The ALMS Baltimore Grand Prix airs on ABC Sunday at 4 p.m. ET., and is also available live via web-based ESPN3 on Saturday, starting at 3:15 p.m. ET.
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Edmond Dantès said:
Dieacast models, Tamiya radio controlled cars, evil Maldonado, James Bond; this has to be the best page of this thread. Although, the bird spotting during the Canadian GP was pretty good as well. ;)
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Indeed. Cool to see so many regulars into Tamiya and RCing
 
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AndyD

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nny said:
Regarding the model talk in the previous page, I recently bought a Tamiya Mclaren MP4/5B; still hasn't arrived, but I never built a model of these, so I'm afraid I'm going to mess it all up. They do look good when they are assembled properly.
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Have you built other models? If not, then this is not a good place to start. Go buy a $5 plane or tank or ship at a local hobby store and practice.
 
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