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Oh, and, Jeff Buckley. Voice of a generation right there.
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SecretMoblin
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I'm not going to go after Bey, because she's undoubtedly great. But she's hardly the "only" pop act whose live vocals are able to match the studio recordings. And "matching [the] recordings riff for riff" certainly isn't what I'm looking for in a live performer. Some of the greats, like Björk and Chaka, are able to have remarkable, unique performances of major songs in their repertoire every time they're out on stage. And plenty of pop acts, like Robyn, can sound much better singing live than they do on studio versions of their songs.
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Definitely one of the most insane things I have ever seen in this topic. Yes, beyonce has technique due to years upon years of vocal lessons, but masterclass is an overstatement. Beyonce is not a power house vocalist in the same category as xtina, celina, whitney, mimi, or even fantasia for that matter. I will give her due respect for adapting to her weakness by having incredible style.
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Was listening to this while walking home earlier and feel similarly about it. A few catchy, memorable tracks, some good beats, but a lot of 'meh' stuff that I'll probably never return to. Still, it's selling well, which at least gets us celebratory pics of Jake Shears' naked ass on Twitter.
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You've got it flipped. Beyonce is all technique, no style. Her TECHNICAL ABILITY rivals Whitney and Mariah, she doesn't have as high a range (as far as we know) and she doesn't necessarily have the power of a Whitney, but power is a small portion of the larger equation. She has smoothness, she can transition in registers like nobody else. It's her tone and STYLE that aren't unique or authentic enough to get her much attention to vocal enthusiasts. Someone like Christina is known for having a very unique style of singing and that's because she tends to YELL. Adele is in a similar field: all tone/style no technique. It's why her vocal chords kept sending her to the doctor's office. There is definitely a RIGHT way to sing a song, and it's all in positioning, body language, breathing, etc. Beyonce's obviously taken the right lessons to know these things, and it's evidenced in her live performances. She's a technical masterclass. Her voice isn't all that unique though.
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I believe you and I are 30% of this show's total viewers
We have!
But then you already know I am not at all impressed by that Porgy performance - or her lower register in general. That is her best lower register (and restrained) performance, but I am still not impressed by her lower register. It doesn't have any body to it and poor breath support. This idea that you have that, Adele aside, she has the best lower register in her generation is just silliness. Sure, she's better than singers like Kelly Clarkson or Leona Lewis - singers who have no lower register worth speaking of at all - but she's not anywhere near Adele, nor is she as good as Beyonce's. And while they started earlier (and are either dead or not as relevant), both Brandy and Aaliyah had better lower registers.
I don't think she's awful in that respect (though if I believed everything I read or saw, I would), but I think you overrate her lower register. She's got a pretty impressive lower extension for a soprano that could be more impressive if she ever supported it.
I don't take everything away from her!
- She has a very powerful voice
- She projects better than most
- She has a very pretty voice when she sings correctly
- She always has a very pretty falsetto
- Her stupid shit sounds awesome in studio
I just don't give her "lower register" and I have yet to see on-the-spot improvisation that I thought improved the song she was singing. And yes, there are competent belts, though they would appear to be less common than that phrasing implies.
Basically, I view Christina in relation to Mariah sort of the way we both view Adele in relation to Dusty.
Definitely.
Actually, I didn't really think of her as great - hell, good - singer until I was actually watching that video BZBlaner made. I'd always thought of her as "That girl whose daddy got her a girl group that was transparently a vehicle for her future solo career" and I never really listened to her or considered that she might be talented. <_<
Don't really know how I didn't hear it in retrospect.
"Oh"
So much for that, then.
I'm not sure if I completely agree with you.
I would personally rank Xtina a notch above Beyonce. Simply because when Xtina is on, she's on, and she still possesses the ability to surprise me with how she uses her voice. I feel like Beyonce has been singing the same exact way since Dangerously In Love, she's just gotten more competent at it. But she still posseses those same vocal misgivings that turn me off from being fully on board with her (dumber runs than Christina, an annoying fetish for crescendo and that damn echo filter).
BUT, I would place her in the same vocal league as Christina.
I feel like.. in a vocal battle Christina would make Beyonce disappear if she wanted to. Simply because Beyonce lacks the range to keep up with her. I'm not trying to shade Bey, but it's really about raw talent.
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This duets show is a mess.
kyon using one of my gifs
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<3 I had a Beyonce "gurl bye" gif that wasn't all that great thanks for making this. I'll make sure to use it often Crumpet Trumpet
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As usual pop gaf ignores the most important posts, like this one.
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Beyonce can definitely keep up with Xtina. Bee doesn't have the power, but power isn't everything whe it comes to vocals. I love her sweet voice.
And she's always in control and never oversings. Xtina's yelling can really get on my nerve sometimes.
Especially when she's singing live.
Talking about live...
Does Xtina even move when she sings??? She only focuses on her singing. NOT A GOOD LOOK. Bee has both covered: performance and singing. And she nails them both. Not many pop artist can say that. Especially not XLtina.
The energy that Bee radiates during a performance is unmatched. I've never seen Xtina do such thing. Definitely not as of late.
You just can't compare Bee with Xtina when it comes to total package. Bee is the better entertainer and artist in that regard. And she definitely looks better too.
I like Xtina, but Beyonce has that bitch covered on all fronts.
Had to get that off my chest
omg
the hype just keeps coming
I'm not sure if I'm ready.
I believe you and I are 30% of this show's total viewers
Such generosity. That show is beneath Kelly.
I believe you and I are 30% of this show's total viewers
No shade to your fave.....................................................but this is just proof that not just any-ol-body can flee to singing shows and be a success.
Well, the thing is Adele should have a better lower register. She's an Alto. Her voice naturally "sits" lower than Christina's.
And I personally think that the breathiness in that Porgy performance is intentional. I say that because, no matter how breathy she got in the low notes, her tone nevertheless stayed completely even, and never was she in danger of falling out of the note - which is what happens when a lot of girls try to sing "too" low for their voices.
I think Christina does that breathy thing because she's going for a sultry, chanteuse type performance. I get Julie London teas from that performance...and we all know how much Christina loves that era.
I feel like.. in a vocal battle Christina would make Beyonce disappear if she wanted to. Simply because Beyonce lacks the range to keep up with her. I'm not trying to shade Bey, but it's really about raw talent.
Actually...I agree. I feel like if this were a battle of pure range Beyonce might sound cleaner up-top (although, I'm noticing that she rarely goes for F5s anymore...). However, if someone handed both ladies a mic, put on a beat, and just said "Go IN," Christina would whoop dat ass. Christina has always been a more capable Soul singer than Beyonce
who largely gets a pass because she's black, if I'm being REAL here
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Lol amazing
Beyonce also performed last friday and she absolutely killed it. What is Xtina doing, besides waiting for the next Voice season. What a mess.
I disagree.
Beyonce keeps up in the lower belts (and is technically better, if you care), and she's stronger and healthier in the upper belts.
Christina might have a bigger voice but it is harder to tell when you're dealing with mic'd singers, and the difference between Christina and Beyonce certainly isn't on the level of the difference between, say, Whitney and Mariah (where Whitney clearly and undeniably has a bigger column of sound up through the top notes (though Mariah significantly closes the gap around F5 - G#5). And Beyonce is the one who has better technique and even if her voice is smaller in the absence of those things, I think that her superior projection means that her voice wouldn't be covered in a duet.
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Beyonce does not lack the range to keep up. Beyonce's actual range is G#2 - G#5 in modal and up to D6 in a properly connected head voice. She has more than three octaves of connected and well-supported range. Christina has a range of Bb2 - G#5 and and up to around G6/A6 in falsetto and up to ~C#7 in whistle. I don't know that she's ever sung in a connected head voice, and large portions of her range are unsupported. Christina has a larger overall range, but Beyonce's more competitive than you seem to believe.
She should have a better lower register than she does, to be frank.
Maybe.
I think she develops that foggy sort of unsupported sound below around... F3 - G#3 in her lower register. She has a fuller more rounded sound slightly higher in her lower register, which makes me think that it isn't intentional.
Might sound cleaner up top?
Though after you mentioned the F5 thing, I was watching a couple videos of more recent performances and it appears that you're right. Most of the F5 and up stuff in videos I've seen appears to be from 2005 - 2009.
I'll also mention the Stan Wars Wiki profile. This originally came up in the DJ room, and I can't remember if it was mentioned in the thread proper.
Beyonce can definitely keep up with Xtina. Bee doesn't have the power, but power isn't everything whe it comes to vocals. I love her sweet voice.
And she's always in control and never oversings. Xtina's yelling can really get on my nerve sometimes.
Especially when she's singing live.
Beyonce never over sings? Bey was trying way to hard to hit notes that she literally is incapable of producing. I would have been worried about her pregnancy during this performance, but that would require an actual fetus to be alive in her womb.
Let's talk about live.
Style. Technique. Flawless.
Xtina is above that basic ish. Whitney doesn't move, Mariah doesn't move, Celine doesn't move, Adele doesn't move. Why? because they don't need to. That's why they call them "singers". Do you think anyone would go to a Beyonce show if she didn't shake her ass?
Bey is definitely better at putting on a show.
Had to get that off my chest
I like bey, but let's not pretend like she is the holy grail of performers... because even Rihanna had her shook.
That's all.
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Allow me to grace this thread with Patti Labelle. IDK if my link worked right, but if not skip to 6:18 and bask in the glory. #COULDYOURFAVES?
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Does Xtina even move when she sings??? She only focuses on her singing. NOT A GOOD LOOK. Bee has both covered: performance and singing. And she nails them both. Not many pop artist can say that. Especially not XLtina.
The energy that Bee radiates during a performance is unmatched. I've never seen Xtina do such thing. Definitely not as of late.
Actually, Christina does move. A lot.
Peep that "Woo Hoo" choreography.
Peep them mid-choreo falsetto notes. Best in the game.
Mind you, I would say that Beyonce beats her out by a tiny margin when it comes to singing while moving/performing choreography. But Christina IS right up there with her. BOTH ladies beat out their rivals in this field. Nobody else comes close.
I'm not sure if I'm ready.
you best be ready gurl, the meltdowns that will happen, the slayage that will ensue, the pressed hoes that will come
I am ready
SecretMoblin
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She goes for notes a couple of times that she doesn't quite make - mostly head voice that I noticed. But they aren't out of her range - they weren't even at the outer extremities of her demonstrated range - and she's perfectly capable of producing all the notes she was going for.
roy mentioned Beyonce not going for F5s or higher recently. And he might well be right about last year.
But when have those notes ever been in Christina's comfort range live?
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Sweet baby Jebus, that "make me feel good" part in Be With You makes me moist. So sad her albums keep getting suckier and suckier with every release.
Aside from the BTW cover, what's there to talk about?
nothing sis, her tour is looking very...... reductive
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What is there to talk about the MDNA Tour? That its STILL going to be one of the highest grossing tours in History. People can come for The MDNA album but you can't come for the Queen of Tours. Your fave will always be a lessor in that department.
No shade or anything (I am HALF Madonna stan), but it could be the same DEAL as MDNA. People PRE-PAY AND GET EXCITED until the thing actually hits and it just DROPS
My favourite part so far is where she wished the WORLD PEACE despite having a whole ACT filled with VIOLENCE. #hmmm
Ok - so I try not to get too involved in the Madonna vs. Gaga beef, because both sides turn into #MESSYBITCHES at the drop of a dime.
BUT....
Madonna's tour OPENING slays the ENTIRETY of the Born This Way Ball.
Seriously, it's ridiculous how good this is.
BTWB could be canceled tomorrow and I wouldn't care. Wouldn't even miss it.
Why? BECAUSE MADGE IS HERE. And Bitch knows how to put on a show.
More videos here.
I mean, in all seriousness....Gaga could never. And you really just need to get the fuck over it because Gaga #COULDNEVER. At 53 Madonna is slaying these HOES! The spectacle! The DRAMA! QUEEEEEEEN!!!
That's all I've got.
BUT....
Madonna's tour OPENING slays the ENTIRETY of the Born This Way Ball.
Seriously, it's ridiculous how good this is.
BTWB could be canceled tomorrow and I wouldn't care. Wouldn't even miss it.
Why? BECAUSE MADGE IS HERE. And Bitch knows how to put on a show.
More videos here.
I mean, in all seriousness....Gaga could never. And you really just need to get the fuck over it because Gaga #COULDNEVER. At 53 Madonna is slaying these HOES! The spectacle! The DRAMA! QUEEEEEEEN!!!
That's all I've got.
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That opening was EVERYTHING! MyMomma out there showin these hoes how you do it. Too bad they ain't payin attention.
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