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[Dilly]

Dropping a single place in the current race isn't really a valid penalty though, is it? If it was any other time of the race, it'd be drive-through or it'd be a penalty in the next race, depending on the severity.

Don't think I've ever seen a penalty that resulted in just losing one spot, unless there was a massive gap between them and two spots back (or however it shakes out).

No, I don't think that's possible.

 

[Omiee]

Dropping a single place in the current race isn't really a valid penalty though, is it? If it was any other time of the race, it'd be drive-through or it'd be a penalty in the next race, depending on the severity.

Don't think I've ever seen a penalty that resulted in just losing one spot, unless there was a massive gap between them and two spots back (or however it shakes out).

To be honest as much as i love Vettel the normal penalties handed to other drivers this season has been 5 place grid penalties and time penalties. I'd rather have him get a time penalty than he getting a 5 grid place penalty for the next race.

 

[brotkasten]

Mansell tearing it up

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCiWf7WEViM

He's playing with assists on. Booooo!

 

[Adamm]

Dropping a single place in the current race isn't really a valid penalty though, is it? If it was any other time of the race, it'd be drive-through or it'd be a penalty in the next race, depending on the severity.

Don't think I've ever seen a penalty that resulted in just losing one spot, unless there was a massive gap between them and two spots back (or however it shakes out).

Yeah, it will be 20s penalty or 5 place drop next race.

 

[Omiee]

Yeah, it will be 20s penalty or 5 place drop next race.

20s would mean he is 4th. Thats better than a 5 grid penalty for the next race i reckon.

 

[pants]

So Massa.

I think at this point Ferrari are better off giving Algesuari the rest of the season in the car and then looking at their options towards the end of the season. Investing any further time in Massa is a waste of resources.

 

[navanman]

I had sauber and RBR in my fantasy team. Should score some decent points.

 

[smiggyRT]

10 second penalty would drop him to 3rd
15 second penalty to 4th
20 second penalty to 5th

 

[Omiee]

So Massa.

I think at this point Ferrari are better off giving Algesuari the rest of the season in the car and then looking at their options towards the end of the season. Investing any further time in Massa is a waste of resources.

I think he brings in a lot of money for Ferrari.

 

[Xun]

I've said it before, but that Ferrari is definitely a very good car now. It's simply Massa who can't keep up with Alonso.

 

[Omiee]

Anyone going to watch the tour de france? They are in paris right now. Wiggins is going to win it.

 

[Ark]

If Vettel doesn't get a penalty then I give up on this season.

Anyone going to watch the tour de france? They are in paris right now. Wiggins is going to win it all.

Just goes to show that us Brits can win some things.

 

[Dilly]

I've said it before, but that Ferrari is definitely a very good car now. It's simply Massa who can't keep up with Alonso.

No doubt, Ferrari did a great job bringing that car up to pace, Alonso did a great job doing damage control in the first few races.

 

[navanman]

I've said it before, but that Ferrari is definitely a very good car now. It's simply Massa who can't keep up with Alonso.

Yep, may not the fastest package but with Alonso driving it it's the most consistent.

 

[brotkasten]

So Massa.

I think at this point Ferrari are better off giving Algesuari the rest of the season in the car and then looking at their options towards the end of the season. Investing any further time in Massa is a waste of resources.

I was told that Felipe is back to his old performance. And after he slipped in Monaco and the race after that, he certainly is.

 

[Dilly]

So Massa.

I think at this point Ferrari are better off giving Algesuari the rest of the season in the car and then looking at their options towards the end of the season. Investing any further time in Massa is a waste of resources.

I could score pas many points as Massa did this season so far.

 

[brotkasten]

Herbert, as a former steward, agrees that Vettel got an unfair advantage out of this.

 

[Omiee]

I was told that Felipe is back to his old performance. And after he slipped in Monaco and the race after that, he certainly is.

He really got unlucky today because he could have fought for some good points today with the saubers.

I know its not F1 but RIP

http://www.supersport.com/motorsport/article.aspx?Id=1491431

rganisers say an Italian driver and navigator have been killed in an explosive crash at an annual rally in the Tuscan city of Lucca.

The 47th Lucca City Cup rally was canceled early Sunday after driver Valerio Catelani and navigator Daniela Bertoneri were killed in their Peugeot 207 S2000.

In a statement, the rally organisers said the two were a few kilometres (miles) into the "Brancoli" leg, at shortly after 4 a.m. local time (0200 GMT), when their car slammed into a protective barrier and burst into flames.

In June, a Welsh navigator, Gareth Roberts, was killed during the Targa Florio rally around northern Siciliy when his car went off the road and a guard rail pierced the passenger side.

Lucca is about 75 kilometres (45 miles) west of Florence.

 

[Adamm]

If ferrari had a decent 2nd driver they would probably be leading the WCC aswell by now.

87% of Ferrari's points are from Alonso

 

[The Super Bob]

Can they give a 5 second penalty? I though minimum was 20s

From what I remember of the regulations (I can't access them right now) they can give anything from a 10, 20 or 30 second penalty, grid place penalty, reprimand, suspension, grid place penalty for the next race or removal from race classification.

I don't think the regulations allow for dropping of one place. If it happened earlier on the race they could have ordered him to give the place back while racing.

Rules are perfectly clear, you have to race within he limits of the track and you cannot gain an advantage from driving off the track.

I'd be very surprised if he doesn't get a penalty. I'd think it would be a 10 or 20 second penalty.

 

[SunhiLegend]

Massa helped Alonso in the win today, his incident on the first lap lead to Hamiltons puncture ;p
Ferrari should just use him if they need a safety car, no one would suspect Massa of making a mistake on purpose.

 

[Ark]

If ferrari had a decent 2nd driver they would probably be leading the WCC aswell by now.

87% of Ferrari's points are from Alonso

Ferrari can't deal with two class drivers. They need a new Barrichello.

 

[Dilly]

Massa helped Alonso in the win today, his incident on the first lap lead to Hamiltons puncture ;p
Ferrari should just use him if they need a safety car, no one would suspect Massa of making a mistake on purpose.

Well, they found out about Piquet eventually.

 

[Septimius]

Vettel won't get a penalty. Let's not get too uptight here.

 

[smiggyRT]

That replay of the McLaren stop

Stunning.

 

[Omiee]

Massa helped Alonso in the win today, his incident on the first lap lead to Hamiltons puncture ;p
Ferrari should just use him if they need a safety car, no one would suspect Massa of making a mistake on purpose.

I think the pace hamilton showed today by battling alonso is a proof how he could have won the race if he did not get a puncture.

That replay of the McLaren stop

Stunning.

DEF!! can we have a gif of that pleasee

 

[olore]

I could stop posting if it makes it easier for some of you.

Please

Why did Lewis retire?

 

[brotkasten]

At this point, Lewis was a better help to Fernando this race than Massa was all season. Great teamwork with holding up Vettel and Button later in the race.

 

[Dilly]

At this point, Lewis was a better help to Fernando this race than Massa was all season. Great teamwork with holding up Vttel and Button later in the race.

Seriously, he pretty much broke Vettel's attack on Alonso.

 

[Omiee]

Please

Why did Lewis retire?

Gearbox change and engine rest for the next race.

They were not going to get any points.

If they retire they can change the gearbox free of penalty.

 

[SunhiLegend]

At this point, Lewis was a better help to Fernando this race than Massa was all season. Great teamwork with holding up Vttel and Button later in the race.

http://i.imgur.com/RvQ7s.png[IMG][/QUOTE]

Haha, exactly.

 

[Septimius]

I think the pace hamilton showed today by battling alonso is a proof how he could have won the race if he did not get a puncture.

What proof? I saw a car on fresh tyres not getting past a car on old tyres. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done, but I did not see any proof.

 

[Fantomex]

Please

Why did Lewis retire?

They haven't said but I'm thinking saving car/gearboxes since there was no chance for points.

 

[Dilly]

Horner doesn't make sense. Then again, it's his job.

 

[JehutyRunner]

Horner talking bollocks, then.

 

[brotkasten]

Horner doesn't make sense. Then again, it's his job.

What else is he supposed to say? "Yeah, I'm okay with Vettel getting penalized. Clearly his fault."

 

[Ark]

Horner doesn't make sense. Then again, it's his job.

Bring back Ron Dennis, he'll show Horner how controversy is done properly.

 

[nny]

Horner fighting the British "oh yeah? and about Lewis?"

 

[Dilly]

And complaining about Hamilton.

 

[Ce-Lin]

Yep, may not the fastest package but with Alonso driving it it's the most consistent.

spot on, pretty much both the RBR and the McLaren were on par if not faster than the Ferrari but Fernando Alonso always makes a difference, always, this man with a dominant car would have broken every record already.

What proof? I saw a car on fresh tyres not getting past a car on old tyres. I'm not saying it couldn't have been done, but I did not see any proof.

yep, Hamilton was determined to get Alonso no matter what but he couldn't, even if he got past Vettel rather easily

 

[brotkasten]

Hahhaha, Horner is great. "Well, it wasn't against the rules, but it wasn't very sporty."

 

[Dilly]

Hahhaha, Horner is great. "Well, it wasn't against the rules, but it wasn't very sporty."

But Hamilton didn't make a move against Alonso!

BFF's

 

[Ark]

Hahhaha, Horner is great. "Well, it wasn't against the rules, but it wasn't very sporty."

Bit like that software, hmm.

 

[Wax Free Vanilla]

Horner is a smug gobshite, if there isn't a time penalty somebody has been paid off.

 

[smiggyRT]

They haven't said but I'm thinking saving car/gearboxes since there was no chance for points.

I think it actually lets them change the gearbox without incurring a 5 place grid penalty for the next race.

 

[Deadman]

Dont they have to prove the gearbox was the reason for retirement in order to get a free change?

 

[pants]

At the very least im about 95.99% sure Ferrari will have one new driver next year.

 

[Xun]

The Sky coverage really is a joke compared to the BBC coverage. It lacks soul.

 

[Sleeplessnights]

Glad I avoided this thread.

It's been really rough this year, I'm here for the GIFs only.

 

[JehutyRunner]

The Sky coverage really is a joke compared to the BBC coverage. It lacks soul.

There's a part of me that hopes Humphrey moves to Sky Sports for next season, but I get the feeling they're grooming him for MOTD whenever the time comes that Lineker leaves.