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The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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Someone is getting fired, I don't know if that person works for Mercedes, Pirelli or the FIA but they are getting very fired.
brotkasten
Member
Nevermind!
e: Seems fitting. Boring outcome for a boring race after all.
e: Seems fitting. Boring outcome for a boring race after all.
olore
Member
Q F T - excellent verdict
Terbinator
Member
But Pat Symonds didn't get his way.
giant_frying_pan
Member
I can't believe that Hamilton and the whole of Team Mercedes-Benz are not being executed for this flagrant war crime. Ridiculous.
theignoramus
Member
The filthy cheaters DQ them!
This sounds more like FIA making new rules without thinking them through properly than Mercedes cheating.
If they intended to do this, they wouldn't give the push call in the last 5 laps.
If they intended to do this, they wouldn't give the push call in the last 5 laps.
brotkasten
Member
man Alonsos situation is such a sad waste of talent.I will never forget his amazing years at Ferrari.
@mercedes: as expected. I'm not even mad.
But is his situation now really that much worse than still being at Ferrari?
Sure, he would've gotten a win or two and would consistently land on the podium.
But like he said recently, Ferrari has not really improved. They're in no position to win any kind of championship. At least he took a risk with McLaren. It might not have paid off, but stagnating and being on the same spot over and over again was probably too frustrating for him.
aspiegamer
Member
This sounds like a pretty objective explanation of their decision. I do hope this means they actually start enforcing pressures and cambers in the future (and this should mean doing more than checking the cars at the front).
Been awhile since we had a good 'ol fashioned "omg, Ferrari are about to be get special treatment from the stewards" incident! Decision wasn't released until the parking lot cleared out I'm going to assume. At minimum, until they could secure a helicopter for a quick escape. In fairness, the crowd seemed fine with this result and doubt will have a problem with an actual investigation being carried out.
Been awhile since we had a good 'ol fashioned "omg, Ferrari are about to be get special treatment from the stewards" incident! Decision wasn't released until the parking lot cleared out I'm going to assume. At minimum, until they could secure a helicopter for a quick escape. In fairness, the crowd seemed fine with this result and doubt will have a problem with an actual investigation being carried out.
Lol nice
theignoramus
Member
He's being well compensated for his pains, but yes it is a waste of his talent.man Alonsos situation is such a sad waste of talent.
@mercedes: as expected. I'm not even mad.
The whole thing raises more questions for the FIA/Pirelli.
- Why are only the first 4 cars tested?
- Why was tyre temperature not considered before summoning Mercedes?
- Mercedes were deemed to have followed correct procedure, supervised by Pirelli. Why are the team therefore the first to have the blame assigned?
The stewards' conclusion at the end of the statement is basically "the FIA and Pirelli have a poor procedure in place". Embarrassing.
- Why are only the first 4 cars tested?
- Why was tyre temperature not considered before summoning Mercedes?
- Mercedes were deemed to have followed correct procedure, supervised by Pirelli. Why are the team therefore the first to have the blame assigned?
The stewards' conclusion at the end of the statement is basically "the FIA and Pirelli have a poor procedure in place". Embarrassing.
- 4 cars selected randomly at each race, just happened to be the first 4 here.
- Stupid oversight in relatively new (and recently amended) directives
- They weren't, the media did that. Innocent until proven guilty and all that.
theignoramus
Member
Mercedes fucked Rosberg over not putting in a new PU and eating the grid penalty...he probably would have came in 3 or 4th.
Terbinator
Member
|OT2| It was alright when I left.
massivekettle
Member
They can only bring 2 PUs per race; in this case, the new Monza-spec one and the Spa one as backup. Not sure they could have flown another PU in time...
Beside, they may have only had 2 new spec PUs available, one for HAM and one for ROS.
aspiegamer
Member
That was not the situation. They only had 2 new spec engines. Nico's had an issue in FP3. There was no other new spec engine to put in so they had to put in what was already ready to go as the second unit they brought. Frankly it's a miracle that they even managed to change that so quickly.
Rosberg completely deserved 3rd and what happened to him is no fault of his own. Impossible to argue against that.
I'd also like to know what took so long to inform the team. If this is an alleged safety issue why were the cars not black flagged immediately and forced to pit? Is the process so inefficient it actually takes an hour to shuffle the results around? If so, why even both with these rules if they're barely enforceable and cannot be done in a timely manner? They're not actually promoting safety when done this way. Sort of like if you checked someone through a metal detector on their way out of a stadium instead of in.
The concern might be that they don't immediately inform because they might be wrong about it (like they were in this case!), which just means the policy is even more stupid. Even if there is an apparent safety infraction they can only talk about it after the race and well after the time of concern had passed? Why bother?
olore
Member
grey area. FIA not having shiz 100% locked down in TD and TR
OT2| It won't reach one this season.
- If so then fair enough, it can happen by chance naturally.
- Point taken, I suppose we have been conditioned that being summoned is more like being arrested than just being asked to explain yourself.
Fuss over 0.3psi in a cold tyre has been the highlight of the weekend.
massivekettle
Member
And that Ferrari has a more powerful Q3 engine mode than before; will make Saturdays much more interesting, especially if the Mercedes are not in good form.
I doubt that Ferrari will be so close anywhere for the remainder of the season --> shifting focus on 2016 when they will have a better car etc etc.
Mercedes tyre inflater caught in the act:
The hate is real.
Mercedes slip on their headphones...
"I'll be up up and away
up up and away
cuz they gon' judge me anyway so whatever
I'll be up up and away
up up and away
cuz in the end they'll judge me anyway so whatever"
scorcher59
Member
Ron Dennis is still living in the 80's he's completely isolated from reality, and it shows in the team FOR SURE.
The whole tyre fiasco really just left a bad taste for the rule makers now (FIA) and Pirelli, that just when they decide to inforce changes based on safety through procedures, they just find out that those procedures are not entirely clear. Speaks of implementing things without actually thinking them through and more of a "kneejerk" reaction to the ferrari spa tyre blowout.
There was a mighty big question mark over the new engine spec for Merc during qualifying, I honestly believe that they didn't go full bore due to that which in turn made the gap seem a bit smaller then it should.
Monza was a one off and the most power dependent track on the grid. Merc's gonna walk the remaining 7 Saturdays.
Funny how last season everyone was killing for Jenson to stay over K-Mag.. be careful what you wish for i guess.. The highlight of Jenson's career is Canada 2011.
Oh, and someone made an avatar bet with me earlier in the season that Max wouldn't finish the season ahead of Sainz.. lolz. Can't wait till the kid gets in a race winning car. It's gonna be glorious.
#TheStappening
'It's far too early at this stage to blame kimi for fucking it all up by himself'.
I don't think button is doing too badly taking alonso as a benchmark for him.
massivekettle
Member
Read on Autosport that Ferrari will be dual-tracking. They clearly have the budget to do so. Regarding Mercedes, they are definitely shifting to 2016 now, on both the engine and the chassis.
Maybe - I guess we will see in 2 weeks. It was very, very tight last year at Singapore.
Highlight of Jenson's career, for me, is Japan 2011. Canada 2011, I see more as a fluke win.
If anything, Mercedes should have destroyed Ferrari this weekend. They have done so today in the race (exceptional pace, fuel mileage and tyre management), but did not in qualifying. I think that it's a mix of conservative settings for Mercedes in Q3 and aggressive settings for Ferrari.
Button is doing a very good job all things considered. Would make sense to keep him for 2016 and place Vandoorne as a test driver or place him at Manor or Haas.
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
I'm hoping that it's kimi who fucked it up. I'm tired of his bad luck
I wouldn't even use Alonso this season as benchmark for Button. The car performance varies wildly between the two most weekends. Alonso even said so today.
Button should retire, as should Kimi and Massa. Their careers have nothing more left to give. Let the young bloods in.
massivekettle
Member
Then Alonso should retire too... because Button is pretty much matching him.
And same for Kimi...
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Everyone should retire. F1 is a fad
Myoclonic Jerk
Member
Kimi says it's a clutch issue -http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120692
Fuck this
Fuck this
I hope so, would be a massive confidence boost if they can genuinely trump Mercedes a couple of times near the end of this season. There's nothing inherently wrong with it either assuming your next car is an evolution of the previous, and as you say, have the budget.