There was some at the start, from Button's car, for example. Felt less during the race though, yeah -- guess either something didn't work or there just wasn't much to show.
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The Formula 1 2015 Season |OT| Formula E Feeder Series
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king picollo
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So disappointed with that first race. I don't know what's worse Mercedes running away with it again, McLaren doing so badly or so many retirements.
Something needs to happen this season or it's going to be a boring.
Something needs to happen this season or it's going to be a boring.
We'll soon see if it has been being done if after the change any team dramatically changes pace.
Why they never measured at the injectors before is a mystery.
Bearing in mind if anyone were doing it, any customer teams would also have had access to it. I wonder where this has come from.
EDIT: Seems Horner wants the FIA to use the torque data and other engine data they collect from each car to "equalise" the field. Maybe if they had access to the load sensors which showed downforce they could have done that while Red Bull were owning everyone. He really is the worst loser in F1 in years.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/118078
Toto has a reply though
Cheeseman Battitude
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It's just the usual Ferrari technique of making sure the number two doesn't score.
brotkasten
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Do we know when Ferrari will bring their short nose and what gains one can expect from it?
The short nose will enable better pit stops.
Mohonky
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Horner and Redbull in general are fucking idiots. I could never support them. Perpetual cheaters and the first to spit the dummy when shit isn't going their way.
"Our car isn't dominating; this isn't good for F1, the FIA should do something to level the playing field"
Go fuck yourself Horner you cry baby.
nature boy
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Most customer/vendor relationships aren't like F1 teams using start-of-the-art technologies and few customers to sell to, with embarrassing and very public results if the product fails. Supply and demand, and that's even more the case in F1.
Like I said, and to be perfectly clear, customer teams need permission to run at maximum power. That is my understanding of the situation. I might be wrong - and it wouldn't the first time - but that is my understanding. And by maximum power I mean (some) settings and parameters that are used by the works team.
I never said it was something exclusive to Mercedes. But Mercedes last year would strip Mclaren of their PUs at the GP venue, and Felipe Massa suspects thinks Williams is not getting equal engines. And I mentioned Mercedes by name because I remember the video with Williams and either Rob Smedley or Pat Simmonds. Can't find the link, so I really can't back it up.
nature boy
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That has F1 works: pushing the rules.
Ferrari did the same thing doing endless miles in Fiorano in the Schumi days. Not to mention they had Bridgestone working almost exclusively for them at one point.
Yep, you push what you can to borderline illegality until the FIA calls it quits. Anything to give you an edge.
Red Bull will be doing things chassis-wise that other teams haven't even thought of, so Horner can shut up about engine equalisation. Renault need to get their shit together, fast.
Red Bull will be doing things chassis-wise that other teams haven't even thought of, so Horner can shut up about engine equalisation. Renault need to get their shit together, fast.
I love F1, but this has to be the worst season opener I can remember, not because of Mercedes domination, because I love when a team works hard and gets his rewards, but due to the current global state:
-Small teams dissapearing
-Half of the teams with economic problems
-Except Mercedes or Ferrari everyone seems worse than last year
-Lots of european GPs with money problems too
-Engines seem more fragile than last year (I think the 4 engine rule will be dismissed in a few races)
-Pit-stop errors everywhere
-Tech regulations that make no sense year after year
-Budget limitations sometimes work in opossite ways, and kill small and private teams
-Coverage, website and F1 apps are absolute mediocre for a sport that should always be in the pinnacle of technologie and data mining for the fans...
-Small teams dissapearing
-Half of the teams with economic problems
-Except Mercedes or Ferrari everyone seems worse than last year
-Lots of european GPs with money problems too
-Engines seem more fragile than last year (I think the 4 engine rule will be dismissed in a few races)
-Pit-stop errors everywhere
-Tech regulations that make no sense year after year
-Budget limitations sometimes work in opossite ways, and kill small and private teams
-Coverage, website and F1 apps are absolute mediocre for a sport that should always be in the pinnacle of technologie and data mining for the fans...
If Williams were not getting equal hardware then Mercedes would be breaking the rules. They cannot supply different hardware to any car, all must be identical. There is more to the cars than the PU and WIlliams are still making their own gearboxes too don't forget while Mercedes have a cartridge system for theirs for better packaging.
Mercedes taking the McLaren PUs was understandable, they didn't want them poking around when they knew Honda were coming next year.
brotkasten
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Small teams have always come and gone, but it really does seem like there's no way to enter this sport in a meaningful way anymore, unless you're a constructor or an energy drink company. I do disagree about the second point, though. Not only have Mercedes and Ferrari made steps forward, but also Sauber and Lotus. Williams is still competitive as well. It's really only the Renault teams that seem to suffer. And Honda, of course. With how the season has started, I also think we're going back to last years limitations regarding the engine use. Even in testing it looked like Mercedes were the only gone going to flat out reliability (and they had the least wear last year, so it could be scary). The pit stop errors are likely not related to the current state of F1
lol). Absolutely agree with the rest, though.There wasn't much tyre talk today. Can't help but feel that if they'd needed 2 or 3 stops it would have led to some more interesting racing. Unsurprising that on a track where it's difficult to pass with tyres that can easily last half the race it was always going to be pretty dull.
theignoramus
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What a shit sportsman Christian Horner is.Quit whining you self entitled brat.
Small teams have always come and gone, but it really does seem like there's no way to enter this sport in a meaningful way anymore, unless you're a constructor or an energy drink company. I do disagree about the second point, though. Not only have Mercedes and Ferrari made steps forward, but also Sauber and Lotus. Williams is still competitive as well. It's really only the Renault teams that seem to suffer. And Honda, of course. With how the season has started, I also think we're going back to last years limitations regarding the engine use. Even in testing it looked like Mercedes were the only gone going to flat out reliability (and they had the least wear last year, so it could be scary). The pit stop errors are likely not related to the current state of F1
Well, you are right with the pit stops, but it was a rant about everthing that went wrong today.
F1 needs young blood and new ideas, we need more testing, we need cheaper fees, more equilibrate prices, we need more teams and cars in the grid, and in the last ten years everything looks made to prevent that
Regarding teams, I was hoping to see Williams closer to Mercedes, and the Renault debacle is strange, it's like they haven't learned anything from last year, when Honda gets their shit together and can use 100% of their engine I can see them fighting for podiums, they should look into providing some team with their engines, Manor should have been a good client.
Hey, I got 4th in our Gaf Predictions League. Given how gloriously messed up the race was, I'm very happy with that.
As for the race itself, it was an entertaining mess. I give it a bit of a pass for being the first race, but it's clear no one besides the Mercs were really ready. It's going to be Mercs year again. I've been prepared for that since the end of last season. What's got me excited is that the middle pack seems like they'll be really competitive when they get their shit together. Williams, Ferrari and maybe even McLaren and Red Bull once they're up to their potential will all have some really great podium fights this year. Nasr has proven he can drive that Sauber like it's nobody's business and the Toro Roso drivers both had great rookie debuts. If Lotus can make sure their car works, those 3 should have some really great fights as well. This is yet to mention that the Nico/Hamilton fight will likely be closer than ever.
So, yeah the constructor's championship is going to be garbage, and the title fight will be 2014 Round 2, but all and all I'm still really pumped to see it. Hopefully next season the Mercs can finally be caught, but I think I'll enjoy this year despite that.
As for the race itself, it was an entertaining mess. I give it a bit of a pass for being the first race, but it's clear no one besides the Mercs were really ready. It's going to be Mercs year again. I've been prepared for that since the end of last season. What's got me excited is that the middle pack seems like they'll be really competitive when they get their shit together. Williams, Ferrari and maybe even McLaren and Red Bull once they're up to their potential will all have some really great podium fights this year. Nasr has proven he can drive that Sauber like it's nobody's business and the Toro Roso drivers both had great rookie debuts. If Lotus can make sure their car works, those 3 should have some really great fights as well. This is yet to mention that the Nico/Hamilton fight will likely be closer than ever.
So, yeah the constructor's championship is going to be garbage, and the title fight will be 2014 Round 2, but all and all I'm still really pumped to see it. Hopefully next season the Mercs can finally be caught, but I think I'll enjoy this year despite that.
just watched the highlights on BBC iplayer, so it wasn't too boring. that mercedes dominance though... very happy to see a Ferrari up there
McLaren wasn't even that pathetic, Button was able to put up a fight against Perez. Impressed by Sauber given the pre-season clusterfuck.
He was? He finished a lap down to Perez I thought.
well yeah but during the race he did have a battle against perez and was able to keep him behind. for a while anyway. overall it's still absolutely pathetic of course.
to think that people actually said they'll challenge Mercedes haha
me included :/
Psychotext
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I doubt they'll even get top 5 before the season is out.
If anything, coming out and categorically stating that Wolff is not in line to replace Bottas if needed has harmed the team image. To me, it's a clear sign that Williams see her as nothing more than good PR. Why else would you not even consider promoting her to a race seat when she's done the most miles in the car compared to anyone outside the race drivers?
Which is a real shame.
mmazurkiewicz
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yeh i'll never wake up at odd hours of the night to watch these races anymore.
when they're in europe, fine, the races start at 8am here so i can watch them. but unless they turn things up, i won't be tuning into the asian/aus races.
TarpitCarnivore
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Hobbs and Matchet were speculating the contact in lap 1 could have led to the tire issues. His team tried to wave him, but he was given the go. Kimi shouldn't get too mad because Ferrari looks much better than they did last season and it's just been one race.
Smaller chance of rain though because the race is an hour earlier this year (right?)
Not wise. Better to convince another established supplier into the game and do an exclusive deal.
Red Bull BMW, Red Bull Audi or Red Bull Porsche seems like a better move if you ask me.
I thought it was pole, fastest lap and victory? I'm probably wrong, but that's what I thought it was :/
There are even more similarities I'm realising: Webber was at RBR until golden boy Vettel appeared and together they took the team to the Constructors' with Vettel taking out the WDC (barely). Webber defeated psychologically, Vettel goes on to win three more WDC. Identical to Mercedes: Rosberg there until Hamilton joins and Mercedes starts doing well, they go toe-to-toe with Hamilton edging Rosberg out in the last race.+1.
Rosberg's looked rough all weekend, not his usual tidy self.
I honestly reckon we'll see a 2011-style domination from Hamilton (and Mercedes) this year. Next year, rest of the teams will have caught up a little more, leading us to have a 2012-esque close(r) (relatively speaking) season before Mercedes pull away again in 2017.
Given Webber's strong association (still) with Red Bull and Porsche, I think it'd be a very wise move for Porsche to do something. I know they're invested in LMP1 now, but with the similarity (from what I can tell) of LMP1 engines to F1 engines, maybe it wouldn't be that big a stretch.
Souldestroyer Reborn
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Audi is a no go unless Bernie goes as Audi is part of the VAG group who have explicitly said that for as long as Bernie is involved with F1 they won't be anywhere near it.
Porsche are invested in other motor sports, would be cool to see them but I don't believe they would join as a works team. (I'd have liked a Lotus works team but whatever) would be interesting but they'd be more of a partner team if it were to happen imho.
As for BMW? Well, in the consumer market they are rivals with Mercedes and Audi. They make rear wheel drive cars. I could see it happening. They may look at the situation that if Bernie was to leave and VAG got involved, they'd be out in the cold so to speak. They may want to get involved before VAG (If it were to happen) to get a head start. Plus they've been in F1 before, where they were relatively successful so it's a possibility. The only sticky point would be building cars relevant to road cars, they didn't like the regulations (or Bernie) so yeah...
Opus Angelorum
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Horner is so salty.
Redbull dominated for 2/3 seasons and never once spoke of equalising the field.
Pick up your toys and kindly fuck off.
Redbull dominated for 2/3 seasons and never once spoke of equalising the field.
Pick up your toys and kindly fuck off.
Cooper on the RBR business: http://adamcooperf1.com/2015/03/15/horner-denies-that-mateschitz-wants-to-sell-rbr-as-audi-waits-in-wings/
He also seems pretty confident in Haas debuting well next year, as do I especially after seeing that Ferrari has seemingly turned things around.
He also seems pretty confident in Haas debuting well next year, as do I especially after seeing that Ferrari has seemingly turned things around.
Time of day isn't going to have a change on the weather. Hopefully Alonso is back and the McLaren can finish the race.
Yeah, I looked it up shortly after, didn't realise it was for leading all the laps. So he only could've gotten it if he had a big enough lead over Rosberg that regardless of who pits first, he'd still be in first place. Gotcha.
As I said before and Cooper says there. Red Bull are stuck with Renault. Nobody else will sell engines to a top team and the VAG group won't touch the sport till the gremlin us dead. I wouldn't expect BMW back until that happens either.
Them crying all the time only harms the relationship more.
Psychotext
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When he's pretty much won the championship after the 10th race he'll probably take to letting Rosberg pit first.