It’s a first party Xbox game, all tabs have been picked up by MS since 2021, including signing off on a year long delay for polish. Plus extensive QA support from Microsoft as reported.
“Bethesda RPGs aren’t popular and have no fanbase”
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The hype around Starfield is massive, and growing.
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It’s a first party Xbox game, all tabs have been picked up by MS since 2021, including signing off on a year long delay for polish. Plus extensive QA support from Microsoft as reported.
“Bethesda RPGs aren’t popular and have no fanbase”
Banjo64
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It’s a BGS/Todd Howard game and would have launched exactly as is without the acquisition happening.
Pretty sad to try and claim otherwise.
Punished Miku
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That's not true. Not that any of this matters, but they literally delayed the game fairly publicly for a year. And we know MS committed a large amount of resources to QA. Phil also said during the Redfall damage control interviews they committed engineering resources early as well. It's all been said publicly.
Everyone always knew this is how it would go though. If it's shit, it's all MS fault. If it's good, MS has nothing to do with it.
FoxMcChief
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MikeM
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Own them until someone revokes a license or bans your profile.
I still have OG Xbox games that look and run brand new. Maybe i’m a unicorn?
Interfectum
Member
Steam bro. Easy Steam Deck utilization, Steam Big Picture mode for easy controller navigation and use on a TV, mods, friends lists, etc.
I could hack Xbox Game Pass games into Steam but I'd rather just buy the game on Steam and have it... don't want to worry about Steam compatibility issues and keeping up a subscription.
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VideoGameEnjoyer
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adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
No kidding.
I love you
Banjo64
but we can easily look up plenty of posts from you correlating Redfall and Xbox in the same sentences.
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Weird how this wasn’t a common consensus when Redfall released to terrible reviews.
twilo99
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Spot on ser.
Banjo64
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And BGS couldn’t have delayed a game without Microsoft? Where’s your evidence for that?
This is like an amateur boxer offering advice and guidance to Mohammed Ali.
Why on earth would BGS need Xbox Q&A or engineers?
I have no doubt it’s been offered, probably taken up. Has it had a material effect, no chance.
Of course.
I know nuance doesn’t work when you’re being disingenuous, but Microsoft can be responsible for the final say on releasing a game and at the same time have had no impact on a game’s development.
Mind blowing I know.
Banjo64
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Feel free to pick out some specific posts if you like and I’ll happily address any issues you have one by oneNo kidding.
I love you
Kiraly
Member
Yawn, this tired shlock again.
Redfall is fully on Microsoft, Starfield they had nothing to do with.
Banjo64
cumsessed
To go even further
adamsapple
over half of those posts are from before Redfall launched, with me speculating about their 2022/2023 line up.
adamsapple
over half of those posts are from before Redfall launched, with me speculating about their 2022/2023 line up.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Feel free to pick out some specific posts if you like and I’ll happily address any issues you have one by one
No, please. I am not looking for addressing on them at this point.
Just the very first post in the search page is enough, you've used Redfall as an example of a microsoft game here, plenty of other posts to go around but I'll just use this one example for now.
Imagine Uncharted with the production values of Redfall and Crackdown
Starfield is just as much of a Microsoft game as Redfall is/was.
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Banjo64
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What is that supposed to prove sorry?
That Redfall is a Microsoft game?
Did I say Starfield is not a Microsoft game?
Just to refresh your memory, this is all I said:
as though Xbox have had any positive contribution to this game, is laughable.
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SenkiDala
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Ahah that's exactly this. If a MS studio game is a failure "HA ! Microsoft again !" if it's a success "Good Lord, MS didn't poison the development, congrats to the devs"...Yawn, this tired shlock again.
Redfall is fully on Microsoft, Starfield they had nothing to do with.
Like when a mom tells a dad "LOOK WHAT YOUR DAUGHTER DID!!!" when she does something bad and "AH ! THAT IS MY DAUGHTER !" when she does something good.
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Punished Miku
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This doesn't even make sense. So you think MS has people working on polishing it, but the game would be literally identical if they didn't do anything. What are these people working on then? I don't get it.
If you don't remember, listen to the Kinda Funny Xbox Phil Spencer interview talking about Redfall. He compares their involvement between Redfall and Starfield, which is all most people have ever claimed. Everyone knows MS isn't directing the game and making creative decisions about it. They're helping with funding, engineering support (probably optimizing for X and S), and extensive QA.
Vox Machina
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It's a photoshop put together with Spaceship modules that exist in the game already. So you should be able to put that together in-game at launch.
Solarstrike
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Can't wait for the Denuvo announcement a few days before release
Topher
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Yawn, this tired shlock again.
Redfall is fully on Microsoft, Starfield they had nothing to do with.
Some people have blamed MS for Redfall. Some have said MS has nothing to do with Starfield. The problem is assuming they are the exact same people. I'm sure some folks have contradicted themselves on this, but weaponizing a generalization doesn't make sense.
Is that post supposed to be some gotcha here? I'm not seeing it. You said
Banjo64
correlated Xbox and Redfall in the same sentence in "plenty" of posts and yet your example doesn't show that at all.
ultrazilla
Member
Can't wait for the Denuvo announcement a few days before release
Nothing would surprise me at this point.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
But that's also decidedly not true.
Starfield had a much earlier release date before Xbox told Bethesda to take its time
Phil Spencer implies he told Todd Howard to take his time getting Starfield polished up
Every QA tester at Microsoft is working on Starfield, according to Phil Spencer
That's probably a slight exaggeration
MS gave Bethesda more than a years worth of extra time so as not to rush the game out, they also devoted pretty much most of its internal Q/A staff members to the project to help Bethesda.
If that's not a positive contribution to the game, I don't know what is.
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Vox Machina
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1. Endless concern trolling -> "It's a Bethesda game. It'll be a broken, buggy mess at launch!"
2. Microsoft commits extensive engineering and QA resources, and foots the bill for an entire year of delay
3. Game launches and it's high quality (remains to be seen of course, but early feedback seems to be pointing towards that result)
4. Microsoft had nothing to do with this
Let's see how it turns out.
Topher
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Starfield isn't a one and done type of game to a lot of people. Many people, like myself, have played Skyrim many times and it makes more sense to just buy it. Same situation with Starfield.
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Banjo64
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Ok, and you are welcome to disagree with me - but why did you bring up my post history about Redfall and Xbox as if it was some gotcha moment?But that's also decidedly not true.
Starfield had a much earlier release date before Xbox told Bethesda to take its time
Phil Spencer implies he told Todd Howard to take his time getting Starfield polished upwww.gamesradar.com
Every QA tester at Microsoft is working on Starfield, according to Phil Spencer
That's probably a slight exaggerationwww.gamesradar.com
MS gave Bethesda more than a years worth of extra time so as not to rush the game out, they also devoted pretty much most of its internal Q/A staff members to the project to help Bethesda.
If that's not a positive contribution to the game, I don't know what is.
I know you’ve never been one for rational thought Mage, and you do like to do these ‘hypothetical arguments’ where you put words in people’s mouths: but I love BGS, this game will be just as good or better than the Fallout and TES games that came before it.1. Endless concern trolling -> "It's a Bethesda game. It'll be a broken, buggy mess at launch!"
2. Microsoft commits extensive engineering and QA resources, and foots the bill for an entire year of delay
3. Game launches and it's high quality (remains to be seen of course, but early feedback seems to be pointing towards that result)
4. Microsoft had nothing to do with this
Let's see how it turns out.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
That's not a gotcha, it's just an example of how there wasn't a specific disassociation to Microsoft when it came to Redfall.
We know they (MS) have had a pretty positive impact on Starfield's development both in terms of giving the developers more time and providing them additional first party resources they wouldn't have had if it was still a third party multi-platform game releasing in 2021.
When was the last time we read anyone talk about a BGS single player RPG not having any bugs in the first ~15 hours. It's unheard of.
DenchDeckard
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Day muthafuggin 1
Vox Machina
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A) I'm nobody's alt.
B) I should have qualified that the part about the concern trolling over quality was not specific to any individual.
C) I still disagree that this game will have launched the same without Xbox's involvement.
8BiTw0LF
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Digital is forever, if you catch my drift.
Even obscure 80's prototype games are available to the masses. Nothing can ever be truly revoked as long there's an open internet.
Vox Machina
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Starfield Developer Recommends Space Documentary Before Fans Play
Starfield fans can prepare for the game via a recent documentary on Netflix.
I can also recommend that documentary if you're into space and/or space tech!
Ass of Can Whooping
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Verily, that which is good hath not sprung forth from the realm of Xbox, for behold, that which is wicked hath ever been begotten by the hand of Xbox
PaízoStathmós 29 verse 40 from our holy book
PaízoStathmós 29 verse 40 from our holy book
FoxMcChief
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Just started Firefly. I wanted to binge that, and watch the movie before Starfield.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Hopefully you're watching the correct order of episodes, not the way Fox originally butchered it by airing episodes out of order when the show was on TV.
FoxMcChief
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I’m just going by what Hulu has them in order by. This will probably be the 4th time I have watched the series though.
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Perrott
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The PC Game Pass thing - a 3:2 ratio between PC subs and console subs - has been well known for a while, not my fault that this is the first time you heard of it.Hard to take your analysis serious when you claim GamePass is more popular on PC than console, or that historically Steam sales are significantly impacted by PC Gamepass.
Cyberpunk 2077 also sold approx 10.2 million copies in slightly over one year on PC alone
And much of this was under a cloud of bad reviews on Steam.
Regarding Game Pass butchering Steam sales, of course its gonna happen. I mean, if you have north of 15M PC Game Pass subscribers, a lot of those are not going to double dip and pay an additional 70 dollars or more for a game they'd already have access to, unless they're looking to take advantage of the early access but those people are not going to be anywhere near the majority of Starfield's player base. I also bet that people are not going to be double dipping on buying a game they already have access to via sub in a fall/holiday season so packed of hugely anticipated game releases as that of this year.
Regarding the Cyberpunk numbers, you've literally confirmed the point I had stated in my previous comment: that Cyberpunk's PC sales were in the 8-12M units range to date, because only two additional million copies have been sold across all platforms since December 2021 up until March of this year.
I'm not trying to twist anything, just saying that the "20 million sales in 18 months" simply seems completely unreasonable to me, with Starfield releasing on day one on a subscription service with 25-30M users and on only two platforms, one of which is the least popular of all console ecosystems and has a problem of shrinking game sales in general. I just don't see how the numbers could get there in such a short span of time.
And don't get me wrong, I'm dying to play this game and hoping it'll be the very best it can possibly be. Just search my GAF post history, you'll see that I was one of the few defending this game all the way back to 2019 from the stupid, ignorant claims of it running on the same old Bethesda engine without any significant overhauls and that sort of shit. Hell, I'd been anticipating its release since before it was officially announced, when we only had a trademark for it.
I don't doubt that it is going to be successful, just not to the extent of selling 20 million copies in 18 months and I've already stated my point about it, so I don't think it makes sense to go over and over with this discussion until we have some initial sales figures of the game three weeks from now.
Lokaum D+
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is this related to Starfield story ? if no, where is this from ?
Salty Popsicle
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I estimate 5 - 6 million copies sold on PC through the end of the year and 1.5 - 2 million copies sold on Xbox consoles in the same time frame. Altogether 6.5 million - 8 million copies sold in just under four months for a brand new IP would be stellar numbers.
Buggy Loop
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Salty Popsicle
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Ok, it's not only massive and growing now, it's throbbing
Vox Machina
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It's a photoshop but the ship is constructed from modules that have been shown in the pre-release media already.
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Vox Machina
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Could have something to do with Starfield
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sainraja
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Take my love. Take my land. Take me where I cannot stand!
I hope we can make the Firefly ship in the game.
MMaRsu
Member
Playstation was never the best place to play Bethesda games though, and most fans of Bethesda games know this. I think most will buy an xbox or set up a pc for it.
MMaRsu
Member
Without the acquisition the game would have launched last year, with countless bugs.
cheststrongwell
my cake, fuck off
This game needs to come out before the internet tears itself apart arguing about stupid shit like title screens and sales numbers!
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
Everspace 2 devs know what's up
Speaking of, I really need to play this before the month's end.
Speaking of, I really need to play this before the month's end.
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MMaRsu
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I've really loved the Starfield trailers so far, but I hope we get something close to this epicness
But this is honestly one of the best trailers ever made in my opinion haha. Ofcourse Skyrim is goated.
I know its a Starfield thread but it does get my hyped to think of what Todd will do with TES6, it should be insane. One gen away boys.
But this is honestly one of the best trailers ever made in my opinion haha. Ofcourse Skyrim is goated.
I know its a Starfield thread but it does get my hyped to think of what Todd will do with TES6, it should be insane. One gen away boys.
FoxMcChief
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If we can’t, you know it will be modded in.Take my love. Take my land. Take me where I cannot stand!
I hope we can make the Firefly ship in the game.