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[The Sum of Zero]

Hm. Unless what I read was a decidedly wrong Translation that is taken the words of Sumizawa way out of context.

I can't read Japanese so I will not say Which is wrong, but given they didn't even do that for Unicorn and we already saw heavy recycle I'm highly dubious that is actually the correct representation,

I think we can agree that regardless whichever is correct, we won't see the designs in full unless an anime happens.

If an anime happens.

How long would a hypothetical Frozen Teardrop anime be, if it ever happened?

I ask because I'm hazy on how manga volumes/light novel volumes tend to translate to anime adaptations. I know Unicorn was 10 (well, soon to be at least 11) volumes and it got turned into seven lengthy episodes.

Depends on if they cut the bullshit backstory retcons or not. I think if they take the Unicorn route, maybe 4 or 5 OVAs? It's hard to know when we've only gotten chapter summaries, not full in-depth details of what all occurs.

 

[Beth Cyra]

I think we can agree that regardless whichever is correct, we won't see the designs in full unless an anime happens.

If an anime happens.

Lol thank the goddess it won't.

That said at least there would be a Canon Snow White and not a Snow White that may or may not have a Wing Gundam TV head,

 

[JeffZero]

Depends on if they cut the bullshit backstory retcons or not. I think if they take the Unicorn route, maybe 4 or 5 OVAs? It's hard to know when we've only gotten chapter summaries, not full in-depth details of what all occurs.

Good to know.

I'm a little surprised there aren't fan translations of stuff like FD and Hathaway's Flash. I realize it's a ton of work, but Gundam being kind of a mid-tier pop culture gig worldwide, you'd think someone, somewhere, would do it.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Good to know.

I'm a little surprised there aren't fan translations of stuff like FD and Hathaway's Flash. I realize it's a ton of work, but Gundam being kind of a mid-tier pop culture gig worldwide, you'd think someone, somewhere, would do it.

There are some translations if you look harder enough for it.

No links as they are in suspect locations. That said AU's like G and Wing don't get the smecommunity support that UC does. Wing is easily more popular but unit is because it also has casuals. If you get in deep with the hardcore Gundam fan base there is a very nasty decide between AU fans and UC fans with both groups not getting along.

It's gotten better in recent years but the translation cummity still focuses heavily on UC.

 

[TheFlow]

I think the g self is so awesome

 

[davidwhangchoi]

watching football now, but

on Crossbone Gundam, i'm up to the part where Tobia's captured in chains

 

[yami4ct]

Given the way Frozen Teardrop went, I suspect there is absolutely zero chance of it getting animated ever. It's just glorified fan fiction. Bandai would rather pretend it never happened.

DIdn't the novel sales fall off a cliff anyway? That's a good enough reason for Bandai to not touch it.

I think the g self is so awesome

Yes it is. Where is my G-Self Perfect MG Bandai?

 

[TheFlow]

Yea I am on episode 9 but I might marathon this. Prefering recog g over ibo atm

 

[JeffZero]

There are some translations if you look harder enough for it.

No links as they are in suspect locations. That said AU's like G and Wing don't get the smecommunity support that UC does. Wing is easily more popular but unit is because it also has casuals. If you get in deep with the hardcore Gundam fan base there is a very nasty decide between AU fans and UC fans with both groups not getting along.

It's gotten better in recent years but the translation cummity still focuses heavily on UC.

The UC-versus-AU rift is one of countless artificial fandom wars that are so utterly silly to me. Like what you like. Watch and collect what you want to watch and collect. It reminds me of all the Star Trek infighting. It serves no purpose but to make the whole fandom look childish and potentially harm the health of the franchises.

Ah well. Just felt like ranting. Good to know there are translations out there for some works.

 

[yami4ct]

The Gundam fandom is still pretty small in the west even if it does seem to be growing. I honestly haven't seen that many UC vs AU fandom wars outside of some good nature prodding here and there. Sure, it happens on occasion, but it definitely seems to be limited to a couple crazy people here and there rather than a fandom wide problem.

If you want to see a hostile fandom, look at the Transformers boards. You have G1 folks, Beast Wars folks, Third Party vs Official wars, Takara vs Hasbro wars, Movie haters vs sympathizers. Even the mods of the major boards get involved with that shit. It's miserable.

 

[JadedWriter]

The UC-versus-AU rift is one of countless artificial fandom wars that are so utterly silly to me. Like what you like. Watch and collect what you want to watch and collect. It reminds me of all the Star Trek infighting. It serves no purpose but to make the whole fandom look childish and potentially harm the health of the franchises.

Ah well. Just felt like ranting. Good to know there are translations out there for some works.

Sometimes I feel like the only fan that just likes Gundam as a whole, though I'm pretty sure it depends on what boards you're on.

 

[The Sum of Zero]

If you want to see a hostile fandom, look at the Transformers boards. You have G1 folks, Beast Wars folks, Third Party vs Official wars, Takara vs Hasbro wars, Movie haters vs sympathizers. Even the mods of the major boards get involved with that shit. It's miserable.

Sonic boards can get pretty bad too. I've seen some nasty 2D games vs 3D game arguments in my day.

 

[yami4ct]

Sonic boards can get pretty bad too. I've seen some nasty 2D games vs 3D game arguments in my day.

I can imagine. Sonic fans are ... something.

The TF fandom stands out particularly to me because it's the main fandom I'm a part of and it makes me sad as hell. Even if you go into a thread on the most positive news ever of a cool new figure or something on one of the major boards and it's just a people grouching and fighting. It's so depressing. It's like the major TF boards have zero moderation at all.

 

[JadedWriter]

I can imagine. Sonic fans are ... something.

The TF fandom stands out particularly to me because it's the main fandom I'm a part of and it makes me sad as hell. Even if you go into a thread on the most positive news ever of a cool new figure or something on one of the major boards and it's just a people grouching and fighting. It's so depressing. It's like the major TF boards have zero moderation at all.

They're all a bunch of Decepticons.

 

[Beth Cyra]

I can imagine. Sonic fans are ... something.

The TF fandom stands out particularly to me because it's the main fandom I'm a part of and it makes me sad as hell. Even if you go into a thread on the most positive news ever of a cool new figure or something on one of the major boards and it's just a people grouching and fighting. It's so depressing. It's like the major TF boards have zero moderation at all.

Lol I know this one well.

It gets rough because I'm one of the heathens that love the Ultra Magnus being Prime's insecure twin. So I like an off shot of G1 that wants Magnus to be "nothing more then a Prime Repaint" and not have any real character of his own....despite I love it for the character lore lol.......

That said it is minor and I've been apart of enough specialized Gundam groups and been on YouTube long enough that all UC/Au fan boy/girl wars just stand out worse to me most likely.

 

[Shun]

Yea I am on episode 9 but I might marathon this. Prefering recog g over ibo atm

G Reco is good. What did I tell you all.

Spoiler

I bought the BD Boxset and art books set no regrets.

 

[yami4ct]

Lol I know this one well.

It gets rough because I'm one of the heathens that love the Ultra Magnus being Prime's insecure twin. So I like an off shot of G1 that wants Magnus to be "nothing more then a Prime Repaint" and not have any real character of his own....despite I love it for the character lore lol.......

That said it is minor and I've been apart of enough specialized Gundam groups and been on YouTube long enough that all UC/Au fan boy/girl wars just stand out worse to me most likely.

Certain small communities can run into worse fan wars issues than others. I can see that. I've had an extremely positive experience in the Gundam community as a whole, but it's possibly just luck.

I remember when arguments over Magnus being a recolored Prime and what color Frezy and Rumble were were the worst fights the TF community would have. I remember when new figure announcements were met with general elation. Then everything changed around 2011/2012. I don't know what happened. Some of it was brewing ever since the first movie days, but I never imagined it turning into this shit show.

 

[Beth Cyra]

Certain small communities can run into worse fan wars issues than others. I can see that. I've had an extremely positive experience in the Gundam community as a whole, but it's possibly just luck.

I remember when arguments over Magnus being a recolored Prime and what color Frezy and Rumble were were the worst fights the TF community would have. I remember when new figure announcements were met with general elation. Then everything changed around 2011/2012. I don't know what happened. Some of it was brewing ever since the first movie days, but I never imagined it turning into this shit show.

Lol the memories.

The Magnus one was always unsteady but I think most like me just kinda decided to have it be an unstated love and didn't bring it up anymore and it's just sociopaths (mostly meaning me) who try it bring it up.

I will agree though, the weird shift from trying to get along to flat nastiness hit hard in TF. I think it was the advent of YouTube reviews, not that the reviewers are bad but people find a reviewer that is like them and celebrates a certain aspect and then sadly the super fans of each group end up facing off and it just got worse as they got more localized around reviewers.

Then again the KO thing bleeds over into Gundam as well. Seen a lot of hate for TT Honglii and the like and I just cringe regardless of what side because it almost always gets ugly at least on YouTube.

 

[JeffZero]

SEED #21-22 Thoughts

Lots of oceanic shenanigans this time! There were two battles here, one for each episode, but in some ways they felt pretty similar. We didn't mind, though. The first skirmish showed off more of Kira's mad skills; the second skirmish gave us Mu and Cagalli. Unfortunately, Cagalli's battle strength is half a Mu, ergo, a tenth of a Kira. Which is a real shame, because she's cool.

Now she's crashed on an island with a wild Athrun, so I'm excited to see where that goes. I'm pretty sure it won't end with either of their deaths, so my money's on a kiss instead. This is SEED, after all.

Speaking of which, Flay (of course) caught Kira and Cagalli on the deck together, but really, it could have been worse. She was so very up in his grill a few moments earlier. I'm pretty sure Flay would have murdered her.

The scene with Le Crouset ordering Athrun and his blokes off to war kind of made me realize just how few real antagonists there are -- on either side. Every now and then some middle-aged fiend pops up and then he usually dies, but aside from Le Crouset (and, crucially, whenever we got more insight on the leadership of ZAFT) that's the long and short of it. It felt like Le Crouset was sending four Gundam Wing pilots off, or something. Well I mean, I guess Yzak is pretty Jerid-esque. So there's that.

Mu x Murrue, btw. It's real. She is falling for him, yo.

SPECIAL BONUS: Mobile Suit Gundam #1-2 Thoughts

This music! This music! I feel like I've been transported to the PS2 game Journey to Jaburo! That was my first exposure to the original show. I saw a couple of episodes on Toonami... and that was the end of that. Until 2012. In 2012, i watched the film trilogy, at a friend's urging. But here I am now, ready to watch the full version at long last.

"CLIMB INTO MY HAND. I'M GOING TO USE THE SUPER NAPALM."

...And what a journey this will be.

I'm getting used to a non-Blum Char just fine. This fellow handles the material quite well. In truth, I've somehow managed to forgot about the movies in just a few years, anyway. I'm quite enjoying the atmosphere of the show. I'm a fan of this more black-and-white approach to Gundam that started with the original; there are shades of grey at work here to be sure, but at the end of the day, most of the Zabis are the frakjobs that need to be defeated and that's that.

"Who will survive?" Yep, this takes me back.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

i think the only good thing about the dub (if you're still watching the dub) is you won't Cagalli's JYP voice, it isn't as annoying... those are good episodes.


i'm going to try and tackle the rest of at least the first part of crossbone tonight right before i go to bed if i can stay awake.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Tobia...he punched her in the face, lol

 

[donkey show]

Tobia...he punched her in the face, lol

Tobia gives no fucks.

 

[TheFlow]

Gundam 083 is getting a new he boxset

 

[Megalosaro]

SPECIAL BONUS: Mobile Suit Gundam #1-2 Thoughts

This music! This music! I feel like I've been transported to the PS2 game Journey to Jaburo! That was my first exposure to the original show. I saw a couple of episodes on Toonami... and that was the end of that. Until 2012. In 2012, i watched the film trilogy, at a friend's urging. But here I am now, ready to watch the full version at long last.

"CLIMB INTO MY HAND. I'M GOING TO USE THE SUPER NAPALM."

...And what a journey this will be.

I'm getting used to a non-Blum Char just fine. This fellow handles the material quite well. In truth, I've somehow managed to forgot about the movies in just a few years, anyway. I'm quite enjoying the atmosphere of the show. I'm a fan of this more black-and-white approach to Gundam that started with the original; there are shades of grey at work here to be sure, but at the end of the day, most of the Zabis are the frakjobs that need to be defeated and that's that.

"Who will survive?" Yep, this takes me back.

Michael Kopsa does a wonderful job as Char. I like him just as much as Shuuichi Ikeda.

Frankly, the movie dub is god awful. Even Steve Blum kind of stumbled around. I guess I blMe the director. The TV series is mostly good, with a few oddities here and there.

 

[CBTech]

SPECIAL BONUS: Mobile Suit Gundam #1-2 Thoughts

This music! This music! I feel like I've been transported to the PS2 game Journey to Jaburo! That was my first exposure to the original show. I saw a couple of episodes on Toonami... and that was the end of that. Until 2012. In 2012, i watched the film trilogy, at a friend's urging. But here I am now, ready to watch the full version at long last.

"CLIMB INTO MY HAND. I'M GOING TO USE THE SUPER NAPALM."

...And what a journey this will be.

I'm getting used to a non-Blum Char just fine. This fellow handles the material quite well. In truth, I've somehow managed to forgot about the movies in just a few years, anyway. I'm quite enjoying the atmosphere of the show. I'm a fan of this more black-and-white approach to Gundam that started with the original; there are shades of grey at work here to be sure, but at the end of the day, most of the Zabis are the frakjobs that need to be defeated and that's that.

"Who will survive?" Yep, this takes me back.

I think Michael Kopsa and Brad Swaile do an excellent job on Char and Amuro, but the real MVP is Chris Kalhoon as Bright. His Bright is never not shouting orders. Doesn't matter the scene or the lines, it always sounds like he is a commander issuing orders. I actually haven't listened to the original Japanese dub of 0079. After I finish AGE and G-Reco I plan on watching 0079 again with the Japanese dub.

 

[JadedWriter]

Michael Kopsa does a wonderful job as Char. I like him just as much as Shuuichi Ikeda.

Frankly, the movie dub is god awful. Even Steve Blum kind of stumbled around. I guess I blMe the director. The TV series is mostly good, with a few oddities here and there.

Blum Char needs to stop chasing Gundamns...

 

[TheFlow]

MG Amzing Red Warrior- these build fighter kits have huge boxes

 

[Ceallach]

The Gundam fandom is still pretty small in the west even if it does seem to be growing. I honestly haven't seen that many UC vs AU fandom wars outside of some good nature prodding here and there. Sure, it happens on occasion, but it definitely seems to be limited to a couple crazy people here and there rather than a fandom wide problem.

If you want to see a hostile fandom, look at the Transformers boards. You have G1 folks, Beast Wars folks, Third Party vs Official wars, Takara vs Hasbro wars, Movie haters vs sympathizers. Even the mods of the major boards get involved with that shit. It's miserable.

It's died down a lot.

I use to be really active on the Gundam.com when I was a teenager in the late 90s/early 00s and it was BAD.

When Wing hit the air, there was a massive influx of people and it created outright wars. Most were ignorant and just didn't know, but there were a lot who outright hated anything that wasn't W. And so the UC and longtime fans started deriding them as "Wingers" and the wars would spill over every single forum. When Turn A had the briefest Wing references, people went berserk. When Gundam was taken off CN after 9/11, the wars got even more out of control. Just years of Wing fans vs UC fans.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

Tobia gives no fucks.

i was so shocked and dying at the same time, LOL
he didn't even slap her... just gave her a huge haymaker and left. when he scared the crap out of her cutting his forearm and giving her the blood, i almost lost it =)

 

[Tizoc]

Dat Kinu Nishimura art
https://newtypebananaace.wordpress....ce-0-issue-no-100-2010-rare-ilust-gallery-12/

 

[JeffZero]

I think Michael Kopsa and Brad Swaile do an excellent job on Char and Amuro, but the real MVP is Chris Kalhoon as Bright. His Bright is never not shouting orders. Doesn't matter the scene or the lines, it always sounds like he is a commander issuing orders. I actually haven't listened to the original Japanese dub of 0079. After I finish AGE and G-Reco I plan on watching 0079 again with the Japanese dub.

Ooh, I really like what I've heard from Bright so far, yeah.

Although it's still taking time for me to accept that he doesn't sound British...

 

[TheFlow]

Hg releases coming this spring, but I would like a MG version as well of this or the red zaku

 

[Haly]

I'd rather have Crossbone than Thunderbolt or Iron Blood Orphans.

Bandai PLZ.

 

[MetroidPrimeRib]

I'd rather have Crossbone than Thunderbolt or Iron Blood Orphans.

Bandai PLZ.

We all would breh

 

[JeffZero]

I don't know, I like IBO.

*hasn't read Crossbone yet*

 

[TheFlow]

don't we already have crossbone mg? even though I read the build quality on all of them suck

 

[yami4ct]

I read Crossbone and just found it OK. Some really neat ideas, but nothing spectacular.

Mech design is aces.

don't we already have crossbone mg? even though I read the build quality on all of them suck

They aren't the worst and the accomplish a lot for the time/size, but they need some real work to make great.

 

[The Sum of Zero]

Hg releases coming this spring, but I would like a MG version as well of this or the red zaku

Don't forget the Gundam lol.

 

[TheFlow]

that gundam is so ugly^

I am not a fan of pirate themed gundams but I can see the appeal

 

[yami4ct]

that gundam is so ugly^

I am not a fan of pirate themed gundams but I can see the appeal

I like the Thunderbolt FA Gundam design, but the colors are so bleh. Maybe the MG will throw in some variation and details that will make it work.

 

[davidwhangchoi]

4 shields or go home


Crossbones fighting F91 = awesome.

metroid fusion moment of fighting your old suit =)

 

[Ceallach]

I'm not as in love with Crossbone as most. I don't like extremely young protags and I thin some of the mecha design is goofy. If it got animated, I would like a lot of changes. Which would irritate the Tomino faithful.

 

[donkey show]

Hasegawa's art on Crossbone is definitely divisive, but the general design of the Crossbone units was always pretty solid. Their aesthetic feels much more realized in revisionings like ver Ka or in Build Fighters. And considering the era the Crossbone units were created with the mantra of smaller is better on top of needing the high mobility in Jupiter's gravitational sphere, it makes sense. Plus the Crossbones are the successors to the F91 and their open face looks much better! Granted ABC mantles are cool af, but silly. Jupiter based units were funky though, but I'm okay with that because it's Jupiter! As for the young protag, I'm not the biggest fan of those as well but Tobia bucked the trend for me. He's no nonsense with a Judau-like personality. And speaking of which,

Spoiler

he teams up with old Judau in Skull Heart.

Plus the X2 is the bees knees.

Speaking of which, I have an MG Full Cloth to start. >__>

 

[JeffZero]

So, this is what happens when I watch stuff solo -- rapid progress.

Mobile Suit Gundam #3-8 Thoughts

There's a lot to like with this show. Thus far, I'm really glad I'm finally watching the show instead of just seeing the movies a second time. The added development is doing a lot for characters like Garma, who were in and out way too fast in my previous experience and who were -- like many other aspects -- probably more memorable to me in the PS2 game than the actual story. I'm remembering now why people like him. Plus, he and Char are totally anime's early bishounen. Goodness, that hair twirl of his is something.

Amuro's constant whine-grunting reminds me of Kira. Or I guess it's the other way around. Well, whatever. So far Amuro's pretty alright. I seem to remember his main melodramatic spell occurring around the middle of the second movie, so I'll be seeing that eventually. Bright's great. Mirai's great. Sayla's great. Ryu and Hayato are pretty good. Kai is... Kai. And the kid trio is about as goofy here as it was in the movies.

It strikes me just how battle-oriented this show is, even next to many other iterations. There pretty much has to be a big splashy fight every episode. I wonder if/when I'll run into an instance where that isn't the case. I don't mind; I can see why many claim it wrecks the pacing, but I'll take somewhat redundant duels over redundant emotional outbursts in crew quarters. (We'll see how JeffZero reacts to Zeta a second time around soon enough. Going in solo will help, but how much?)

There's definitely one thing I didn't like in this batch: the old folks. Good lord. "We know you think we're selfish." Yeah. I do. I try not to dwell on logistics too much in these shows but that was such a risk they took to let those bastards off the plane. I get the theme Tomino was going for, here, but the way it's presented, it's just silly.

 

[Ceallach]

The last couple of times I watched it, after being in the military for awhile, I look at everything as a more experienced military leader and the decisions they make drive me fucking crazy

 

[JadedWriter]

The ether that Fraubow puts on Amuro is searing.

 

[Ezalc]

I'd rather have Crossbone than Thunderbolt or Iron Blood Orphans.

Bandai PLZ.

Crossbone is amazing, but I'm digging jazz gundam a lot. Needs more episodes though damn it.

 

[donkey show]

The last couple of times I watched it, after being in the military for awhile, I look at everything as a more experienced military leader and the decisions they make drive me fucking crazy

Having spent some time in the Army as well, the fact that they refer to each other by rank and first name irks me like none other. xD

 

[Ezalc]

The last couple of times I watched it, after being in the military for awhile, I look at everything as a more experienced military leader and the decisions they make drive me fucking crazy

Having spent some time in the Army as well, the fact that they refer to each other by rank and first name irks me like none other. xD

Please, elaborate.

 

[JeffZero]

Ahhh, math homework was lame, I'm gonna watch moooore.