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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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Related, I hate that damn "beard" he's got going on now.S. L. said:
Just... ugh.
Edmond Dantès
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May I ask what list?Shaneus said:
i have to admit i went through a stage of disliking kubica. There was a period of time where i all he did was complain like a child but then he obviously matured and became a brilliant driver. love him now, i just hope he makes a full recovery and comes back to f1 racing competitively.
i can see how anyone could hate Alonso, Webber or Vettel, but seriously, some of the best drivers right there, without them f1 would be boring as all hell. i guess we'd still have Kobayashi to watch though
i can see how anyone could hate Alonso, Webber or Vettel, but seriously, some of the best drivers right there, without them f1 would be boring as all hell. i guess we'd still have Kobayashi to watch though
RomanticHeroX
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Alonso and Vettel are probably my favorite drivers on the grid, I don't get the hate. I haven't really disliked a driver since Irvine left.
SunhiLegend
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The only driver I dislike is Hamilton. My favourites are Alonso, Kubica and more recently Vettel.
Foliorum Viridum
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<3 Perfect post.Daniel Dantas said:
brotkasten
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On the Alonso hate: Meh, whatever. He drives the red turd, I'll cheer for him.
Why? I don't have to like him and if he's in a competing team, I sure as hell can hate him. To be honest, I completely forgot he existed before 2010.AcridMeat said:
Dilly said:
Wow, I had totally erased any existence of that car from my memory. You're absolutely right. That car was an absolute piece of shit. I think what I was trying to say was that he was always a great driver, just a little too quick to point the finger when things didn't work out. I guess in a sport so driven by politics and mind games amongst rival teams, it takes some time for drivers to accustom themselves to that world. It's really painful to watch the races without him, even though Vitaly and Nick are doing a half decent job, I can only imagine what Kubica could have achieved in the current car.
I was always happy for Alonso when he was taking on and beating Schumi in '05 and '06, but after his behaviour in 2007, I lost practically all the respect I had for him as a driver. He's still one of the best drivers in the world and he's easily in the very, very top tier of today's grid in terms of all round driving ability, but I just find him far too arrogant and selfish a person. It also doesn't help that he drives for my absolutely least favourite team, but I can get why he wanted to make the move to Maranello in the first place.
In 2007 Alonso was obtaining illegal information about Ferrari. When Hamilton became too much of a pressure for him, he went to Ron Dennis and tried to blackmail him to get treated as lead driver. Ron Dennis panicked and went straight to FIA instead. Spygate erupted. Alonso walked away clean.Templar Wizard said:
In 2008 Alonso along with Briatore engineered a fake win by having Piquet Jr. crash at the right place and moment, so Alonso's pit stop strategy could get him out infront of everyone. Again Alonso walked away clean.
Alonso is a snake. He went to the stewards in Malaysia to cry about Hamilton. Not because he thought what happened deserved some justification, but because there was a opportunity to take away points from a direct competitor. If Alonso can play cards with an extra ace up his sleeve, he certainly will. The peace you see in the Ferrari garage is only temporarily because Alonso is in total control. If Kubica or a driver of similar quality would sign with the team, then things would quickly turn sour.
You can read the official report - http://www.fia.com/resources/documents/17844641__WMSC_Decision_130907.pdf
It very clearly says that Alonso and de la Rosa received and used information from Mike Coughlan. Ron Dennis phoned Max Mosley after his meeting with Alonso. Whatever has been said between them is unknown, but it happened right after the Hungary incident (Alonso blocking Hamilton).
Alonso was officialy cleared from the Singapore incident, but he most definitly was in on it.
It very clearly says that Alonso and de la Rosa received and used information from Mike Coughlan. Ron Dennis phoned Max Mosley after his meeting with Alonso. Whatever has been said between them is unknown, but it happened right after the Hungary incident (Alonso blocking Hamilton).
Alonso was officialy cleared from the Singapore incident, but he most definitly was in on it.
itsgreen said:
It is actually what happened though.
Vettel is easily the most hateable driver though, comes across as a smug little prat, cant overtake for toffee and would be raped by a top driver in the other red bull.
A mediocre driver being flattered by a car a country mile faster then anything else on the track. He had an even bigger speed advantage last year and still had to go to the last race to win it.
I am too well versed in Project 4's spying scandal, needless to say the official FIA report is a mild whitewash. The McLaren design team had access to everything. It went to the very top, they were silly to deny it. Anyway, it's water under the bridge and Jean Todt completely destroyed Dennis.
Still doesn't detract from the fact that Alonso is massively hate-able.
Absolute bollocks. If Vettel's car did not break down so much last year he would have comfortably secured the title. Vettel already demonstrated his class in 2008 by winning at Monza in the rain, he is far from a mediocre driver. Definitely psychological vulnerable but as far as talent goes his is undeniable.
Still doesn't detract from the fact that Alonso is massively hate-able.
dalin80 said:
Absolute bollocks. If Vettel's car did not break down so much last year he would have comfortably secured the title. Vettel already demonstrated his class in 2008 by winning at Monza in the rain, he is far from a mediocre driver. Definitely psychological vulnerable but as far as talent goes his is undeniable.
Cereal KiIIer said:
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ashk said:
Senna is considered a myth because of moments like this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x466VJu9g6g
Or when he won the brazilian GP without the 2nd, 3th, 4th and 5th gears.
Nobody uses that move over Prost in Portugal 88 as a good example. It even came back to surface after Schumacher did the same over Barrichello to show how dangerous it is.
And, if you're saying that Shucmacher left enough space for him, why was he punished in the next race? FACT: he was wrong and got penalized for doing that. You're just refusing yourselves to accept this.
And by the way, if THIS is "enough space"
How would you call that? A light year?
I don't like Hamilton either.Templar Wizard said:
Agree 100%.Juicy Bob said:
I disliked alonso when he drove for Renault but whe he drives for Ferrari, I support him.....there is no doubt about it, he will do anything to win which is a nice change from the way Kimi seemed to be
Hamilton comes off as a bit of a cock that could be because he is young and trying to fit into the whole douchebag celebrity crowd but it's his life and if he drove for Ferrari, I would support him as well.
Vettel is the most likable, I don't think the success has really gotten to him yet or that could the red bull culture, I used to doubt his skill but now I think he is definitely alongside Alonso & Hamilton as the best three drivers
Hamilton comes off as a bit of a cock that could be because he is young and trying to fit into the whole douchebag celebrity crowd but it's his life and if he drove for Ferrari, I would support him as well.
Vettel is the most likable, I don't think the success has really gotten to him yet or that could the red bull culture, I used to doubt his skill but now I think he is definitely alongside Alonso & Hamilton as the best three drivers
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John_B said:
I love how you dont respond to anything related to hamilton and come out with some bullshit/speculation on alonso.
SunhiLegend
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I supported Alonso back when he started for Renault and he is still my favourite driver.
The way I saw it was that the double world champion signed for Mclaren with a rookie alongside him. He was expected to be the number 1 driver but Mclaren decided not to do that which is fair. But then they made Hamilton their number 1 and treated him as their number 1 driver, if they treated both drivers fairly then I wouldn't have had any problem. But to make a rookie their number 1 driver and the double world champion their number 2 really pissed me off. They clearly wanted Hamilton to win and instead of treating both drivers equally Hamilton got treated as a number 1 driver.
The way I saw it was that the double world champion signed for Mclaren with a rookie alongside him. He was expected to be the number 1 driver but Mclaren decided not to do that which is fair. But then they made Hamilton their number 1 and treated him as their number 1 driver, if they treated both drivers fairly then I wouldn't have had any problem. But to make a rookie their number 1 driver and the double world champion their number 2 really pissed me off. They clearly wanted Hamilton to win and instead of treating both drivers equally Hamilton got treated as a number 1 driver.
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Deadman said:
yep, if sky get it they'll probably charge £14.99 for each race. :lol
remember f1 digital + on sky in 2002?
SunhiLegend
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One reason I don't like Hamilton is that he is such a spoilt brat. He has never driven for a team that cannot compete for the title. He has always had a championship winning car (excluding the first half of 2009 but then again everyone else were lagging behind Brawn), and when his car is not quick enough he complains about everything and feels as if his team is not doing a good enough job.
Edmond Dantès
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It's a shame that the whole affair imploded before our eyes, because it's the closest we've come to having another Senna/Prost type of rivalry.SunhiLegend said:
Edmond Dantès
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You've got to love Bernie sometimes, even though some of his recent ideas have been bonkers.moojito said:
Hamilton only has one comparable episode, and that is when he lied to the stewards. I'm not trying to downplay that episode or anything, I just think Hamilton's list of controversies is pretty short compared to Alonso's. It does not make sense to pull a - "but look at Hamilton" when talking about shit Alonso did.Templar Wizard said:
Alonso was playing unfairly to begin with. He allianced himself with de la Rosa early on. They planned their training sessions last, so they could tune the car for Alonso.SunhiLegend said:
McLaren had specific rules for who got the superior pit strategies. Something like - who sets the best Q2 time could pit first in the race. Alonso was controlling things early on, but when Hamilton began to beat Alonso things turned ugly. In Indianapolis Hamilton was leading, so Alonso (like last season) phoned in and told the team to tell Hamilton to give up his position. McLaren played it fair, and everytime Alonso asked for unfair shit, they turned him down. In Hungary Alonso didn't want to loose by the McLaren "rules", so he blocked Hamilton on purpose. Ron Dennis was furious and his following talk with Alonso lead to the Spygate affair. At that point Ron Dennis probably felt Alonso wasn't the best for McLaren, so they focused more on Hamilton, who in contrast probably was the future for them.
Alonso felt he was treated unfairly because he was treated fairly. He brought all that shit on himself.
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Juicy Bob said:
Don't be silly. Ferrari favoritism keeps them from getting in trouble for stuff like that.Wax Free Vanilla said:
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This was going to be my answer.Foliorum Viridum said:
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Shaneus said:
SunhiLegend said:
Lewis was only made number one (if you want to believe that) after Alonso started losing his shit because he wasn't getting preferential treatment. I had nothing against Alonso until around the US GP in 2007 when he embarrassed himself remonstrating to the team for not having Lewis to move over. Inserting a spanish official into the McLaren garage for the final race pretty much cemented my poor opinion of him. What business does any official have in a private teams operations? Did anyone really expect the personnel in that team to support Alonso after everything that had gone on?
To this day i'm still not sure why they didn't fire Alonso after he threatened to go to Max. They probably still thought they could keep the scandal under wraps at that point. Ron completely mishandled that entire affair.
SunhiLegend said:
That's not a reason to hate. He's worked hard to get where he is and when the car and strategy aren't good enough he says as much. I hate the corporate PR nonsense we get from some drivers. I don't actually think the team respects him too much when it comes to race strategy anyway, to their detriment.
Kubica hate is really strange. I'm not a fan but I can't recall any reason he's given me to outright dislike him.
Foliorum Viridum
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I fail to believe anyone could hate Webber. I'd make him my wife if I could.
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