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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|
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Ferrari had numerous new components on their cars, they managed to use additional wind tunnel during this break (their 'main' windtunnel will go into renovation and will be fully operational at the end of this season). They will add some more stuff for Barcelona. Same story with Mercedes.PjotrStroganov said:
RBR and Mclaren did not bring any significant upgrades to Turkey, they will unveil them in Barcelona.
Ark said:
I kind of like the limited tires system in the race, it makes strategy more important. Although I dislike what it does to qualifying, where third stint is not as intense all out as it used to be.
Not a bad race all in all. Watched it with a group of fans here in Nashville, good time talking to other fans in real life.
Mercedes pace is still one second off, nice race by Rosberg anyway.
Ferrari and RBR similar pace all the weekend, I was expecting a second for Alonso, but that last stint by Webber was impressive.
McLaren.. a weekend to forget, Button strategy was the wrong one.
Buemi destroyed Jaime, and Kobayashi was man of the race for me.
Massa race was fucked when he couldn't pass the Renaults for... the entire race.
The DRS in this race was awful, worse than China even, the zone was too big, I wonder where they put it in Barcelona.
Ferrari and RBR similar pace all the weekend, I was expecting a second for Alonso, but that last stint by Webber was impressive.
McLaren.. a weekend to forget, Button strategy was the wrong one.
Buemi destroyed Jaime, and Kobayashi was man of the race for me.
Massa race was fucked when he couldn't pass the Renaults for... the entire race.
The DRS in this race was awful, worse than China even, the zone was too big, I wonder where they put it in Barcelona.
Another great race today. I'm lovin this years cars, tires, drs, etc.. The nice thing we are still seeing overtaking out the DRS zone, which is great. It was also nice to see Alonso on the podium/
Vettel is off to a great start, but the season is by no means over.
Vettel is off to a great start, but the season is by no means over.
Enjoyed the race, but damn Hamiltons style really bit him in the ass, and that's on top of the shitty pit stop. Going to watch the GP2 race right now.
Also, sorry for not getting a Turkey preview up in time. I meant to do it yesterday, but there was a death in my fiance's family so I wasn't home until late. All I managed to do was pop in for a quick post.
Also, sorry for not getting a Turkey preview up in time. I meant to do it yesterday, but there was a death in my fiance's family so I wasn't home until late. All I managed to do was pop in for a quick post.
Psychotext
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Insane that Vettel had the time to go from a three stop strategy to a four stop right at the end. Totally dominant.
Other teams had better hope that their upgrades are significant and Webber really needs to step it up.
Other teams had better hope that their upgrades are significant and Webber really needs to step it up.
scarybore
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A good race today, just a shame no one could challenge Vettel for first.
Got to love Kobayashi, the guy is great to watch and I can only hope he gets a chance at one of the bigger teams in the next few years.
I like the DRS in general but it wasnt quite right today, it pretty much guaranteed a overtake rather than providing an opportunity like it should. Speaking of the DRS, I saw on Autosport earlier that the DRS will be allowed at Monaco which sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
Damn, if Di Resta didn't retire I might have taken first. Still, could have been a lot worse, I absolutely shat myself seeing Sutil and Perez touching on the last few laps when Vettel was lapping them.
Got to love Kobayashi, the guy is great to watch and I can only hope he gets a chance at one of the bigger teams in the next few years.
I like the DRS in general but it wasnt quite right today, it pretty much guaranteed a overtake rather than providing an opportunity like it should. Speaking of the DRS, I saw on Autosport earlier that the DRS will be allowed at Monaco which sounds like an accident waiting to happen.
S. L. said:
Damn, if Di Resta didn't retire I might have taken first. Still, could have been a lot worse, I absolutely shat myself seeing Sutil and Perez touching on the last few laps when Vettel was lapping them.
DrM said:
LOL.
I still remember that tunnel crash a few years back, I think it was Alonso whose car disintegrated. Sort of a "two cars enter, one car lives" scenario.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loD5X3ZtKFY
And of course Sutil being robbed of what would have been his best GP finish ever then.
Second clip in this amazing Monaco compilation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iI6DhzSszUk
Still there is a lot less desperation in overtaking moves. If you are on a similar pace or even faster and made a mistake, there is no need to defend your position at all cost.
Without the DRS zone the overtaking positions are often gained by braking later and later leaving very little room for corrections if you screw up. with the speed overhead generated by drs things are a bit less edgy.
If anything, the reliability this season is amazing so far
Without the DRS zone the overtaking positions are often gained by braking later and later leaving very little room for corrections if you screw up. with the speed overhead generated by drs things are a bit less edgy.
If anything, the reliability this season is amazing so far
itsgreen said:
I think he meant that if drivers know they can stay behind and always attempt a pass at turn X, where they will have a significant advantage, then they are less likely to try passing elsewhere to minimize the risk.
As we saw today, a well positioned car was virtually guaranteed a pass at the DRS zone. Which is why we saw almost no passing elsewhere.
That would be interesting to look at so far for the season vs other seasons, how many passes are at the DRS turn vs other turns. I know we are already seeing more overall passes per race, but I would venture to guess the majority are at the DRS turn.
S. L. said:
Unless your name is Felipe Massa or Michael Schumacher.
What I'd like to primarily point to, is the championship racing going on.
Hamilton - Alonso in Malaysia
Hamilton - Vettel in China
Hamilton - Button in Turkey
Button - Massa in Australia (I'm not even sure this counts, but I've thrown it in anyway)
I'm talking about the top five guys racing each other. We didn't get much of that at all last year, I might have missed one or two in that list. Even Rosberg is making his way into that list.
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I have to say, I honestly think that Hamilton and Button are two of the most respectful guys when it comes to racing each other, they always seem to fight fair (trying not to sound biased here is quite hard).
Button is waaaay too "respectful", especially with regards to Hamilton. In battles with Button I have the feeling that Hamilton likes deliberately positions his car in a way that would lead to a crash - either for Hamilton only, or both - and he gets away with it because Button always yields.Ark said:
Kinda the opposite to the Vettel/Webber incident last year
S. L. said:
To be fair, Senna's signature move was putting the adversary in a position to cause the crash or lay back and avoid it. No matter who it was, it happened nearly every one of his races. So I think its both aggression by Lewis and a more laid back attitude from Button.
I think having two aggressive drivers leads to more crashes as neither is willing to give up. So aggressive drivers probably learn who the pushovers are and force the situation on them, while avoiding the same tactic with other aggressive drivers.
On a different note. I was talking to someone the other day about how tires are less durable. And we all thought early before the season that those drivers who were traditionally easy on tires, like Button, would end up doing much better than notoriously hard on tires drivers, such as Hamilton. It turns out that is not the case in real life. Is it the frequent pit stops?
AndyD said:
It's a media over exaggeration from the infinitely lasting Bridgestones from last year.
Button is notoriously smoother with his tyres, but they'll only last him a few laps longer. Whilst Hamilton's apparent over-aggressiveness with his tyres is only because he's driving 100% flat out.
Edmond Dantès
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He's too respectful in general, if he was more ruthless he'd be up there with Alonso and Hamilton and certainly more highly regarded.S. L. said:
S. L. said:
I'm not sure if I would agree that Button is 'waaaay' too respectful, I think Button really fought him today. I mean at the end of the day both have to prioritise making sure they don't undermine the team's efforts by eliminating each other whilst at the same time truly racing. That in itself will play a massive role. As regards to their reaction to each other, I think typically Hamilton is pretty risky with his driving style anyway it's not just with Button that he just barges in on with that style. Button on the other hand tends to be careful anyway by nature opting to think about tyre wear (though today that seemed to go out the window a bit since he actively went after Hamilton) over other things. Even with that said both kind of changed it up a little I felt with Hamilton being less risky when he realised Button just wouldn't give it up and Button just charging after him and not just letting it go. Their battle today could have been a lot worse (i.e schumi and Petrov) luckily both seemed to realise when to go for it and when to back off, I think that's about as measured as it gets without a crash and/or damage happening. If this was Alonso V Hamilton it would almost certainly have resulted in someone either crashing or needing to pit for replacements parts.
Foliorum Viridum
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Brilliant race again, this season is shaping up to be just as good as last year. Loving it.
My one and only complaint would be a lack of crashes. Everyone loves a good bash and asides from one or two small contacts, we haven't had any of that yet. I hope that changes soon.
My one and only complaint would be a lack of crashes. Everyone loves a good bash and asides from one or two small contacts, we haven't had any of that yet. I hope that changes soon.
S. L. said:
I think you are right. A half sec advantage for a 5-10 lap duration is minor compared to half second over 20-30 laps we saw in previous years.
Now its certainly the case that tires fall off a lot more, not such a gradual degradation. And when it falls, the difference is dramatic, so you have to change them out or else. I think it was the last race, someone was all of a sudden losing 2 seconds a lap because they stayed out just 2-3 laps past the fall off spot.
Interesting to see how different the cars are.
LOL
http://www.corridadeformula1.com/wp-content/gallery/wallpaper2011-turquigp/pg-vettel.jpg
LOL
http://www.corridadeformula1.com/wp-content/gallery/wallpaper2011-turquigp/pg-vettel.jpg
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
Daniel Dantas said:Interesting to see how different the cars are.
http://www.corridadeformula1.com/wp-content/gallery/wallpaper2011-turquigp/st-button-massa.jpg[/MG]
LOL
[url]http://www.corridadeformula1.com/wp-content/gallery/wallpaper2011-turquigp/pg-vettel.jpg[/url][/QUOTE]
Finally some significant variety in F1, which is very refreshing as most of the cars ended up looking the same under the pre-2009 technical regulations.
Still a far cry from the kind of variety in the seventies and eighties though.
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/t5ODl.jpg
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
The Brabham BT46 fan car.Daniel Dantas said:
There's a nice summary of the car here.
http://www.research-racing.de/bt46-1.htm
Track side safety in that era of F1 was very lax in comparison to the modern era.
Edmond Dantès
Dantès the White
A couple of videos of the beast in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHt-k6EHlwQ&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-eKJ6G6XAc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wHt-k6EHlwQ&NR=1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-eKJ6G6XAc&feature=related
Templar Wizard
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Funny drunk thread on autosport, guy got hammered at the red bull party and says a mechanic let slip they want Kamui for the 2012 RBR seat.
wishful thinking at best.
BUT!
if you have a japanese driver in a winning car and winning races, more fizzy drinks sold in Japan.
but more importantly, and I think Bernie Teabag would be keeping a very close eye on this: higher japanese interest in F1 perhaps making F1 relevant for Japanese auto companies again...
wishful thinking at best.
BUT!
if you have a japanese driver in a winning car and winning races, more fizzy drinks sold in Japan.
but more importantly, and I think Bernie Teabag would be keeping a very close eye on this: higher japanese interest in F1 perhaps making F1 relevant for Japanese auto companies again...
RomanticHeroX
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There's always gossip about competitive seats, especially when someone in a team is so far back from his teammate. Hearing people talk about the second RBR seat doesn't necessarily make Webber any more likely to be out of the drive. He is doing a respectable job as a number two driver in the team, but he is getting fairly old by F1 standards. I'm sure he still has several competitive years ahead of him but youth is always a big consideration when making a lineup. I think the bigger question is whether Webber would end his career with Red Bull or go off to another team, and if so which ones would have him.
I think there's also a lot of talk about his seat because Red Bull are so competitive and there are so many options to fill it. I think Hamilton and McLaren are too cozy to part ways any time soon, and Alonso wouldn't be interested in being in a team with a driver like Vettel. That leaves some really interesting candidates like Kobayashi and (possibly) Kubica.
I think there's also a lot of talk about his seat because Red Bull are so competitive and there are so many options to fill it. I think Hamilton and McLaren are too cozy to part ways any time soon, and Alonso wouldn't be interested in being in a team with a driver like Vettel. That leaves some really interesting candidates like Kobayashi and (possibly) Kubica.
Templar Wizard
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it all comes from Webber having a 1 year contract, this weekend he said that he may just retire and not change team.
you say something that at the start of the season... its a rope around your neck for the whole season.
you say something that at the start of the season... its a rope around your neck for the whole season.
Red Bull wants Kobayashi to learn Vettel how to overtake - even though at the moment overtaking is entirely unnecessary for Vettel.
It would be really interessting to see Kobayashi in that kind of machinery. He's an exciting driver, and I think he has enough talent to become better than the likes of Webber, Button and Massa.
It would be really interessting to see Kobayashi in that kind of machinery. He's an exciting driver, and I think he has enough talent to become better than the likes of Webber, Button and Massa.
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