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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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Dead Man

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John_B said:
Red Bull wants Kobayashi to learn Vettel how to overtake - even though at the moment overtaking is entirely unnecessary for Vettel.

It would be really interessting to see Kobayashi in that kind of machinery. He's an exciting driver, and I think he has enough talent to become better than the likes of Webber, Button and Massa.
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I think he is already better than Massa, faster than Webber and more aggressive than Button. With time he will be great if he gets a good car.
 
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Templar Wizard

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maybe Mark is talking retirement to deflect the fact that Flav got him the 2nd ferrari seat for 2012, to be nice and warm for Perez in 2013...

too much speculation too early.
 
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mclem

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S. L. said:
If anything, the reliability this season is amazing so far
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I can't actually recall the last time I've seen a full-fledged engine blowout; billowing smoke, parking the car as quickly as possible. I'm sure they've happened, but I recall when it felt like you were pretty much guaranteed up to three every race.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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Dead Man said:
I think he is already better than Massa, faster than Webber and more aggressive than Button. With time he will be great if he gets a good car.
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Agreed.

But caution should be taken, as we've seen other drivers perform miracles in midfield cars cars, only to shrivel when put in the spotlight.
 
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DrM

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Templar Wizard said:
Next up is Barcelona, a track famous for boring processions.
the first true test of DRS closing, can it make a shit track good?
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I hope so, because Barcelona and Valencia should be scrapped from F1 calendar

And Hungaroring with them.
 
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brotkasten

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Templar Wizard said:
maybe Mark is talking retirement to deflect the fact that Flav got him the 2nd ferrari seat for 2012, to be nice and warm for Perez in 2013...

too much speculation too early.
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Not sure if I want Perez in the Ferrari. Yes, he's in the Ferrari drivers academy, but is it really that important? I don't see the talent.
 
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Templar Wizard

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agreed, 3 most horrible tracks, but as the Follow Barrier is removed, who knows what could happen?

I would say its more likely than unlikely than Perez has a shot at a ferrari seat (based on his 2 years at Sauber) and with his driver program connection, you dont invest money in something if you dont want a return.
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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To be fair, he is providing some excellent entertainment by sucking so hard and seeing the new guys utterly destroy him. Every time he loses a position my heart warms a little.
 
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markot

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I hate Red Bull >_<

Who can get excited for that freaking team?... Its so lame.

Mclaren, Ferrari, Mercedes... etc... all things that are not based on a terrible drink, and actually have a long racing pedigree.
 
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Psychotext

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All that stuff is irrelevant to me. If they're not competitive now I couldn't care what sort of pedigree they have.

Aside from that, I can't say I've ever really supported teams. Drivers though, that's another story.
 
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anonnumber6

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Foliorum Viridum said:
To be fair, he is providing some excellent entertainment by sucking so hard and seeing the new guys utterly destroy him. Every time he loses a position my heart warms a little.
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Pre-comeback Schumacher was in a different league to Vettel, Button etc. only Alonso in the current grid could really challenge him over the course of a championship.
 
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markot

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Pfft, Newey could get Minardi on pole position >_<

And they dont even exist anymore!

Ive always gone for teams over drivers.... And Mclaren >_>! So I guess that may add to my hate for Red Bull...

But still, it wouldnt be so bad if they were still Renault!
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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anonnumber6 said:
Pre-comeback Schumacher was in a different league to Vettel, Button etc. only Alonso in the current grid could really challenge him over the course of a championship.
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I will always hate Schumacher/Ferarri because they made the sport so boring I stopped watching for years.

I won't deny his talent, but I still hate him. Thus it's satisfying to see him back when the sport is far more competitive and he doesn't stand a chance.
 
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markot

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Its not the 'competitive' that is making him slower, its that he is older and not 'into it' like he used to be. He just came back for a German 1/2 in Mercedes. Also Ross Brawn probably helped.

But he should exit.
 
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markot

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He didnt need the best car though back in his 'prime years'.

He could take 'good' and turn it into championship contending material, the Williams cars early on in his career were always faster and better, but he took it right to em, then the Mclarens.

Heh, I was never a big fan of his, but I think theres no doubt he is the best that there has ever been.

Formula 1 did get abit boring though when Schumi and Ferarri were both on top form though >.<
 
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elfinke

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I was damn near captivated from beginning to end last night. Originally I had planned to goto bed after the first few laps, catch some ZZZZ's before waking up for the premier league, but I couldn't switch off. The level of driving shown by the drivers through sector 3 in particular through to turns 1-2-3 was at times mesmerising. DRS and KERS sogood.gif (even if the DRS was a little bit of a push-to-definitely-pass rather than opportunity to pass).
 
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S. L.

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had nothing better to do :)
 
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isamu

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Why do you guys hate Shumacher so much? I mean, I know someone said something about him dominating back in the day, but is that really a reason to hate him? I mean, his job IS/WAS to try and be the best, right?
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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isamu said:
Why do you guys hate Shumacher so much? I mean, I know someone said something about him dominating back in the day, but is that really a reason to hate him? I mean, his job IS/WAS to try and be the best, right?
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Yes, but it ruined the sport. Every week it was a Ferarri at the start of the grid, he won the race, no excitement, no tension. The last straw for me was when Ferarri ordered Rubens to let him through ffs. They couldn't even let poor Rubens have one victory because of lord Michael. That was the last F1 race I ever watched until the start of last season.

He's a great driver, but he and Ferarri are responsible for making the sport so dull I can't help but hate them for that. That's why I love the sport is so close and exciting now, even with Vettel dominating at the moment.
 
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SCHUEY F1

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One of my favorite Schuey seasons was 98 when he was fighting the dominant Newey/Hakkinen McLaren. He drove the shit out of that car. I have at time definitely disliked Schumacher, but I still wish he was more competitive. When he drove into Petrov I was like what the hell are you doing.
 
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Foliorum Viridum said:
Yes, but it ruined the sport. Every week it was a Ferarri at the start of the grid, he won the race, no excitement, no tension. The last straw for me was when Ferarri ordered Rubens to let him through ffs. They couldn't even let poor Rubens have one victory because of lord Michael. That was the last F1 race I ever watched until the start of last season.

He's a great driver, but he and Ferarri are responsible for making the sport so dull I can't help but hate them for that. That's why I love the sport is so close and exciting now, even with Vettel dominating at the moment.
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I forget, was this before or after Schumacher let Irvine through twice in Malaysia '99?
 
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brotkasten

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Foliorum Viridum said:
Yes, but it ruined the sport. Every week it was a Ferarri at the start of the grid, he won the race, no excitement, no tension. The last straw for me was when Ferarri ordered Rubens to let him through ffs. They couldn't even let poor Rubens have one victory because of lord Michael. That was the last F1 race I ever watched until the start of last season.

He's a great driver, but he and Ferarri are responsible for making the sport so dull I can't help but hate them for that. That's why I love the sport is so close and exciting now, even with Vettel dominating at the moment.
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How the hell is it Ferrari's *fault* that they were dominant? They did a much better job than anyone else and that's it. Not much different from Vettel and RBR today. Did you expect them to slow down so the other teams can catch up?
 
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Ark

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Foliorum Viridum said:
Yes, but it ruined the sport. Every week it was a Ferarri at the start of the grid, he won the race, no excitement, no tension. The last straw for me was when Ferarri ordered Rubens to let him through ffs. They couldn't even let poor Rubens have one victory because of lord Michael. That was the last F1 race I ever watched until the start of last season.

He's a great driver, but he and Ferarri are responsible for making the sport so dull I can't help but hate them for that. That's why I love the sport is so close and exciting now, even with Vettel dominating at the moment.
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I think someone is a little bit biased/bitter.

What you're forgetting, is that it wasn't Ferrari ruining the sport. It was the nature of the sport. The competition on the grid was almost nil for Schumacher. The only guys who could really attempt to challenge him where Kimi, Mika & JPM.

What about Williams' dominating the 90's?
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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Somebody dominating ANY sport is not fun. It's not just Ferrari/Schumacher I feel that about.

I've said, repeatedly, they didn't do anything *wrong* I just found it fucking dull.
 
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Edmond Dantès

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markot said:
I hate Red Bull >_<

Who can get excited for that freaking team?... Its so lame.

Mclaren, Ferrari, Mercedes... etc... all things that are not based on a terrible drink, and actually have a long racing pedigree.
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Every team has to start somewhere and Red Bull are in the process of creating their legacy now. I wouldn't begrudge them for doing that on the basis of them being a energy drink company.
 
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Deadman

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I quite like what the owner of red bull has done. He could have sat on his money pile forever in a large mansion, instead he helped make a kick ass f1 team. The work they do in bringing through young drivers shouldnt be forgotten either. The sport is richer because of them.


Still like ferrari the best though.
 
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DrM

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Deadman said:
I quite like what the owner of red bull has done. He could have sat on his money pile forever in a large mansion, instead he helped make a kick ass f1 team. The work they do in bringing through young drivers shouldnt be forgotten either. The sport is richer because of them.
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Not only F1, they are behind almost every xtreme sporting event right now. Too bad that there wont be RB Air Race this year. Also, Red Bull owns four football clubs, one NASCAR team and one hockey team.
 
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Ark

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WorriedCitizen said:
Is it just me or does this thread more and more slide into "autosport quality" territory? All the whining and hating...
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In a sport where a lot of the talent comes from the machine, rather than the man, it's only natural.

That goes for all motorsports. It's not like football where we can blame or argue over two different men kicking a leather ball, in motorsports we can blame a whole host of different people.

Foliorum Viridum said:
On a side note, after my past few posts, I've just realised Lucius86 = Schumacher.

Think about it.
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Are you guys doing an F1 2011 championship this year? I should have my new rig by September and I'll show you how to beat Lucius, hahaha :p
 
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Frankfurter

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Foliorum Viridum said:
Yes, but it ruined the sport. Every week it was a Ferarri at the start of the grid, he won the race, no excitement, no tension. The last straw for me was when Ferarri ordered Rubens to let him through ffs. They couldn't even let poor Rubens have one victory because of lord Michael. That was the last F1 race I ever watched until the start of last season.

He's a great driver, but he and Ferarri are responsible for making the sport so dull I can't help but hate them for that. That's why I love the sport is so close and exciting now, even with Vettel dominating at the moment.
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It wasn't Ferrari/Schumacher that ruined the sport because of being so fast. It was the other teams that weren't capable of building a car that was fast enough to compete against the Ferrari. If anything, you should hate these other teams for sucking for years.
 
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