Fess
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The Last of Us Part I (Remake) | Review Thread
bender
What time is it?
Not a knock on the review but more of a personal preference. I didn't care for the narrative, characters or their motivations in TLOU2 which is the polar opposite of the original. I was also kind of annoyed at how TLOU2 retcons some of my takeaways from TLOU, especially the ending. I read the closing scene as Ellie knowing Joel is lying which makes the trip back to Utah in TLOU2 all the more bizarre.
Chukhopops
Member
No need to be so pathetically agressive, dozens of remakes / remasters offered upgrade paths for existing owners, sometimes for free (sounds crazy, I know).
This one doesn’t and it’s ok that reviews mention it, deal with it.
Topher
Identifies as young
TLOU is viewed by the vast majority as a single player game first and foremost. I don't have a problem with the criticism that it lacks multiplayer or that its cost. Calling that statement hyperbole is being nice. I think it is just bullshit. Certainly not "practically perfect".
This shows the price at 39.99 GBP on the PlayStation Store in 2014.
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
en.psprices.com
SeraphJan
Member
Yeah, but numbers are objective, number based review make zero sense
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
She knows hes lying and choose to accept it at that moment, but the entire point of the three flashbacks was that she couldn't continue living with that lie. It kept eating away at her and the constant reminders of fireflies and other people dying due to lack of a vaccine made her break and go find the truth herself.
I just didnt see it as a retcon but more of an acknowledgement that it was never a happy ending. It was always bittersweet one and thats why we always knew that their relationship built on a lie would never last.
Elder Legend
Banned
That's not true at all. We always review games objectively unlike others.
How else do you think this works? Globally standardized test procedures? Some people value the price, some don't. Some Value story higher than gameplay, some value graphics higer than everything. Some have grown up with a PS/Nintendo/Xbox and value games from their brand higher and so on.
IWasInSeinfeld
Member
I think that you're losing your own argument by simply asking the question, because game developers and publishers will always find a reason for yet another release of the game that they already have, the hardest part of this whole discussion by far is to justify the existence of this remake, this is the most controversial part, but in the mind of the people that made the game it's improved graphics, improved accessibility, new content that can be anything related to cosmetic items, etc, but there is also one more factor, actually, two more factors that only apply to this game, 1 - HBO's show is not far from us, the people who will end up consuming it are to be expected to pick up this new game that came out recently. 2 - PlayStation 5, right now things are going rather slowly with the releases due to obvious reasons, so the release train has to be on track on matter what or they will lose the audience retention. If my comment somehow seems like it's trying to justify this release or condemn it, the way I see it it's neither of those things, because I am in the unique spot where I want to play this game, but $70 is the average salary where I live, on top of that I don't have PS5, so.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
TLOU is viewed by the vast majority as a single player game first and foremost. I don't have a problem with the criticism that it lacks multiplayer or that its cost. Calling that statement hyperbole is being nice. I think it is just bullshit. Certainly not "practically perfect".
This shows the price at 39.99 GBP on the PlayStation Store in 2014.
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
Yeah so 35 in nearly all stores on disk. Now it's double that and almost double the 39.99 asking digital price.
Metro are not far off with their comment. Basically twice the price and missing online. Crazy.
SeraphJan
Member
There are no criteria for what a good or bad games are, it all come down to the personal taste of the reviewers. On top of that reviewers often had no knowledge of the games they are reviewing, had to speed through games with cheats or on easy mode to meet the deadlines. Number based review is also a terrible way of rating a game.
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bender
What time is it?
If she knows he is lying, the trip to Utah is pointless as the only reason to make that journey is to resolve doubt. Personally, that diminishes the ending of the original and paints Ellie as naïve.
Topher
Identifies as young
Nah, it is a bullshit line designed to get attention. Guess it worked.
The worst part is that Metacritc combines all the different number based rating systems. Not a fan either. I think there should just be a pro and contra list and Metacritic should list the top 5 pros and the top 5 contras from all the reviews.
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SeraphJan
Member
Exactly, although not perfect, I prefer Steam user review over Metacritic/Opencritic
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Ive got no horse in the race but I know for a fact TLOU Remastered launched with an RRP of 39.99 pounds.
I got way back when.
Its always hard to find cached store pages from way back when, but a simple search around the drama of "give us a discount" will find articles talking about the launch price of the game.
No PS3 to PS4 upgrade discount for The Last of Us Remastered
Sony will not offer a discount to those buying The Last of Us Remastered on PlayStation 4 who already own The Last of U…
www.eurogamer.net
To quote the article:
The Last of Us Remastered is currently going for around £40 in the UK, but there are some good deals online. GAME and Amazon are selling it for £38. GameStop has it down for just under £30.
HisExcellency
Neo Member
It's interesting because I've always thought that reviews should be based entirely on the quality of the game and not external factors like price. But most reviewers took price and the fact that it is a remake of a PS3 game that was itself remastered.
That makes me wonder if this is something these reviewers ONLY did for this particular game or if they have always considered things like price in their reviews and they just don't mention it? Are games like Celeste and Dead Cells really 9's and 10's or do they score that high because they are typically $40 or less?
If the original Last of Us released without the multiplayer mode it probably would have scored basically the same as it did with it. But since this game does not include that mode (but does include Left Behind although it doesn't seem to have helped the review scores all that much) it's absence is a mark against it. I considered MGS V a masterpieces and so did IGN. But we all know there was a significant amount of cut content in that game. Should the missing content have factored into the score?
This game is obviously reviewing well enough and will sell 10+ million units but I think the discussions that can be had about the review process for these outlets is more interesting than any effect the reviews have on this particular game. Is IGN's 10 for Elden Ring worth more than it's 10 for Spelunky 2 because it's a full priced game and thus is judged on a higher scale than the indie game? It's just interesting to me.
That makes me wonder if this is something these reviewers ONLY did for this particular game or if they have always considered things like price in their reviews and they just don't mention it? Are games like Celeste and Dead Cells really 9's and 10's or do they score that high because they are typically $40 or less?
If the original Last of Us released without the multiplayer mode it probably would have scored basically the same as it did with it. But since this game does not include that mode (but does include Left Behind although it doesn't seem to have helped the review scores all that much) it's absence is a mark against it. I considered MGS V a masterpieces and so did IGN. But we all know there was a significant amount of cut content in that game. Should the missing content have factored into the score?
This game is obviously reviewing well enough and will sell 10+ million units but I think the discussions that can be had about the review process for these outlets is more interesting than any effect the reviews have on this particular game. Is IGN's 10 for Elden Ring worth more than it's 10 for Spelunky 2 because it's a full priced game and thus is judged on a higher scale than the indie game? It's just interesting to me.
GHG
Member
Ive got no horse in the race but I know for a fact TLOU Remastered launched with an RRP of 39.99 pounds.
I got way back when.
Its always hard to find cached store pages from way back when, but a simple search around the drama of "give us a discount" will find articles talking about the launch price of the game.
No PS3 to PS4 upgrade discount for The Last of Us Remastered
Sony will not offer a discount to those buying The Last of Us Remastered on PlayStation 4 who already own The Last of U…
To quote the article:
The Last of Us Remastered is currently going for around £40 in the UK, but there are some good deals online. GAME and Amazon are selling it for £38. GameStop has it down for just under £30.
Launched at £50 on psn:
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
en.psprices.com
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
So you're not allowed to complain? That's bullshit.
I love this game but its not worth the price of admission imo and I'm more than happy to wait for a sale. There's nothing wrong with me saying I agree with the comments the metro made. That's what started this.
I'm happy to wait and I will. I just think it should be cheaper.
adamsapple
Or is it just one of Phil's balls in my throat?
This is a weird take, we all knew in advance the game will be same in terms of content.
For sure. Also on Steam you don't have those console fanboys upvoting and downvoting their games. Userscore on Metacritc is a shithole.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Launched at £50 on psn:
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
No one was buying a game off psn for 50 pounds if that's even true. Not in 2014. It was still disks and the high Street or online.
It was 35 quid practically everywhere. Even cheaper in the odd place.
GHG
Member
I think it should be cheaper too because I've already played the original, so I'll wait for it to hit a price I'm happy with, there's no rush.
In the meantime it's good to see it is in fact a high quality remake that should be worth the price to those who have never experienced the game before.
Fess
Member
Sidenote: TLOU1 has the perfect ending. A sequel was never needed. Never played 2 but got spoiled on the story and Joel and I’ve never stopped frowning.
This Remake is special to me, TLOU is still something in this world through this game. It’s about a father that lost his wife and his daughter and still found a way to keep going and found a tiny bit of hope left in this dark world through his new relationship with Ellie. In 2 they destroyed all that but in isolation 1 is still awesome. I hoped I would get all the gameplay upgrades from 2 into 1 with this remake but sadly that never happened. I’ll still very gladly play it (when it comes to game-catalogue). 2 I can be without, not made for me.
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
crunchyBiscuits
Member
Scored in the region of what I was expecting. DF's video is surprising with regards to how old the original + remaster actually looks compared to the remake.
Ready to dive in again - luckily I avoided playing through the remaster or even replaying the original
I absolutely LOVED the way they ended the game. It's one of the few endings that has stuck with me for all these years - from any books/games/movies etc.
Ready to dive in again - luckily I avoided playing through the remaster or even replaying the original
I absolutely LOVED the way they ended the game. It's one of the few endings that has stuck with me for all these years - from any books/games/movies etc.
Sosokrates
Report me if I continue to console war
I think the rrp was £39.99 for PS4
Varteras
Member
This project only existed because a few people at Sony's Visual Arts wanted to be recognized as a legit development team and began working on a remake. Then got control of that project taken from them because they were doing a poor job and Naughty Dog was put in charge. No doubt already having its hands full at the time. The fact that they're able to pull off a high 80's (damn near 90) score with this project while cutting the original multiplayer, charging $70 which confused a lot of people, and left what some considered to be dated level designs as is, well that's damn impressive. I think that speaks volumes not only to the quality of the original game and how impressive the improvements they made are, but how well Naughty Dog operates. If they can get something this "controversial" to review this well, then we should all be excited for their next game.
But it's an analysis for absolute fucking tech nerds like us who watch DF - and most of us are savvy enough to know that OBVIOUSLY it's gonna look better than a *PS3* game - so yes.
SeraphJan
Member
Yeah, even on those rare occasions where users do drop massive negative review on Steam, you knew that something must definitely gone wrong with the technical aspect of that game, which is a strong indicator of red flag for the buyer. However this technical part is completely omitted in Metacritic type of review system.
Another good thing about Steam is that the reviews are constantly updated , meaning if the game was gradually fixed over time (both technical and gameplay), it will eventually be reflected on the final metric (with a separate "recent" metric as well).
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Topher
Identifies as young
But that wasn't the RRP and so stating this game is double the price is wrong.
Fess
Member
How?? It’s always subjective when a person is telling you how much they like something. Unless it’s about the number of pixels or triangles or some other metric you can have an actual factual figure on I don’t see how it’s possible to be objective. You can always try though.
Ghost of Caelid
Banned
This a tough game to review. TLOU is a 10/10 game you can play in 60fps for 10$. So it’s tough to say is the upgrades worth an extra 60$. A lot of the reviews don’t take the financial component into account which is fine. 9/10 for the experience is probably underrated in a vaccum.
Represent.
Represent(ative) of bad opinions
It’s fucking crazy and somewhat shocking g how this game is still inarguably the quintessential, top tier game of the genre. Only the sequel is better.
The game doesn’t feel outdated at all
The game doesn’t feel outdated at all
Umbasaborne
Banned
The scores make sense to me, but as someone who played the ps4 remaster for the first time
Only 3 years ago, i think i can comfortably wait for a discount.
Only 3 years ago, i think i can comfortably wait for a discount.
GHG
Member
Are we disputing the RRP or what the disk version could be found for at the time?
For the record I purchased it at launch via my US PSN account and got it for $49.99.
Spitfire098
Member
89 meta critic?! Naughty Dog stay winning.
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Black_Stride
do not tempt fate do not contrain Wonder Woman's thighs do not do not
Launched at £50 on psn:
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
Thanks for that store.
It fully confirms what I remember.
39.99
With 35 being easily findable brick and mortar.
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
en.psprices.com
It was 39 on PSN.
35 brick and mortar was basically anywhere/everywhere.
Lol you are way too pressed over this subjective review. Maybe to this reviewer factions was half the game, it doesn't matter what it was to you or "most people."TLOU is viewed by the vast majority as a single player game first and foremost. I don't have a problem with the criticism that it lacks multiplayer or that its cost. Calling that statement hyperbole is being nice. I think it is just bullshit. Certainly not "practically perfect".
This shows the price at 39.99 GBP on the PlayStation Store in 2014.
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
The reviewer exaggerated the price difference a bit. 40 to 70 pounds is not double. It was close enough though and people got the point. The point is that for them, it's less game for more money. Did you want him to calculate the exact percentage to align with your sensibilities? Exaggerating and using idioms to get a point across isn't anything new.
Salty Popsicle
Banned
When remakes from other publishers and studios add content that was not present in the OG game, do not remove content that was in the OG game, and in some cases are priced at a discount, then it definitely matters.
Spitfire098
Member
DenchDeckard
Moderated wildly
Thanks for that store.
It fully confirms what I remember.
39.99
With 35 being easily findable brick and mortar.
The Last Of Us Remastered
Price drop in official PlayStation Store store for The Last Of Us Remastered
It was 39 on PSN.
35 brick and mortar was basically anywhere/everywhere.
I thought as much, thought I was going crazy. At £70 its twice as much as nearly anyone paid for it..missing its online component.
I don't see why anyone would want to defend this.
Bartski
Gold Member
MasterDerico
Member
Banjo64
cumsessed
RRP at launch in the UK was £39.99.
Topher
Identifies as young
lol....if I'm "too pressed" then you are white knighting it a bit too much. I think what the reviewer actually says in the review is much better.
"The Last Of Us Part 1 is not only the most expensive version of the game ever but also the most content light, since it completely removes the multiplayer element..."
Nothing wrong with that at all. So yeah, I prefer that the statements made be about a game in a review be straight forward and accurate. Should I adjust my opinion on that to align with your sensibilities?
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This is why the remake was a bad idea. It was and is a truly great game but the end of the day it is a PS3 game. Calling it outdated is just pointless since it is a 10 year old game. Let it be a product of it's time. The PS4 version was already at 60 FPS so what else could they have done without completely redoing everything?