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The Last of Us Part II Director doesn't understand relaunching critiscism.
SlimySnake
Flashless at the Golden Globes
ND needs to spend some more time trying to understand why people are upset. They feigned confusion back when the remake came out and people asked why Dodge, Prone and enhanced melee from TLOU2 didnt make it into the remake,
I mean I dont agree with the criticisms over a $10 upgrade, but I understand exactly why people are upset. You are calling this a remaster without offering any meaningful visual upgrades. You are releasing this 3.5 years after the original without any meaningful visual upgrades. Just call it directors cut like Kojima and Sucker Punch did and move on. Their engineers do the bare minimum here and then wonder why people are unhappy?
Insomniac at the launch of PS5 was after to add RT reflections, better character models, next gen hair tech, increased NPC and traffic density and way better textures to Spiderman Miles' PS5 version. GG did the same for HFW. ND is following in the footsteps of Sucker Punch and SSM who did the bare minimum, but I dont remember their directors wondering why everyone was complaining. In fact, SSM owned up to it and said they wanted everyone to have the same experience which is why they didnt bother adding any PS5 specific features like RT or better character models.
I think ND has always felt they are above criticism. They have continuously released some very fake trailers and demos, and gotten away with it. I personally think this $10 upgrade is fine, but surely if that E3 2018 demo wasnt faked, they shouldve been able to include those character models, motion matching animations and Global Ilumination to the PS5 version now that there is no PS4 version holding it back. 3.5 years and they couldnt bring back those models or enhanced lighting? Or maybe that Ubisoft developer was right and they faked/scripted everything.
Was playing Horizon FW last night and good god the hero lighting enhances the shit out of Aloy. She looks a generation ahead of both Ellie and Drake, and on par with the bs 1080p 60 fps so called realtime trailer ND released for Uncharted 4. They smartly used the PS5's horsepower to get close to those visuals ND promised almost a 5-10 years ago. This was ND's chance to do the same and they blew it.
I mean I dont agree with the criticisms over a $10 upgrade, but I understand exactly why people are upset. You are calling this a remaster without offering any meaningful visual upgrades. You are releasing this 3.5 years after the original without any meaningful visual upgrades. Just call it directors cut like Kojima and Sucker Punch did and move on. Their engineers do the bare minimum here and then wonder why people are unhappy?
Insomniac at the launch of PS5 was after to add RT reflections, better character models, next gen hair tech, increased NPC and traffic density and way better textures to Spiderman Miles' PS5 version. GG did the same for HFW. ND is following in the footsteps of Sucker Punch and SSM who did the bare minimum, but I dont remember their directors wondering why everyone was complaining. In fact, SSM owned up to it and said they wanted everyone to have the same experience which is why they didnt bother adding any PS5 specific features like RT or better character models.
I think ND has always felt they are above criticism. They have continuously released some very fake trailers and demos, and gotten away with it. I personally think this $10 upgrade is fine, but surely if that E3 2018 demo wasnt faked, they shouldve been able to include those character models, motion matching animations and Global Ilumination to the PS5 version now that there is no PS4 version holding it back. 3.5 years and they couldnt bring back those models or enhanced lighting? Or maybe that Ubisoft developer was right and they faked/scripted everything.
Was playing Horizon FW last night and good god the hero lighting enhances the shit out of Aloy. She looks a generation ahead of both Ellie and Drake, and on par with the bs 1080p 60 fps so called realtime trailer ND released for Uncharted 4. They smartly used the PS5's horsepower to get close to those visuals ND promised almost a 5-10 years ago. This was ND's chance to do the same and they blew it.
mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Recently the director of The Last of Us Part II Remastered, Matthew Gallant, who is a veteran at Naughty Dog and was also the director of The Last of Us Part I, claims that the remaster is the best experience of the game:
Elsewhere in the interview, Matthew Gallant claims that the visual leap between the original sequel and the remaster is reminiscent of the transition between The Last of Us on PS3 and The Last of Us Remastered on PS4. Both games (TLOU 1 and TLOU 2) were released at the end of the consoles' life cycle.
He told no lies. Maybe some of the haters are just..............................................hating.
GametimeUK
Member
I think if TLOU2 Remastered wasn't labelled as a "remaster" it wouldn't receive as much backlash. Just call it a special edition of the game or a Directors Cut.
Comparing it to TLOU1 Remastered is a bit difficult since we now have backwards compatability and developers have been pumping out free updates to games. The PS3 version can't run on the PS4 so a re-release and remaster had to be done to reach the visual fidelity and framerate.
Comparing it to TLOU1 Remastered is a bit difficult since we now have backwards compatability and developers have been pumping out free updates to games. The PS3 version can't run on the PS4 so a re-release and remaster had to be done to reach the visual fidelity and framerate.
It's funny seeing this for this game yet nothing else for the other Director's Editions and Remasters. This is just a bunch of people with a personal vendetta bitching up a storm about a game that's been haunting them for 4 years. Also you can already play the game at 60fps on the PS5 so you're not forced to pay for the upgrade if that's what you want.
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Saber
Member
It won't be long until they get more 4 LOU remasters in a future for either pro or PS6.
What amuses me is the typical "hate" card people keep spamming. Its never their fault, its aways people for keeping hating. Devs are perfect.
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mckmas8808
Mckmaster uses MasterCard to buy Slave drives
Most of this is true. But it's also won't matter in the medium to long term because it's mainly just super hardcore nerds that are complaining about the TLOU2 Remaster.
The majority don't thing TLOU is oversaturated. Nor do they think it's a big negative thing.
Punished Miku
Human Rights Subscription Service
A Director's Cut implies that it's a re-release of the exact same content with a couple minor additions (like deleted scenes, a commentary track). That's pretty much exactly what this is. Lost levels, commentary track and a small new mode.
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Chuck Berry
Gold Member
#1 on Amazon for PS5
Again proof that we all live in Bubble Kingdom. The majority of people just dont give a fuck and want more Last of Us. Simple as that.
Again proof that we all live in Bubble Kingdom. The majority of people just dont give a fuck and want more Last of Us. Simple as that.
DForce
NaughtyDog Defense Force
You know what's funny? Check out the Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut review thread.
Analysis - [DF] Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut PS5 Upgrades Tested
Performance is 60fps on PS5 in BC, so yeah you can. You can get 4KCB/60 frames, haptic feedback and the other (meager) enhancements using the base PS4 version? Well then charging 10 bucks for the upgrade is even more of a scam! I'm always sitting when browsing this forum. What're you...
[DF] Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut PS5 Upgrades Tested
dEvAnGeL
The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered PS5 - DF Tech Review - A Worthy Upgrade?
dEvAnGeL
The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered PS5 - DF Tech Review - A Worthy Upgrade?
Fake
He didn't say anything in the Ghost of Tsushima Digital Foundry thread, but he did in fact like a comment prising the Director's Cut.
[DF] Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut PS5 Upgrades Tested
The comments he liked.
While a lot of people complained about the director's cut looking identical, he didn't have anything to say.
This is what fake outrage looks like.
Xaeroxcore666
Member
May be this happens because is a "remaster" no one asked for, in the first place...And visually isnt even a proper remaster....Is more like a port and that´s it. Probably good for the hardcore fans of TLOU2, irrelevant for the others. We want more real next gen games in our PS5...Our vanilla PS5!
R6Rider
Gold Member
You know what's funny? Check out the Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut review thread.
Analysis - [DF] Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut PS5 Upgrades Tested
Performance is 60fps on PS5 in BC, so yeah you can. You can get 4KCB/60 frames, haptic feedback and the other (meager) enhancements using the base PS4 version? Well then charging 10 bucks for the upgrade is even more of a scam! I'm always sitting when browsing this forum. What're you...www.neogaf.com
[DF] Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut PS5 Upgrades Tested
dEvAnGeL
The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered PS5 - DF Tech Review - A Worthy Upgrade?
dEvAnGeL
The Last of Us Part 2 Remastered PS5 - DF Tech Review - A Worthy Upgrade?
Fake
He didn't say anything in the Ghost of Tsushima Digital Foundry thread, but he did in fact like a comment prising the Director's Cut.
[DF] Ghost of Tsushima Director's Cut PS5 Upgrades Tested
The comments he liked.
While a lot of people complained about the director's cut looking identical, he didn't have anything to say.
This is what fake outrage looks like.
Miyazaki’s Slave
Gold Member
Seriously…who uses “consternation” in a conversation these days.
kiphalfton
Member
This generation has been a dumpster fire for naughty dog. No new games to speak of. Just two remasters and a remake.
And yet there will be those who can't see through that thinly veiled attempt at trying to fool people, be pedantic, and exclaim "but those are new games".
Coming off the PS4 gen, this is just sad. Since we got Uncharted 4, Last of Us II, and Uncharted Lost Legacy.
The Cockatrice
I'm retarded?
WHY R U GUYS UPSET OVER PAYING FOR A PATCH???
Majormaxxx
Member
They are the same picture
phant0m
Member
Yup, that’s my take. In the 4 years since TLOU2 launched you’ve produced a remake, a remaster and a TV show all of the same IP. Plus another remaster of the 2 PS4 Uncharted games.
Why are you allergic to making something new ND?
Hugare
Member
Man, TLOU Remastered had even less effort than this and was sold for $50 (retail, if that matters) one year after releaseNo one paid $60 for TLOUR
And I got it for £34.99 at launch here in the UK so I'm sure across the pound it was cheaper than the $49.99 too
The Last of Us: Remastered Price Drop Leads to Refunds - IGN
Sony is offering refunds to players who pre-ordered The Last of Us: Remastered following a price drop.www.ign.com
Let's just call this what it is, a last ditch effort with zero effort put in to get more sales out of TLOU2 as the sales are stagnant.
Was it also a last ditch effort to get more sales out of TLOU 'cause they were stagnant? Seriously, you guys
killatopak
Member
Complaining about no visual difference is dumb because if that’s the only thing you’re complaining about, you are still welcome to buy the cheaper PS4 version and play it on your PS5 or if you already own it, you’re not forced to buy it.
Although I say it is dumb, it is a low hanging fruit and easy to complain about. There’s simply not enough visual difference between remasters unlike TLOU remastered. To the common eye, it’s hard to spot if there really are improvements. I don’t blame people for thinking that its low effort.
While $10 for the new game mode is worth it, that mode coming out just after GOW released a similar mode for free isn’t a good look.
Admittedly, I do have complaints about the way the story panned out in TLOU2 but it was the farthest thing I thought about regarding this remaster. Please don’t lump everyone with criticism about the game as simply a hater because of it.
Although I say it is dumb, it is a low hanging fruit and easy to complain about. There’s simply not enough visual difference between remasters unlike TLOU remastered. To the common eye, it’s hard to spot if there really are improvements. I don’t blame people for thinking that its low effort.
While $10 for the new game mode is worth it, that mode coming out just after GOW released a similar mode for free isn’t a good look.
Admittedly, I do have complaints about the way the story panned out in TLOU2 but it was the farthest thing I thought about regarding this remaster. Please don’t lump everyone with criticism about the game as simply a hater because of it.
NuclearDiarrhea
Member
The idea that people wouldn't be complaining about the "remaster" if it was released as a "director's cut" is funny to me. If this was released as a "Directors Cut" instead of a "Remaster", people here would still bitch and complain about the lack of graphics upgrades etc. People clearly want to hate this game and ND no matter what. I get it, ND have been slimy as fuck this gen, but I'd respect people more if they just outright say they hate them instead of using weird mental gymnastics to justify it. Not that hard.
Tsaki
Member
Naughty Dog put the trolls into a corner with this one
1. If you have the game, all the new content is $10. The game still is BC and in you library, with even a 60 fps update on it.
2. If you are a new player, it's a $50 game, no different if they kept the PS4 version at $50 and sold it to you.
So now, they have to say non-sensical stuff. "You can't remaster a game that is 4 years old" (says who, Nintendo does it). "You should have given all of this for free anyway. I don't care that is costs money to make, GIVE ME FREE STUFF BERNEY"
1. If you have the game, all the new content is $10. The game still is BC and in you library, with even a 60 fps update on it.
2. If you are a new player, it's a $50 game, no different if they kept the PS4 version at $50 and sold it to you.
So now, they have to say non-sensical stuff. "You can't remaster a game that is 4 years old" (says who, Nintendo does it). "You should have given all of this for free anyway. I don't care that is costs money to make, GIVE ME FREE STUFF BERNEY"
Stooky
Banned
no people are just haters. sooooo many other games have done this. And some charged full price for it BUT this one gets all the hate.
Mr Moose
Member
No. It's $10 for Ragnarok PS4 to PS5.
Clear
CliffyB's Cock Holster
It is. LOL.
They just happen to be ALSO offering it as an all-in-one package for new users. Which is fine.
Noone is being forced to buy the upgrade with additional content. The game always ran and looked great on PS4 and was previously patched to support some PS5 features for free.
There is literally nothing to complain about, and yet... here we are!
hinch7
Member
True. Though with the amount of effort into this 'Remaster' they could've patched most of this and offered DLC as a separate entity. But yeah that's to be expected, after Horizon FW, Sony did say that PS4>5 upgrades will be $10+.
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God of War Ragnarök Collector’s Edition unboxing, pre-orders available today
Plus details on all the game’s different editions, from Standard to the Jötnar Edition.
blog.playstation.com
The DLC was free though, but there was still a PS4 → PS5 upgrade fee when the game was released.
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Xaeroxcore666
Member
Also others did more and without charging any cent.
Killer8
Member
It's very funny that a borderline semantic difference between calling it a "Remaster" versus calling it a "Director's Cut" would be all that would be needed to absolve this game of people's unjustified anger.
How dare Naughty Dog use the wrong word to describe their optional $10 upgrade!
How dare Naughty Dog use the wrong word to describe their optional $10 upgrade!
Shake Your Rump
Banned
“It is difficult to get a man to understand something when his salary depends upon his not understanding it.”
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saintjules
Gold Member
For some reason it's hard for people to turn away from something. They didn't point a gun to your head to buy it.
There's new products that come out annually. You don't need to buy any of it, lol.
There's new products that come out annually. You don't need to buy any of it, lol.
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TacoSavage
Member
This industry is full of whiny, spoiled fucking idiots.
Obviously a small team did this remaster, its only$10 bucks and you get enough to justify the price of two starbucks coffees. These remasters are done by a group of employees that are paid a weekly salary and this probably took a few months to put together. Why would this be free? because you feel entitled? If you're not interested either play the PS4 version or skip it altogether, I don't understand why anyone is whining about this. They are not pulling valuable resources from their other projects because at least this part 2 remake was done by a much smaller team hence the price.
I could not wait for the inevitable remaster because bringing this to PS5 platform natively is just the right thing to do, the second season is filming and it did game of thrones numbers. All the new fans going into this franchise will now experience it on PS5 in its full remastered, cutting edge glory. The ps4 version at 60fps might be okay to most but the picture quality was soft, the pop in super annoying and it took a full minute almost to load, no haptics, etc.
I personally specifically did not touch this masterpiece for two years knowing that the remaster is inevitable and I wanted to experience it again in native 4k fidelity via 120hz VRR for that smooth framerate and all the bells and whistles, this alone is worth the 10 bucks bar none.
If you dont care about this remaster skip it but don't whine about it like a prick, no one gives a fuck about your opinion and let newcomers and old fans alike experience these two games in the best way possible.
Last of Us is a huge franchise pushed into the mainstream by the HBO show, this universe is not going anywhere.
Obviously a small team did this remaster, its only$10 bucks and you get enough to justify the price of two starbucks coffees. These remasters are done by a group of employees that are paid a weekly salary and this probably took a few months to put together. Why would this be free? because you feel entitled? If you're not interested either play the PS4 version or skip it altogether, I don't understand why anyone is whining about this. They are not pulling valuable resources from their other projects because at least this part 2 remake was done by a much smaller team hence the price.
I could not wait for the inevitable remaster because bringing this to PS5 platform natively is just the right thing to do, the second season is filming and it did game of thrones numbers. All the new fans going into this franchise will now experience it on PS5 in its full remastered, cutting edge glory. The ps4 version at 60fps might be okay to most but the picture quality was soft, the pop in super annoying and it took a full minute almost to load, no haptics, etc.
I personally specifically did not touch this masterpiece for two years knowing that the remaster is inevitable and I wanted to experience it again in native 4k fidelity via 120hz VRR for that smooth framerate and all the bells and whistles, this alone is worth the 10 bucks bar none.
If you dont care about this remaster skip it but don't whine about it like a prick, no one gives a fuck about your opinion and let newcomers and old fans alike experience these two games in the best way possible.
Last of Us is a huge franchise pushed into the mainstream by the HBO show, this universe is not going anywhere.
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I'm seriously trying to figure out the mental gymnastics you guys are performing right now because WHAT?! Announcing a mode DLC for $10 is okay but not as a package with PS5 features?! WHAT?!
TheThreadsThatBindUs
Member
Some people just don't seem to understand that not everything made by Sony is for them.
hinch7
Member
A wild Neil Druckman appears!
The game came out in 2020 we're now in 2024. I wouldn't call that "just came out".
Where does he say it's not for existing fans? there is nothing really controversial about what was said:
"My sense is there’s an audience for this for whom the idea of a PS5 version is thrilling. I’m also speaking for myself, I’m excited we can bring this to the fans, and if it’s not for everyone, that’s fine."
You just seem to be mad that a PS5 version exists with added modes that even existing owners can upgrade to for $10. If you're still not interested just play your PS4 version with the free performance patches on PS5. What exactly is there to complain about?
Agent_4Seven
Tears of Nintendo
Fuckin' BS. Even PC version won't do that for that matter. But that's what TLOU Part I did.
Yeah, no shit. That's exactly what I've said in DF thread. Thanks for proving me right, Matt.
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TacoSavage
Member
a 10$ upgrade is a cash grab lol, are you 14 and cant afford it? Or do you expect big patches 4 years later for free. CD Projekt Red is the only dev that does that, game development is insanely expensive and a small fee to upgrade is fair.
What is a fucking cash grab is modern warfare 3, a full priced 70$ game
tmlDan
Member
Very rarely is it free updates, and usually it came with stipulations like CP2077 that was absolute ass at launch so they had to give it for free to win back good will.
In BG3 it seems like they didnt even finish the game, so they're finishing it up via updates after.
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