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The Formula 1 2011 Season of Vettel Fingering the Competition |OT|

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RomanticHeroX

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If Vettel were penalized for the amount of moving he made at the start absolutely everyone else on the grid would've deserved it too. There's weaving at the start, that's just how it is, and Vettel isn't more severe with it than anyone else. He also would've stuffed it straight into the back of Webber if he didn't swerve to the outside.
 
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S. L.

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RomanticHeroX said:
If Vettel were penalized for the amount of moving he made at the start absolutely everyone else on the grid would've deserved it too. There's weaving at the start, that's just how it is, and Vettel isn't more severe with it than anyone else. He also would've stuffed it straight into the back of Webber if he didn't swerve to the outside.
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yea whining about that is ridiculous. or maybe he is trolling
 
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Stewards do not look at weaving right after start, because it is impossible to obey 'two move' rule when you are driving 'for your life'. Weaving during the race is much more closely observed and driver will get reprimand or penalty if he continues with this (weaving like drunk person while defending position).

But this is stewards decision.
 
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The bbc's f1 coverage has won a bafta for last years abu dhabi grand prix.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/formula_one/13496117.stm

BBC Sport's coverage of the 2010 Abu Dhabi Grand Prix has been honoured with a Bafta television award.

The programme, hosted by Jake Humphrey, captured all the action and drama as Red Bull driver Sebastian Vettel clinched the Formula 1 world title.

BBC Sport had two other nominated productions: Wales v England in the Six Nations, and its coverage of Wimbledon.

ITV's coverage of the Chelsea's FA Cup Final victory over Portsmouth was also shortlisted by Bafta.

"The team are delighted," said Ben Gallop, the BBC's head of F1.

"It was a fantastic season last year and the climax of the campaign in Abu Dhabi was amazing.

"We feel privileged to bring that excitement to the viewers at home.

"We tried to get the audience as close as possible to the action and this award is testament to the brilliant efforts of the on-air talent, the production team and our technical crew, who have put in an fantastic effort throughout the season."
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Edmond Dantès said:
I'd assume that the press will be calling for the head of Domenicali.
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Couldn't find any articles like that on La Republica or La Gazzetta. Maybe it's too early, but i'm sure we'll see those in the coming week(s). Right now it's about the humiliation for Alonso getting lapped at home and what a massacre the race was for Ferrari.
 
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I cant believe that vettel got away with even more weaving from the start yet again.
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I'm assuming this is a joke? He was trying to get around Webber at the start... didn't really have much of a chance to weave about (aside from the fact that it's already been stated that there are no penalties for blocking more than once at the start).
 
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AcridMeat

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Watched the race on Speed with a buddy, few thoughts. Damn it Hami/Vettel for not getting it done in those 10 laps. Alonso's start was amazing to see. What happened to Massa? The TV coverage didn't even mention him being out once, I had to point it out on the ticker to my friend.

Insane that Hamilton and Vettel were lapping Schumacher in 6th.
 
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Shaneus

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AcridMeat said:
Insane that Hamilton and Vettel were lapping Schumacher in 6th.
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And Alonso!

Fucking sucked for Webber, too. I reckon not being able to get past Alonso before he pitted cost him greatly. Perhaps they should've put him on some kind of 3-stopper as well given how good he is at preserving tyres (usually).
 
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brotkasten

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AcridMeat said:
Watched the race on Speed with a buddy, few thoughts. Damn it Hami/Vettel for not getting it done in those 10 laps. Alonso's start was amazing to see. What happened to Massa? The TV coverage didn't even mention him being out once, I had to point it out on the ticker to my friend.

Insane that Hamilton and Vettel were lapping Schumacher in 6th.
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Massa realized how useless he is and parked his car.
 
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S. L.

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Shaneus said:
Perhaps they should've put him on some kind of 3-stopper as well given how good he is at preserving tyres (usually).
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wut, not trying to troll Webber here but he hasn't exactly stood out this season for being easy on the tyres. About the same as Vettel with actually a slight edge for Vettel - Webber had some fairly off races regarding tyre use like Australia.
 
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Shaneus

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I guess I meant he seems to be less aggressive on the tyres, but his style definitely isn't having the effect on how long he can make them last compared to, say, Button.

I'm just trying to think of a way he can actually win races this year but there's nothing putting him above Vettel or even Hamilton... car, driving style or much else :(
 
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dubc35

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Pretty much epic timing today, I got on the plane in LA and was able to watch the replay on Speed during the flight. I was thinking I wouldn't be able to watch it until tomorrow evening when I got home from work. Amazing drive by Vettel. It's almost a given they have problems with KERS yet they still place well. I thought for sure Lewis would overtake him in the last couple laps but he was able to get on it early enough to keep him off. Side note, this is the first time I've watched Speed coverage of F1 in 2-3 years. BBC coverage FTW!
 
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OMFG HOLY MOTHER OF MARY IN HEAVEN I CANT BELIEVE IT WTF WHERE ARE MY SEDATIVES AAAAHHH
It was a good race. Better than Turkey
 
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Dead Man

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http://planetf1.com/news/3213/6946334/-Ban-Diffusers-Or-We-ll-Protest-Monaco-
Hispania Racing team boss Colin Kolles has called on FIA President Jean Todt to ban the latest aerodynamic device immediately.

Kolles had on Saturday threatened to protest the result of the Spanish Grand Prix which could have caused chaos, but has opted to put that hold on for a week.

Instead, he has written a letter to Todt airing his grievances, and has warned if no action is taken prior to next Sunday's Monaco Grand Prix then he will protest.

Kolles' anger centres around what is known as the off-throttle blown diffuser, a device aided by hot air from exhaust gases that helps increase downforce and maintains stabilisation of the car.

Kolles told Press Association Sport: "We have written a letter to the president of the FIA asking for the exhausts to be banned immediately because they are against the regulations.

"The letter has been signed and sent. I'm obviously expecting a response before next weekend's race.

"If there is no change then we will have no other choice but to protest."

Kolles claims he has FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting on his side, with the two men seen in conversation in the paddock at the Circuit de Catalunya in Barcelona.

Asked about Whiting's view, Kolles said: "That we are right, this is my understanding. Everybody knows, or should know, that we are right."

Explaining why he feels he has a case, Kolles said: "When you have a blown exhaust, and you are on full throttle, it blows air into the diffuser and you have more downforce.

"But now the blown exhaust has been taken to a different level where cars are able to use hot gases when they are off the throttle.

"So you are influencing by use of your foot the aerodynamics, and not only by the use of your foot, but also the valves and pistons inside the engine.

"They are moving, but you are not allowed to use anything that moves to influence the aerodynamics. It has to be all fixed.

"That is very clear."
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I think that is a pretty weak argument.
 
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Aye, I know nothing about the regulations, but even I'd expect it to be that the part being affected by the air flow has to be fixed, not the source of the air flow.

edit: mind you, if that was the case then we'd probably still have the fan car, so I'm no doubt completely wrong.
 
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Dead Man

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moojito said:
Aye, I know nothing about the regulations, but even I'd expect it to be that the part being affected by the air flow has to be fixed, not the source of the air flow.

edit: mind you, if that was the case then we'd probably still have the fan car, so I'm no doubt completely wrong.
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Yeah, fair call, I still think it's a bit of a silly decision if they do ban it though. It is using an existing airflow, not one created specifically for aerodynamic purposes.
 
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DrM

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Orgun

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AcridMeat said:
Watched the race on Speed with a buddy, few thoughts. Damn it Hami/Vettel for not getting it done in those 10 laps. Alonso's start was amazing to see. What happened to Massa? The TV coverage didn't even mention him being out once, I had to point it out on the ticker to my friend.

Insane that Hamilton and Vettel were lapping Schumacher in 6th.
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Speed must have had an advert, we saw Massa driving onto the gravel and parking it on the BBC feed.
 
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AcridMeat

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Orgun said:
Speed must have had an advert, we saw Massa driving onto the gravel and parking it on the BBC feed.
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Son of a biiiitch. They should have at least had the replay or mentioned it.

edit: On a related note, I think my friend and I are going to go with BBC coverage from now on. Speed is only showing Monaco at 4 in the morning.
 
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ashk

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Dead Man said:
Yeah, fair call, I still think it's a bit of a silly decision if they do ban it though. It is using an existing airflow, not one created specifically for aerodynamic purposes.
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But blowing exhaust gases when off-throttle wasn't an existing airflow, it was created specifically for aerodynamic purposes.
 
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Dead Man

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ashk said:
But blowing exhaust gases when off-throttle wasn't an existing airflow, it was created specifically for aerodynamic purposes.
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I am not fully versed with the design of the blown diffuser, but it seems like the complaint would apply to on throttle exhaust blown diffusers too. Which is hardly a new airflow. For that matter, I am not aware of the manner in which the off throttle develop airflow. So maybe you have a point, but when they are complaining about pistons being the moving parts, it surely applies to on throttle blown diffusers as well.
 
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S. L.

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Dead Man said:
I am not fully versed with the design of the blown diffuser, but it seems like the complaint would apply to on throttle exhaust blown diffusers too. Which is hardly a new airflow. For that matter, I am not aware of the manner in which the off throttle develop airflow. So maybe you have a point, but when they are complaining about pistons being the moving parts, it surely applies to on throttle blown diffusers as well.
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even more so than off throttle as you influence it by stepping on the throttle.
it's a pretty weak argument, but those decisions are more about politics than logic
 
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S. L. said:
even more so than off throttle as you influence it by stepping on the throttle.
it's a pretty weak argument, but those decisions are more about politics than logic
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It's about slowing down Vettel, isn't it? :/
 
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ashk

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Dead Man said:
I am not fully versed with the design of the blown diffuser, but it seems like the complaint would apply to on throttle exhaust blown diffusers too. Which is hardly a new airflow. For that matter, I am not aware of the manner in which the off throttle develop airflow. So maybe you have a point, but when they are complaining about pistons being the moving parts, it surely applies to on throttle blown diffusers as well.
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I agree with you regarding the silly piston complaint, and this whole thing doesn't make complete sense to me either. But the reason I was arguing the off-throttle blowing is that they aren't planning to ban blown diffusers altogether, just the off-throttle blowing. Which they have done prior to Barcelona (reducing off-throttle emissions to 10%) before changing their mind.

Regarding the on-throttle side of the argument: I think it's legal since you're just exploiting a by-product of stepping on the throttle, an airflow that's necessary and unremovable. It's not like you can step on the throttle anytime you want to increase the downforce delivered by the diffuser (as you could with the F-duct, except it was about lowering downforce), so (IMO) you can't consider it a movable aerodynamic device.
 
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ashk said:
I agree with you regarding the silly piston complaint, and this whole thing doesn't make complete sense to me either. But the reason I was arguing the off-throttle blowing is that they aren't planning to ban blown diffusers altogether, just the off-throttle blowing. Which they have done prior to Barcelona (reducing off-throttle emissions to 10%) before changing their mind.

Regarding the on-throttle side of the argument: I think it's legal since you're just exploiting a by-product of stepping on the throttle, an airflow that's necessary and unremovable. It's not like you can step on the throttle anytime you want to increase the downforce delivered by the diffuser (as you could with the F-duct, except it was about lowering downforce), so (IMO) you can't consider it a movable aerodynamic device.
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Scarbs to the rescue: http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/category/exhaust-driven-diffuser/

If a team want to really exploit the benefits of an EBD then they need to resolve this off-throttle problem. Last year Red Bull exploited a different mapping of the engine when off throttle (see http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/red-bull-map-q-the-secret-to-the-teams-q3-pace/ ). By retarding the ignition when the driver lifts off, the fuel is no longer burnt inside a closed combustion chamber, but instead the fuel and air burn in the exhaust pipe, the expandign gasses blow out of the exhaust exit as though the engine is running . This creates a more constant flow of exhaust gasses between on and off throttle. The problem here is that the mapping uses more fuel and creates excessive heat in the exhaust pipe and at the exhaust valve. Renault reported that both Red Bull and Renault used 10% more fuel in Melbourne compared to last year, most likely due to these off-throttle mappings.
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which makes it sound like it does not involve any moving parts at all since the combustion is happening outside the engine. Maybe you could argue the valves, but they are moving regardless.

Edit: What I mean to say is if the on throttle is legal, it seems the off throttle must be too. But hey, sense has never featured large in the FIA decisions. :)
 
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Sew

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One of our local commentators was talking about RBR using laser guidance for faster / more accurate wheel swaps.
 
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S. L.

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Sew said:
One of our local commentators was talking about RBR using laser guidance for faster / more accurate wheel swaps.
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whatever they and many other do, it certainly is faster than Ferraris pit stops
 
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zomgbbqftw

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DrM said:
Ferrari to Pirelli - alter those hard tyres, 'cause we suck on them
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91669

Also, been looking on pit stop times and Hamilton lost almost 2 seconds during all pits stops combined. RBR mechanics are robots, all pits done in less then 4 seconds.
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Yeah, I saw that. Ferrari need to suck it up and fix their downforce problems.

Indeed. McLaren should get to fixing that, it cost Hamilton the win IMO.
 
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Foliorum Viridum

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Pretty good race overall. Was nice to see Button on the podium, but it was a shame Webber struggled so much. I want the Aussie to get a few wins this season.

My main complaint would be the lack of DRS action. The race felt a bit more "pure" but definitely less eventful. Luckily the tyres/strategies made it an exciting race, but they need a new DRS zone for next year.

Also, where the hell are the crashes? I'm seriously starting to crave some. If Monaco doesn't have at least a few big ones I'll be very sad.
 
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Renault: Kubica unlikely to race in 2011

Renault team owner Gerard Lopez says Robert Kubica could assess his fitness by driving in a Friday practice session at a grand prix later this year - but reckons it is highly unlikely that the Pole will be fit enough to race again during 2011.

Kubica is continuing his rehabilitation at home following the rally crash nearly four months ago that left him with multiple injuries including a partially severed right arm.
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"We'll probably get him to test on a Friday at some point during the year, but I'm sure his return is not possible this year," Lopez told Spanish radio station Onda Cero.

Lopez warned that it was still too early to say if Kubica would even be able to continue his F1 career, let alone to predict his return.
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