http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...verhaul-visa-program-for-high-skilled-workers
There was previous threads on H1-B visas, but since changes to the program is now a reality, I guess it's time for a new thread.
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The Hill: Trump to overhaul visa program for high-skilled workers (H1-B visas)
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http://thehill.com/homenews/adminis...verhaul-visa-program-for-high-skilled-workers
There was previous threads on H1-B visas, but since changes to the program is now a reality, I guess it's time for a new thread.
Lil'DigiOp
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Yeah keep trying to stop people from working jobs that Americans turn their nose up to..... See how that works
Admiral Woofington
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I can see the benefit of this, but it'll still suck considering how many people come to study or work in the US straight out of college intending to live and work in the US due to job opportunities here vs their home country, and are now kind of fucked. Going to affect so many coworkers.
Uh. there's plenty of people looking for jobs in tech. Companies just don't want to pay them fair salaries, so they hire internationals.
While I doubt Trump will offer a solution that doesn't end up fucking everyone over, this is actually a legitimate issue.
GE just ended our contract in favor of hiring H-1B visa programmers from Tech Mahindra to replace us for a third of our cost. They're super unskilled and have already given themselves titles like "senior developer" and they haven't even started yet. I'd be really upset if I hadn't just accepted an offer for a better job.
GE just ended our contract in favor of hiring H-1B visa programmers from Tech Mahindra to replace us for a third of our cost. They're super unskilled and have already given themselves titles like "senior developer" and they haven't even started yet. I'd be really upset if I hadn't just accepted an offer for a better job.
BreezyLimbo
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Americans turn their nose to high paying programming/IT jobs? I think it is more of companies hiring foreign workers for half the pay a US citizen requires/demands.
Roland_Gunner
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There are issues H1-B but we need more details to see if these changes will make things better or worse.
H1-B visas go to white collar jobs. You are probably thinking about agricultural guest workers.
Or how about they pay Liberal Americans fair wages?
Phrozenflame500
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This will be interesting. I think some overhaul could be useful here but I'd want to see specifics before deciding whether it's something to be supported or not.
I'm sure the only reason Orange mother fucking turd is doing this is because he is pissed off that the CEOs of Microsoft and Google are foreigners from india.
He is too stupid to carefully evaluate proposals, he just goes with what his racist gut tells him.
your problem isn't reading, but rather believing anything trump administration officials say
you can't even get an H1B for a job that doesn't require a degree. They have nothing to do with low-skilled, low-wage laborers
It is true that it is a lottery though, and the entire system desperately needs an overhaul
BlazinSkatinAxel
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Exactly.
Just_myles
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You know what. I kind of buy that.
However, I have seen it myself (first hand )the hiring practices that favor the cheaper worker.
and this. I'm sure this will not hold permanently. Next administration could easily undo this just as fast.
Then your company may be breaking the existing law and you should report it.
Rural areas are the last areas that are going to see any kind of benefit from this.
The bolded I see used very easily. Has there been any research that supports that claim? And by supports, I dont mean that it happens; but more specifically that its LITERALLY the primary and majority use for said program?
Serious question.
Just_myles
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Well this was many moons ago. Had I known this to be the case I might have.
Also I figured it was a shitty business practice but, not inherently illegal. Interesting.
R10Neymarfan
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Maybe this is only good if he forces the STEM jobs to move to rural America so those racist drug pushers can find some meaning in their lives.
That's what I meant, sorry. I was always under the impression that H-1Bs were for high-skill laborers, which is why I was mighty confused.
Basically Trump is blatantly lying to his base, amazing.
I mean...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/30/...kers-college-degree-apprenticeships.html?_r=0
If they can't do that, how the hell are they going to do STEM?
Wait, I know. We bleed public education dry with charter schools. Thanks, DeVos!
H1-b employers must make good faith efforts to find us employees and cannot offshore wages like that. Obviously some do just that but it is illegal. My company pays foreign born workers the same salaries as equivalent us employees.
Man, I'm really worried about this. I'm studying my Masters at Berkeley on an F-1 visa and I've taken out a substantial loan with the hope that I can stay on in the US and work here to pay off my loan.
Don't think I'll ever be able to pay off my loan if I have to move back to my home country.
Don't think I'll ever be able to pay off my loan if I have to move back to my home country.
Vestal
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There are entire companies built around bringing in cheap oversees labor to American Companies..
Look up a company such as Cognizant.
tearsintherain
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Yeah there is a lot of H-1B abuse, its not direct but basically big companies outsource things to smaller companies who are the ones who go and abuse the H-1B, that way the big company can just say "hey no man we are totally clean all our jobs are american!!" and no one cares what a small 100 man outsourcing company does. Not rumor or friend-of-a-friend either, I outsourced regularly our companies QA functions to groups that brought in indian contractors (stateside) who in turn managed groups back in India. We'd get 15-25 employees for the price of a single US hire, so even with the tons of headaches and issues it still was cost effective just because of brute force - throwing people at a problem.
Of course predictably I'm sure it'll backfire in spectacular ways, but the tech industry has been using outsourced H1-B visas as a crutch for a long time to pay extremely low wages in certain IT sectors.
I don't think thats true at all, most of the outsourced H1-B work is not high level software or hardware engineering, its helpdesk, IT, QA, system conversions, data entry, etc. Literally any student nowadays who is literate and can use a phone/facebook can do the job, but the jobs pay $25-30k which someone can do better at as a barista at Starbucks. Plus when the job is outsourced the company doesn't have to pay a lot of taxes, doesn't have to pay medical, social security, unemployment insurance, etc.
Of course predictably I'm sure it'll backfire in spectacular ways, but the tech industry has been using outsourced H1-B visas as a crutch for a long time to pay extremely low wages in certain IT sectors.
I don't think thats true at all, most of the outsourced H1-B work is not high level software or hardware engineering, its helpdesk, IT, QA, system conversions, data entry, etc. Literally any student nowadays who is literate and can use a phone/facebook can do the job, but the jobs pay $25-30k which someone can do better at as a barista at Starbucks. Plus when the job is outsourced the company doesn't have to pay a lot of taxes, doesn't have to pay medical, social security, unemployment insurance, etc.
This is my reaction too.
Maybe they're trying to underplay that the real problem is that tech companies use the program to suppress salaries?
Vestal
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No a lot of the outsourcing I have seen in the industry is moving a lot of the Operational work to offshore workshops that do the job of for half the price.. Then there is the other portion of bringing in foreign contractors to do a lot of the grunt coding work, particularly when refactoring or moving a script or job from one language to another. The problem is that a lot of this coding is over complicated and lacks readability in most cases.
Just_myles
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That's quite a broad stroke.
Public school system is trash? I agree.
To say that college grads can't do the jobs is, I don't know, wrong? How about misinformed?
Hope he actually does something about it.
Information Technology is seen as an expense and taken for granted. Management finds ways to reduce IT to service contracts and disposable workers in an effort to reduce their bottom line. One day contractors are brought on and they shadow you to do your job, then you get laid off. Quality of work goes down, continuous improvement stops, customers become unhappy. Nobody wins except the guys getting bonuses for their 20% budget reductions lol
Information Technology is seen as an expense and taken for granted. Management finds ways to reduce IT to service contracts and disposable workers in an effort to reduce their bottom line. One day contractors are brought on and they shadow you to do your job, then you get laid off. Quality of work goes down, continuous improvement stops, customers become unhappy. Nobody wins except the guys getting bonuses for their 20% budget reductions lol
I said _enough_ grads. As in, we don't send enough people to college to learn the skills.
We're vastly underutilizing 20% of our emerging potential labor workforce because they either don't graduate high school or don't finish college
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Watch this lead to increased emmigration from Russia/China exclusively.
He mentioned this during his campaign, and to be frank it sounds like it's quite in need of an overhaul.
in the current system it's easy to open a job listing, throw every resume in the shredder for 60 days before starting to hire from India.
Of course the new hire is unaware of their rights and can easily be intimidated to work free overtime and cut his own salary. after all the consequence if that you fire him and call the ICE on him and his family.
This is bad for the employee and the taxpayer, the company that abuses the system is the only one who profits.
in the current system it's easy to open a job listing, throw every resume in the shredder for 60 days before starting to hire from India.
Of course the new hire is unaware of their rights and can easily be intimidated to work free overtime and cut his own salary. after all the consequence if that you fire him and call the ICE on him and his family.
This is bad for the employee and the taxpayer, the company that abuses the system is the only one who profits.
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