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[traveler]

sounds about as i expected, not the score but the review itself

it seems that no one cares about developing a good campaign mode these days if the MP is awesome

Just about every single other review has said the campaign is excellent.

 

[Hitler Stole My Potato]

sounds about as i expected, not the score but the review itself

it seems that no one cares about developing a good campaign mode these days if the MP is awesome

lol....so all the other amazingly positive reviews about the single player campaign is disregarded because of this one site.

I guess that's what you expected.

 

[6.8]

Doesn't UT3 do that now?

hey you forgot to link me ars' Two Worlds review.

 

[Y2Kev]

Can some of you drop the transparency for like one minute :lol

 

[Timedog]

I kind of agree with some reviews, I won't buy the game solely for the SP as I long ago quit Halo MP. But I can watch a friend finish the game so I can know the end of the story.

You haven't played the game but you........agree with some of the reviews???

 

[Amir0x]

Can some of you drop the transparency for like one minute :lol

hehehe no

 

[EverSoTrendy]

hey you forgot to link me ars' Two Worlds review.

Hey, I never said they reviewed it. Going by the score and the scores of other reviews for the game. They are on par. Shocking I know.

 

[calder]

7/10 because they just want hits to their shit website.

Reading the review I'd lean slightly more toward "wanted to be hard and had the brilliant idea to review the SP campaign only". Kind of a weird, pointless thing to do.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

another blog review:

http://kotaku.com/gaming/feature/halo-3-review-300345.php

So he claims it took him 12 hours, that sounds good. Kotaku doesn't give scores though?

 

[6.8]

Hey, I never said they reviewed it. Going by the score and the scores of other reviews for the game. They are on par. Shocking I know.

Different sites, different scales. Shocking I know.

 

[watership]

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/games/finishing-the-fight-a-review-of-halo-3.ars/4

Spoiler

7/10

Oh shit.

I'm so embarassed for that site. I really like the Opposable Thumbs guys, but to review 1/4th of the game is just stupid.

 

[RiskyChris]

Yea, I think this will be a pretty common sentiment throughout. I only expect Halo 3 to sell about a quarter or third as much as Halo 2, just because so many people will just mooch off friends.

A quarter as much, really?

 

[dfyb]

Forge is aiming for different goals than your standard PC editor. How many PC editors let you edit a prexisting map in the middle of an actual game?

yeah i was addressing the "plan something out and save it to play later" aspect of forge. the "mess with it while playing with it" aspect looks like garry's mod, but garry's mod is tremendously flexible. nothing i've seen of forge looks like it'll be more than anything i've done on PC.

and the replays are very similar to what PC games have been doing -- the only real difference beeing there's polished editors in game rather than PC users just using video editing software. so PC users still have more flexibility because of how open it is, but i think PC games would do well to additionally adopt simple controls like what you see in h3.

 

[DevelopmentArrested]

Different sites, different scales. Shocking I know.

qft.

 

[Opus Angelorum]

A quarter as much, really?

Yeah he better not lay a ban bet down on that expectation.

 

[WHOAguitarninja]

Doesn't UT3 do that now?

Mid game? Not that I've heard...not atleast the way you can in H3.

 

[Fun Factor]

sounds about as i expected, not the score but the review itself

it seems that no one cares about developing a good campaign mode these days if the MP is awesome

Why bother with single player when you get a whopping 16 players online & 11 whole maps to boot.

 

[Visualante]

So he claims it took him 12 hours, that sounds good. Kotaku doesn't give scores though?

At least he didn't leave the final word on it down to his son this time.

 

[watership]

I really don't understand why sites do this. I remember Eurogamer did the same thing last year with Gears of War. Doesn't make a hell of a lot of sense to me.

I know why sites do this. They're not given enough access or time to review the full product, and they still want to make the first day review thunder.

 

[traveler]

yeah i was addressing the "plan something out and save it to play later" aspect of forge. the "mess with it while playing with it" aspect looks like garry's mod, but garry's mod is tremendously flexible. nothing i've seen of forge looks like it'll be more than anything i've done on PC.

and the replays are very similar to what PC games have been doing -- the only real difference beeing there's polished editors in game rather than PC users just using video editing software. so PC users still have more flexibility because of how open it is, but i think PC games would do well to additionally adopt simple controls like what you see in h3.

Yeah, PC is definitely ahead in that respect, no doubt. The realtime modification aspect was really the only thing I was commenting on.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Why bother with single player when you get a whopping 16 players online & 11 whole maps to boot.

This is never a certain bet around here, but this is sarcasm, correct?

 

[Eric WK]

Yea, I think this will be a pretty common sentiment throughout. I only expect Halo 3 to sell about a quarter or third as much as Halo 2, just because so many people will just mooch off friends.

Joke post?

 

[jetjevons]

Reading the review I'd lean slightly more toward "wanted to be hard and had the brilliant idea to review the SP campaign only". Kind of a weird, pointless thing to do.

No it's brilliant. In future all games should have single player and multiplayer scores seperate. Then the total score can be the average of the two.

Warhawk SP Campaign: 0/10
Warhawk Multiplayer: 9/10

Overall: 4.5/10

Spoiler

:lol :lol :lol

 

[MugthisNowWithLemon]

Honest question: how much fun will Halo 3 online be for someone who 1) just played Halo 1 for the first time, 2) has never played Halo 2, and 3) won't have Halo 3 until early next year? I'm pretty sure I'll be way behind the competitive curve, but is it easy to find players at low rankings?

 

[Lé Blade Runner]

Ah well - 'not groundbreaking but definetely polished and good throughout' about the campaign was definetely expected, but still... Why no "OH MY-- THIS IS THE BEST SINGLE-PLAYER FPS THERE IS" -type of gushing?

Halo 3 *should* be just as much about Single-player as it is Multi-player.

 

[Fun Factor]

Since no reviews mentioned this, anyone have any clue on if you can create custom games online & have people that are not specifaclly on your friends list join?

I hated that in Halo 2.

 

[Amir0x]

Ah well - 'not groundbreaking but definetely polished and good throughout' about the campaign was definetely expected, but still... Why no "OH MY-- THIS IS THE BEST SINGLE-PLAYER FPS THERE IS" -type of gushing?

Halo 3 *should* be just as much about Single-player as it is Multi-player.

i think Halo 2 really made this franchise into the premiere multiplayer FPS. The singleplayer has always been the weaker of the two aspects.

I'm not saying the scores shouldn't reflect this, but, the multiplayer is sooo good

 

[dfyb]

Doesn't UT3 do that now?

UT3 lets you edit a map and drop in the game in the level editor, but i would assume you can't have someone connect to you and play with others. when editing, you are again removed from control of the game (it's still seamless, but you no longer have an entity you control in the game and it's not like there will be people shooting eachother while you're editing).

but UT3 editor lets you edit geometry and actually create new levels from scratch as well as editing existing ones. forge just lets you rearrange levels. forge is more similar to garry's mod, but forge adopts a couple aspects of PC level editors like placing spawn points.

forge still comes up short compared to what is available on PC, but it's a nice attempt at bringing some of these aspects to console games. it's moving in the right direction.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

I know why sites do this. They're not given enough access or time to review the full product, and they still want to make the first day review thunder.

Separating the two components into separate reviews sounds like a good format for everyone involved. People who are primarily interested in SP get a review that is dedicated squarely to campaign, and those interested in MP get their equivalent later on. And really, you don't think it makes sense to wait with reviewing multiplayer until you can realistically measure it under real life, customer level conditions?

 

[FiRez]

nevermind....I just read the MP3 review of ars technica I would take their opinion with a lot more caution now

 

[traveler]

Ah well - 'not groundbreaking but definetely polished and good throughout' about the campaign was definetely expected, but still... Why no "OH MY-- THIS IS THE BEST SINGLE-PLAYER FPS THERE IS" -type of gushing?

Halo 3 *should* be just as much about Single-player as it is Multi-player.

Cuz Bioshock just came out.

 

[jetjevons]

From the Ars review

"The score that follows is solely for the single-player campaign and not the product as a whole. Those picking up the title to play alone and offline are missing much of what makes Halo 3 a compelling product. More coverage of the remaining pieces of the puzzle will follow."

So wait, he's not even including co-op. Or on-line co-op. This is just a review for the single player only portion of the campagin?

That's just plain silly.

 

[Timan]

No it's brilliant. In future all games should have single player and multiplayer scores seperate. Then the total score can be the average of the two.

Warhawk SP Campaign: 0/10
Warhawk Multiplayer: 9/10

Overall: 4.5/10

Spoiler

:lol :lol :lol

So shadowruns would be a 0/10 since theres not much of a multiplayer and no single player...

Is it safe to watch the Gametrailers Video review? or is it a spoiler heaven like most of their other videos.

 

[Sullichin]

Since no reviews mentioned this, anyone have any clue on if you can create custom games online & have people that are not specifaclly on your friends list join?

I hated that in Halo 2.

There's no custom games browser.

People who arent on your friends list could always join custom games though...

 

[Visualante]

No sonydefenseforce.com review yet. I guess they'll have to pick it up in stores tomorrow.

 

[Prine]

Those scores, love it, EVERY HATER BURNS with hate at the critical acclaim this game CONTINUES to recieve.

Now, my friends, comes the sales data. Trolls, back to your caves, as its going to get reall nasty :lol

 

[Havok]

So shadowruns would be a 0/10 since theres not much of a multiplayer and no single player...

Is it safe to watch the Gametrailers Video review? or is it a spoiler heaven like most of their other videos.

I would not watch it. There are snippets of cutscenes in it and areas from pretty late in the game.

 

[Zer0]

Just about every single other review has said the campaign is excellent.

minus the two last levels

 

[FiRez]

i think Halo 2 really made this franchise into the premiere multiplayer FPS. The singleplayer has always been the weaker of the two aspects.

I'm not saying the scores shouldn't reflect this, but, the multiplayer is sooo good

imho the first Halo was worth buying just for the campaign alone

 

[watership]

Here's the same guy reviewing Metroid Prime 3.

Note it's 4 pages long, and rather detailed.

http://arstechnica.com/reviews/games/Beautiful-corruption-a-review-of-Metroid-Prime-3.ars/1

Ars have just gone down a couple notches in my regard. Why rush a review of one component of such a big game just to try to compete with the regular game sites. They didn't need to do that.

It's Frank from Ars. Read up on his previous posts to get some perspective.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Separating the two components into separate reviews sounds like a good format for everyone involved. People who are primarily interested in SP get a review that is dedicated squarely to campaign, and those interested in MP get their equivalent later on. And really, you don't think it makes sense to wait with reviewing multiplayer until you can realistically measure it under real life, customer level conditions?

Because review scores are now vitally important in making decisions?

 

[BenjaminBirdie]

Can some of you drop the transparency for like one minute :lol

 

[FiRez]

So shadowruns would be a 0/10 since theres not much of a multiplayer and no single player...

Is it safe to watch the Gametrailers Video review? or is it a spoiler heaven like most of their other videos.

I've not played the game but the review was very spoiler free for me

 

[Opus Angelorum]

No sonydefenseforce.com review yet. I guess they'll have to pick it up in stores tomorrow.

I think even the SDF know when to show up, and now is not a good time

 

[Amir0x]

imho the first Halo was worth buying just for the campaign alone

right, and imo, Halo was a pretty good game but not a GREAT one. Halo 2 made the franchise into something really memorable... because of the online multiplayer.

 

[soco]

So shadowruns would be a 0/10 since theres not much of a multiplayer and no single player...

Is it safe to watch the Gametrailers Video review? or is it a spoiler heaven like most of their other videos.

depending upon how much you've seen in screenshots and stuff, there's also maybe some enemy spoilers in it too. i turned it off just a bit in as there were things in there that might've been nice surprises if i hadn't just watched them in there.

 

[Son of Godzilla]

Joke post?

Is it that fucking hard to tell? I mean really.

right, and imo, Halo was a pretty good game but not a GREAT one. Halo 2 made the franchise into something really memorable... because of the online multiplayer.

Eh, I think multiplayer was still the biggest selling point of the original and it and the epic campaign basically go hand in hand with each other.

 

[AltogetherAndrews]

Because review scores are now vitally important in making decisions?

If they're not buyer's guides, then what in the hell is their reason for existence?

 

[Eric WK]

Is it that fucking hard to tell? I mean really.

I saw two other people, both of whom I generally agree with, respond to it in a serious manner before I saw your initial post. That was the root of the confusion.

 

[The Elite]

If they're not buyer's guides, then what in the hell is their reason for existence?

To cause chaos and mayhem on message boards of course.