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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Pterion

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Templar Wizard said:
hammy caused an AVOIDABLE collosion and wrecked Massa's race.
he deserved his DT, no doubts about it, the move was never going to work, he should really know better.
but the main problem with Hammy this year is that he isnt learning. He could EASILY be 2nd in the championship if he engaged his brain.

in parc ferme he could have said 'sorry racing incident' to massa, but he just walked away from him, and then an enraged massa made a comment to him when he saw him in the media pit.

I expect another bogus Hammy tweet 'sorry to FM, i respect you guy' sometime this week.
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I'm Hamilton's biggest fan, and I agree with this. Terrible season, and he's getting rattled by Vettel's domination. Not sure he cares that much about 2nd/3rd/4th places in the WDC though. I just hope he focuses on beating Button at the end of the year, because I strongly believe he's much faster and more talented than Button. Very few people can say they've never lost against a teammate...

Mclaren should still be able to finish 2nd in the WCC.
 
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operon said:
The Schumi hate is getting old real fast. hell get rid of massa and stick him in the ferrari, he'd show massa how its done. Button driving great and like the real team leader in Mclaren, showing his doubters he's a real champion
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I showed no hate for Schumi! I love him! <3

Pterion said:
Did we watch the same race? Vettel had Button in his pocket, make no mistake about it.
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I was mainly talking about Hamilton getting back despite the massive drop. Let's see Webber pull what Hamilton pulled. Ignoring Red Bull, McLaren/Mercedes is a much better car than Ferrari can ever be, and that makes it God Tier in my book.

Oh and Button gave a fantastic fight towards the end. Vettel must've been shitting his pants and remembering that rainy day.
 
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operon

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Hammy really annoyed me yesterday, he could be one of the greatest drivers if he just put a little more thought into the overtakes he tries to make. Certainly the incident yesterday cost him a podium, and hes lost a few throughout the season because of similar incidents
 
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Betta Lines

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I don't see how a car consistently having its backside handed to it by the Red Bull can be considered 'god tier'.

All credit to McLaren for making it 2nd fastest though, as it was pretty horrible at the beginning. But god-tier it is not.
 
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dubc35

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Watched the race yesterday afternoon. It was about what I expected. I was hoping for more of a challenge to Vettel.

I lol'd at Webber's start. It's just status quo for him.

Amazing drive by Di Resta. He should be moving up to a better team soon, perhaps Massa's seat? lol.

I wish the traffic wasn't there at the end to see what Jenson could do. Vettel was probably starting to relax a bit and not going full but any pressure on Vettel is good IMO.

I'm looking forward to Suzuka, one of my favorite tracks. I wish it was this weekend and not in 2 weeks. :(
 
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Leunam

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dubc35 said:
I lol'd at Webber's start. It's just status quo for him.
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Difference now is that something is being done about it. First there was the Autosport article where he acknowledges that he needs to improve and then there was the radio transmission at the beginning of the race to remind him of what settings he needs for his starts. Hopefully we see a change soon.
 
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dubc35 said:
I wish the traffic wasn't there at the end to see what Jenson could do. Vettel was probably starting to relax a bit and not going full but any pressure on Vettel is good IMO.
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Well we've already seen what kind of pressure Jenson puts Vettel under when he's closing fast. I was hoping the same would happen again, but that damn traffic.
 
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Psychotext

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Ponti said:
I was hoping the same would happen again, but that damn traffic.
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Without the traffic Button wouldn't have got nearly as close in the first place. That's aside from the fact Vettel had clearly been cruising for some time.

Had it been a wet race then I'm sure it would have been a different story at the end... but it wasn't.
 
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operon said:
Hammy really annoyed me yesterday, he could be one of the greatest drivers if he just put a little more thought into the overtakes he tries to make. Certainly the incident yesterday cost him a podium, and hes lost a few throughout the season because of similar incidents
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Both Mclaren drivers lost their chances with driver or pit crew errors. Button would be closer to Vettel without two consecutive DNFs.
Button lost his chance yesterday behind Kobayashi (who ignored blue flags) and when both Williams drivers were overtaking each other right in front of him.

Also, Webber managed quite a good start for him yesterday. He lost only 2 places (his average).
 
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dubc35

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Leunam said:
Difference now is that something is being done about it. First there was the Autosport article where he acknowledges that he needs to improve and then there was the radio transmission at the beginning of the race to remind him of what settings he needs for his starts. Hopefully we see a change soon.
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Yeah don't get me wrong, I really like Mark. I hope he will get out to better starts as well.
 
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RomanticHeroX

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That's not at all uncommon. Vettel shut off well before that and just cruised to victory. Winning by a second is as good as winning by a minute, so there's no point to risk things when you're in control as much as Vettel was.
 
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brotkasten said:
I agree, but Massa and Hamilton have a history, iirc.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5aMMRgTEk&feature=related

Massa forgot how he rammed Hamilton after getting overtaken at the Japanese Grand Prix back in 2008. Hamilton's race was done and Massa managed to gain a point despite a drive-through penalty.

Massa is slow, boring and now whining. Not fit for Ferrari or any other top team in Formula 1. Somebody should be given that seat and do something worth watching with it.
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
I just watched the F1 Forum and it's the perfect proof of why Sky will never match what the BBC have. As well as the wonderful in-depth and beautiful pieces of film they make, you have Eddie chatting with the fans, pouring champagne over Jake, the duo grabbing everyone they can find to interview and great banter throughout.

The F1 Forum is often more enjoyable than the races in some ways. It'll be sad to have it for only half the races next year, if we even get that.
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Sky's coverage will be utterly superior if they have no breaks during sessions.
 
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John_B said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nl5aMMRgTEk&feature=related

Massa forgot how he rammed Hamilton after getting overtaken at the Japanese Grand Prix back in 2008. Hamilton's race was done and Massa managed to gain a point despite a drive-through penalty.

Massa is slow, boring and now whining. Not fit for Ferrari or any other top team in Formula 1. Somebody should be given that seat and do something worth watching with it.
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Thanks for proving my point? I didn't think it was necessary.
 
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Ark

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Pterion said:
Nah, hammy can still beat him.
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Sure he can, but Button has been a new man ever since Australia this year. Hamilton has a fundamental problem somewhere, I don't know where, but the media points towards his personal support. Which as far as I can remember, has always been one of the key problems with Hamilton.

If Button beats Hamilton this year, it'll be the first time in the entirety of Hamilton's racing career that he has been beaten by a team mate (feel free to correct me on this).
 
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Uploading some sweet photos and making a photo gallery so it's easier to grab the ones you want. How should I organize it?

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Ark said:
Sure he can, but Button has been a new man ever since Australia this year. Hamilton has a fundamental problem somewhere, I don't know where, but the media points towards his personal support. Which as far as I can remember, has always been one of the key problems with Hamilton.

If Button beats Hamilton this year, it'll be the first time in the entirety of Hamilton's racing career that he has been beaten by a team mate (feel free to correct me on this).
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First post that i agree on everything, something is wrong about that =(
 
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NihonTiger90

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So, since the WDC is all but done (a points finish for Vettel or a non-win for Button in the remaining 5 races does it), perhaps it's time to take a look at how the Constructor's Title is going:

The remaining number of maximum points are 215. That leaves two teams in the hunt:

Red Bull - 491
McLaren - 353 (-138)

Red Bull cannot win the Constructor's Title at Suzuka, but they can put it all but out of reach. With 43 points and a double no-points finish for McLaren, they would be up by 171. The maximum number of remaining points after Suzuka would be 172, meaning that Red Bull would have to score just one more point or that McLaren would have to finish 1-2 for the remaining 4 races to win without Red Bull finishing in the points once. However, that's a near impossible scenario, almost as impossible as Vettel not scoring a single point for the remaining races and Button sweeping them all.

More than likely, Red Bull will wrap up the Constructor's Title after Korea, where the maximum number of remaining points will be 129. They simply need to remain even with McLaren or drop only 9 points to McLaren in the next 2 races, and they get that title as well. Something tells me that won't be too much of a problem.
 
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S. L.

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eh i dunno about Hamilton, part of it is that the current ruleset doesn't really favor 'racy' drivers like Hamilton or Koba but more the 'driver' drivers like Vettel and Button.

Not saying that either of them is particularly bad at the other style but it gives them a bit of an advantage
 
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dubc35

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Hmm, that's sad news about the constructors' title, as if we thought it would be any different really.

I don't know about Hamilton either. Someone a couple pages back mentioned he was binary: all attack or too timid. I would agree with that. Seeing how there are many great past F1 Brits, I would think someone could mentor him somewhat in the art or racing. Perhaps mentoring in the mindset of racing would be more appropriate. Maybe he thinks that since he won WDC he doesn't need it or is thickheaded? I don't know, pure speculation on my part for that.
 
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Psychotext

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dubc35 said:
Hmm, that's sad news about the constructors' title, as if we thought it would be any different really.
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Makes me laugh that Vettel has outscored Ferrari... and he's closer to McLaren's total than Button is to his. :D
 
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dubc35 said:
Hmm, that's sad news about the constructors' title, as if we thought it would be any different really.

I don't know about Hamilton either. Someone a couple pages back mentioned he was binary: all attack or too timid. I would agree with that. Seeing how there are many great past F1 Brits, I would think someone could mentor him somewhat in the art or racing. Perhaps mentoring in the mindset of racing would be more appropriate. Maybe he thinks that since he won WDC he doesn't need it or is thickheaded? I don't know, pure speculation on my part for that.
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I think there are many factors with this season in particular. He hasn't been the same (to me) since his win in China. I think it's factors such as his incidents/penalties, the noncompetitive car, and a worthy teammate who has been driving well.

Really wish he would find something that puts him in a place where he can race to his potential again soon.
 
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RomanticHeroX

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I honestly think the superstar image has gotten to him. From his first season (before, really) he's been hailed as the next Schumi or the next great British driver. The lack of any real criticism* has maybe made it too easy for him to brush off sensible suggestions and pass off blame for real mistakes. Hamilton is an incredibly gifted driver and it's great that he has such a competitive spirit but the bottom line is he needs to stop running into shit. Blame for his incidents don't always lie 100% on his shoulders, but when you have such a long list of incidents that have accumulated over such a short period of time you have be able to stop and take a look at what's going on.

*Being American, of course, my view is limited to F1 websites and streams of BBC broadcasts. If I'm wrong with this someone please correct me.
 
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Leunam

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Hamiltons father believes that his management isn't offering him enough support, which is why he is seemingly underperforming.
 
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Psychotext

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Leunam said:
Hamiltons father believes that his management isn't offering him enough support, which is why he is seemingly underperforming.
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It's funny really, Anthony Hamilton's new driver (Paul di Resta) is getting better all the time. Maybe there's some magic in his management technique. :)
 
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Psychotext said:
It's funny really, Anthony Hamilton's new driver (Paul di Resta) is getting better all the time. Maybe there's some magic in his management technique. :)
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Or maybe Paul has his head in the right place.

It may just be this year. After McLaren's performance in the first half of the season, Monaco and Montreal Hamilton may have given up on this year and is driving mindlessly until 2012.
 
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DrM

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More interesting battle is for 2nd place in Constructors. Mclaren is 85 point in front of Ferrari, but with recent form, Mclaren could stay there with both drivers getting points. It is harder at Ferrari, where only Alonso brings lots of points.

Mercedes is secured on 4th position.

There is quite a battle for 5th place, where Force India is chasing down Renault. FI is only 22 points behind.
 
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Eddie Jordan really really liked Singapore qualifying...

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RomanticHeroX

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DrM said:
More interesting battle is for 2nd place in Constructors. Mclaren is 85 point in front of Ferrari, but with recent form, Mclaren could stay there with both drivers getting points. It is harder at Ferrari, where only Alonso brings lots of points.

Mercedes is secured on 4th position.

There is quite a battle for 5th place, where Force India is chasing down Renault. FI is only 22 points behind.
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I think we won't see any change for the Constructors for 1-4. Red Bull are unassailable. McLaren are even with or slightly quicker than Ferrari, but Massa's seat is dead weight. It wouldn't surprise me to see Force India taking 5th considering how spotty Renault are lately. I also think Toro Rosso has a shot at displacing Sauber, who really seem to have lost pace.
 
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Leunam

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Interview with Kamui Kobayashi. I thought this was pretty cool:

Q: Can you tell us about your initiatives to help?
KK: Well, most importantly there were many initiatives done internationally, and by various organisations. Personally I wanted to do something that would give people an opportunity to contribute small amounts of money. That is why we did the App ‚You are connected‘ with pictures and messages from all F1 drivers and team principals for iPhones and iPads. It costs only 0.79 Euro and in the first two months there were more than 10,000 downloads from people in 49 countries. The cost was small, but I think it is important that it was an opportunity for people who wanted to help. Also it was an achievement that all the F1 drivers and teams were doing this in a show of solidarity with the Japanese people. The price was low as, for example, if we asked for ten euros many people would not want to pay this much, but more people can afford to pay this one euro. However, in the end I believe it is the government that has to help the country.

For the weekend of the Japanese Grand Prix I have invited a group of 60 people. This is a girls’ choir, called MJC Ensemble, from one of the disaster-affected regions, together with their parents or other family members. They come from Minami-Soma city in the Fukushima Prefecture and they will sing the National Anthem before the race. I have organised the bus trip, hotel rooms and tickets for them, so I just hope they have a nice time. I have also had a role as an international ambassador for the Japan Tourism Agency for more than a year. In this role I have attended many meetings in Tokyo and try to support other projects as well. The fact that we don’t have a Japanese car manufacturer in F1 anymore makes it quite difficult for me. It would have helped if there was still one and the focus wasn’t so much on me.

Q: Last year you made a very special deal with the organisers - can you explain that?
KK: Yes, this was decided before the disaster struck. I agreed with the organisers that for every championship point I scored in 2011 before the Japanese Grand Prix I would invite one family to the 2011 Suzuka race. We received more than 6,000 letters from people who wanted to come. Every time I scored points I would randomly pick out that number of letters, so now I have chosen 27 families this way. However, because we had such a big response I have picked out an extra ten, and this means I shall have 37 families as my guests.
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