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The Last of Us Online has been cancelled
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Slothbeing1209
Member
How about add the multi-player on tlou p2 remastered?
diffusionx
Gold Member
I don't really agree with that premise, but even were it true, that doesn't say anything about what this game was. The only indication we have that it was groundbreaking or whatever is from the studio themselves, and they canceled it.
A few months ago it started leaking that this game just wasn't good enough and had to be majorly retooled and that's likely the situation, they weren't building a space shuttle just making a shitty MP game.
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Reaseru
Gold Member
come to think of it tho
...maybe it is for the better.
"Battlepass"? Ugh, yuck!
Not entirely true. GTA online is hugely successful and we are still getting another SP GTA game thought it took long enough.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Oh I don't think it was groundbreaking. It was likely one of the weakest games in PlayStations 12+ Live Service games. From what Naughty Dog wrote, it required a lot of content from them to keep players engaged...which corresponds with the Bungie leak earlier this year suggesting it suffered from player engagement problems. To me, that's a sign of a bad multiplayer game.
I just can't believe Naughty Dog didn't spend the last 6 years making a AAA Day Z. The formula is right in front of them.
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Calverz
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proandrad
Member
And that gta online trash is the reason we won’t see red dead 3 for another 10 years.
True but at the end of day blame the people who keep buying shark cards.
I don't think that TLOU online would have been as successful. GTA online works because they are always dangling new toys in front of players to buy with their shark cards. TLOU is limited in how many toys players can buy.
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JohnnyFootball
GerAlt-Right. Ciriously.
And I am in favor of them porting them over.
Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
What percentage of players buy shark cards in GTA Online?
You don't know because Rockstar doesn't divulge that information.
GTA Online is successful because it's fun to play in a sandbox world with other people.
Some of y'all really tinfoil hat these MTX.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
That would be the right thing to do for lou2 in 2020. Not every MP mode has to be giant in scope like COD or Fortnite. From what I remember, people even said factions 1 was good. So just expand on that with the 7 years of dev time from lou1 to lou2. They could already had 3 years of lou2 MP gaming with whatever revenue they’d make of mtx.
But they got the GAAS treasure chest itch of unlimited reoccurring leprechaun money dangled in their face as all the studios who make GAAS games always talk about it in their quarterly earnings reports like it’s the jackpot of gaming. Sony can’t do that because the only GAAS they have is GT but that’s not on the same level as a FIFA or Minecraft etc…
Since Sony is one of the huge gaming companies it finally got to them. They’d been SP focused first party gaming since PS4 launched. But all the articles you read about COD mtx and Fortnite monthly revenue was too big to ignore. All us gamers only read some of that kind of info which is public. Just imagine all the datasets they get internally from research companies showing the GAAS revenue per game. So they wanted in on it.
It’s no different than my company. Publicly all you can get is maybe some high level market share data between brands. That’s kind of it. And it’s going to be outdated too since it’s not like this data is publicly updated every month. But research companies we hire give full details on unit and $$& sales per item, per store, per week for all competing products. The metrics even go further like avg sales per store or distribution point, per tonnage (that’s a different kind of metric based where the products are standardized best as possible apples to apples based on product sizing…. Like a 1 litre unit is worth more than 1 unit that is 500 ML.)
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DenchDeckard
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I think the management slipped when Jim took over. Atleast, they seem to be making moves to potentially be back on track from next year.
Hopefully there hasn't been too much damage. I imagine the never officially announced horizon game is dead too.
Hopefully there hasn't been too much damage. I imagine the never officially announced horizon game is dead too.
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SneakersSO
Member
It may be one of the projects that are being reworked a bit. A bunch of them got cancelled, while many others have shifted. Costs of GAAS are too high for Sony to stomach.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
Given their track record, the right thing to do is keep on doing their giant selling SP games and partnership deals for the rest.
It’s not like MS buying Activision started it. It was already well in motion. Sony even still has COD gaming for another 10 years which would make it in PS systems well into PS6 with PS7 around the corner. So there is nothing to really be worried about. Maybe that’s one reason they axed Lou online: they don’t need it for competitive online gamers since COD is locked in till like 2034.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
They promoted like 10 new GAAS games in 2022 on the slides. What they should had done if they still are itching for mtx sales is focus on a couple bangers.
They already made a mistake during PS3 where they shotgunned a ton of shooters hoping one stuck. Every other company stuck with either 1 shooter (COD) or 2 shooters tops (gears and halo) or (moh and BF). Sony tried to take them all on with Kz, resistance, Warhawk/star hawk, mag, socoms, and those PC MMO ports. There is no way the PS shooter fanbase can support them all, nor can all of the games be great when there’s so many.
They spread the fanbase so thin none of them stuck. Gamers preferred the giant online gamer base of COD or BF.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
12+.
If you look at PlayStations studios, there are more than 12 teams who are hiring for Live Service positions.
What many people here don't realize is that it's impossible to make a huge AA SP game with a 100 person studio. We're in the AAA or bust era with SP games. GAAS multiplayer doesn't suffer from that problem.
could they not use some of what they've created and just add it as modes for last of us 2 remastered down the line . they can at least get somting out of the time and effort put into the development surley a small group could work on that while they work on thier new games.
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
It likely wasn't close to being finished. We never even got a vague gameplay trailer. It was probably stuck in pre production hell the entire time.
semiconscious
Member
what with the success of factions, the idea behind tlou online sorta made some sense. horizon multiplayer, otoh, has never made any friggin' sense whatsoever to anyone other than hermen hulst...
Eiknarf
Banned
But they said they retired Nathan, right? So would Uncharted 5 most likely be the daughter?
Eiknarf
Banned
Who can we blame? Biden or Trump?????????????????????????????????????????????????
DeepEnigma
Gold Member
Sully and Sam weren't retired. But the longer they wait, the older Richard McGonagle is getting.
Forsete
Member
ChoosableOne
ChoosableAll
It's interesting that it took them years to realize they don't have the capacity to maintain a gaas game. Anyway, there'll be more time for Ellie to bulk up.
Fake
Member
It's interesting that it took them years to realize they don't have the capacity to maintain a gaas game. Anyway, there'll be more time for Ellie to bulk up.
Thats Abby btw.
Generic
Member
Because the singlest of all single player games had a great multiplayer mode.
CherryFalls
Banned
druckman needs to go, and naughty dog needs to start making games again instead of progressive political messages
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Grildon Tundy
Gold Member
Holy poor management, Batman. How do you spend years and years developing this and not realize you're screwed sooner?
Sushi_Combo
Member
And you can still play it, why was there a need for another one
Varteras
Member
GIF of Jim doing coke off Margot Robbie's tits from Wolf of Wall Street! GO!
Torrent of Pork
Banned
I would like to publicly apologize to Jim Ryan for accusing him of lying when he said no PlayStation studio was as talented as ABK on the live-service front.
Turns out he was telling the truth.
Turns out he was telling the truth.
Matsuchezz
Member
They should sell it as a rarity for 20 bucks I would play it just to admire the technical aspects of it.
ChorizoPicozo
Member
Represent.
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They literally stopped developing the game not because they thought it would fail, but because they thought it would succeed and change the entire studio make up.
This is utterly fantastic news the more I break it down further.
They quite literally said no to a bag of Live Service money in order to stay TRUE TO THEIR ROOTS
This is utterly fantastic news the more I break it down further.
They quite literally said no to a bag of Live Service money in order to stay TRUE TO THEIR ROOTS
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Men_in_Boxes
Snake Oil Salesman
Hard to tell what's PR spin there and what's not.
The fact that they felt the game needed to have heavy support from the full Naughty Dog studio to keep players engaged long term is definitely not a sign of quality.
Light No Fire is a game made by ~20 people. They're confident in it because sandbox design is so much more replayable and doesn't require new content from hundreds of employees all the time.
Naughty Dog started out with a dumb idea (most likely).
Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
I mean it is definitely spin.
If the game was going so well that they thought it would take over their identity similar to how Bungie went from making games like Halo to games like Destiny, they had a couple different paths to proceed.
Either you grow exponentially to accommodate both or you farm out the game to a different studio like Sony Bend. If they believed in the game they wouldn't outright cancel it and not even release it as DLC.
StreetsofBeige
Gold Member
So true,
Name one company who has a product in development that is humming along well, looking good and projected to be a big money maker suddenly getting cancelled because the staff would have to work on another project concurrently, as if the department is destined to never grow bigger?
The game was probably in bad shape or they (and Bungie) couldnt figure to how to monetize it properly like a Destiny, so Sony axed it.
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Mibu no ookami
Demoted Member® Pro™
Even if it couldn't be monetized, releasing it as an online DLC for 20 dollars still makes more sense than canceling it.
So either this game has been in development hell for years or it never had the requisite resources to make it.
I think we all assume that the majority of resources went to this game because they were making it since TLOU2 but we have no idea how many people actually worked on it. They haven't had major layoffs, so I'm guessing it was a somewhat limited development team and they've simply decided to stop putting resources towards and and want to get TLOU3 out as quickly as possible. They have roughly 3-5 years to get that game out in time for Season 4, assuming Seasons 2 and 3 run the course of TLOU2 and assuming that season 2 is out in a year and there about 18 months in between Seasons 2 and 3.
Now assuming they have an original IP that they want to release within the next 2 years as well, it makes sense to not keep pouring resources into the online game if it isn't coming to fruition.
They probably gave the team a second shot after Bungie looked at it has probably been nearly a year since Bungie assessed the game give or take a couple months from when the news came out and a recent assessment probably said just can the game.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
What's so gross about this decision is that they're not making good on their promise that there'd be another competetive multiplayer LoU, considering how great the first Factions was. Just give people a stripped down version. Now there's NO WAY TO EVEN PLAY multiplayer with modern performance considering these bums didn't even include Factions in the LoU1 $70 Remake!
I swear Naughty Dog has really been showing their true colors this gen. Yes, I'm annoyed with them after how they talked up the LoU1 Remake and had the nerve to charge $70 for a ps5 remake that was a glorified ps4 game.
I swear Naughty Dog has really been showing their true colors this gen. Yes, I'm annoyed with them after how they talked up the LoU1 Remake and had the nerve to charge $70 for a ps5 remake that was a glorified ps4 game.
Feel Like I'm On 42
Member
Uncharted 4 had a GREAT multiplayer too. Strange to not see it included.
