The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky the 3rd coming west for PC in 2017

Oh, wow, no Vita version? I don't suppose there's a way to transfer a save file for SC on Vita to TC on PC?

I still haven't played SC and haven't completed FC. Might have to make the move to PC if that's the only place I can get the complete trilogy, though it'll suck having to buy the games again. Again.
 
Ventara said:
Oh, wow, no Vita version? I don't suppose there's a way to transfer a save file for SC on Vita to TC on PC?
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No but it's easy to find a 100% complete save for both FC and SC.
Ventara said:
I still haven't played SC and haven't completed FC. Might have to make the move to PC if that's the only place I can get the complete trilogy, though it'll suck having to buy the games again. Again.
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The neat thing about PC releases is that you'll never have to rebuy the game. It'll still work on modern hardware a decade from now.
 
Ventara said:
Oh, wow, no Vita version? I don't suppose there's a way to transfer a save file for SC on Vita to TC on PC?

I still haven't played SC and haven't completed FC. Might have to make the move to PC if that's the only place I can get the complete trilogy, though it'll suck having to buy the games again. Again.
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Most likely no way to transfer. You can download a save to use though, the only thing 3rd checks is your bracer rank from SC. It's not like SC where NPCs had different dialogue depending on whether or not you did their quests in FC. Shouldn't be any reason to double dip unless you just want to.
 
epmode said:
No but it's easy to find a 100% complete save for both FC and SC.The neat thing about PC releases is that you'll never have to rebuy the game. It'll still work on modern hardware a decade from now.
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A 100% save file just isn't the same. Other than the fact the my save file might not be 100%, it feels like cheating.

Not sure how PC compatibility changes the fact that I'd have to rebuy it, though.

chaosblade said:
Most likely no way to transfer. You can download a save to use though, the only thing 3rd checks is your bracer rank from SC. It's not like SC where NPCs had different dialogue depending on whether or not you did their quests in FC. Shouldn't be any reason to double dip unless you just want to.
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It only checks bracer rank? If so, I'm pretty sure I can find a save file with the appropriate rank. Thanks!
 
Really nice to hear that the third chapter is coming over, even if it is only for PC. I double dipped on the PC version of FC on release, and a few days ago a friend gifted me SC on PC. Started playing it, and realized I don't remember a lot of the stuff and characters that are getting mentioned right in the beginning, since I hadn't touched FC since I beat the PC version right at release.

Think it's time for a FC replay before hitting SC.
 
Ventara said:
Oh, wow, no Vita version? I don't suppose there's a way to transfer a save file for SC on Vita to TC on PC?
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Tom's said on the XSEED forums that he's had an idea to talk to Sara about, regarding this. He doesn't know if anything can or can't be done about it, however. Don't write it out, but so far, don't expect one way or another yet.
 
Aselith said:
Crazy for it to go from Vita only to PC only in one generation
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Actually, it went from PSP and PC to PC only. The whole issue here is that it was a PSP game released at the beginning of last generation which later went on to be Vita compatible. If it was a native Vita game (without legal hoops to jump through) I doubt there would be any question as to its release on that platform in the West.

Incidentally, the Vita versions of the trilogy recently began releasing in Korea. At least someone is willing to go through the effort to nail down the proper permissions.
 
I've been meaning to play these games for quite a while. It was going to be on Vita, but I guess I'll have to immigrate to PC for the sake of the third game. Which only delays my playing of these games even longer. For my sake, I hope they're timeless.
 
Thud said:
Such a tease :(
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Shizuka said:
Guess who just bought SC on PC today. I'm sorry Vita, but I'm still a Kiseki fan through and through.
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So did I directly after the 3rd announcement. XSEED deserves all my support!

Playing it on PC is only a tiny tiny hurdle compared to the other ones that this series had to fight with.
 
chaosblade said:
That's based on incorrect speculation. SC is by far the most text heavy game in the series.

The very rough breakdown Tom mentioned before, might not be 100% accurate but it's in the general ballpark:

FC - 1.5m
SC - 3.5m
3rd - 1m
Zero - 2m
Ao - 2m
CS - 1.5m (but a bit smaller than FC)
CS2 - 1.3m

Still, even 3rd is pretty huge. He said the number of games they localize with more than around 600k characters is very small (basically Trails, SoS, and RF).
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I'm still convinced that the 3 million count of SC is way off the mark. Using my own calculation method -- in which I count the number of Japanese characters through regular expressions -- I end up with the following numbers, which more closely represent my own experiences with the games, such as my hunch that Ao had more text than SC.

These counts include all script files, books (and newspapers), item descriptions etc.

FC: 1.151.033
SC: 1.413.846
3rd: 754.948
Zero: 1.373.778
Ao: 1.621.130
CS: 1.513.876
CS2: 1.415.512

In comparison, Tactics Ogre (PSP) had 700.000 characters and Final Fantasy XII weighed in at 600.000.

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1.336.209 in Chrono Cross. So yes: massive.
 
Gu4n said:
I'm still convinced that the 3 million count of SC is way off the mark. Using my own calculation method -- in which I count the number of Japanese characters through regular expressions -- I end up with the following numbers, which more closely represent my own experiences with the games, such as my hunch that Ao had more text than SC.

These counts include all script files, books (and newspapers), item descriptions etc.

FC: 1.151.033
SC: 1.413.846
3rd: 754.948
Zero: 1.373.778
Ao: 1.621.130
CS: 1.513.876
CS2: 1.415.512
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I honestly have my doubts about SC having such a large script as well. I mean what exactly is it that would push it to be more than double what CS 1 is said to be at? The school alone has just as many npcs as most of the towns in Sky, each with their own unique dialogue that also changes after major events, not to mention most field study areas having a large amount as well. SC "may" have a bit more in terms of books, probably helps that they didn't have to rewrite the Carnelia for CS, but it's not like CS is lacking in book text either.
 
Pellegri Testament said:
I honestly have my doubts about SC having such a large script as well. I mean what exactly is it that would push it to be more than double what CS 1 is said to be at? The school alone has just as many npcs as most of the towns in Sky, each with their own unique dialogue that also changes after major events, not to mention most field study areas having a large amount as well. SC "may" have a bit more in terms of books, probably helps that they didn't have to rewrite the Carnelia for CS, but it's not like CS is lacking in book text either.
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Regarding that, I found 158.360 characters on books (and equipment/item/spell descriptions) in SC and 79.215 on books only in Sen. Sen II has a character count on books of 121.404.
 
Okay since it was only £6~ I decided to buy FC on Steam even though I own it on PSN. Kind of in anticipation even if 3rd is a year or more away. A few questions that might be silly or evn naive.

I'm primarily a console gamer and rarely if ever play on PC. Yes I do have a Steam account and I have bought games before, but all of those were all were typically mouse and keyboard games such as RTS's like Age of Empires and so on. I've never played a game with a controller.

So can I say just plug my PS4 pad in and control the game? Will it auto detect it or will I need to configure some stuff? And once I'm in will I just play as normal? Sorry if these question seem obvious but i'm speaking out of ignorance and inexperience here.
 
Shahed said:
Okay since it was only £6~ I decided to buy FC on Steam even though I own it on PSN. Kind of in anticipation even if 3rd is a year or more away. A few questions that might be silly or evn naive.

I'm primarily a console gamer and rarely if ever play on PC. Yes I do have a Steam account and I have bought games before, but all of those were all were typically mouse and keyboard games such as RTS's like Age of Empires and so on. I've never played a game with a controller.

So can I say just plug my PS4 pad in and control the game? Will it auto detect it or will I need to configure some stuff? And once I'm in will I just play as normal? Sorry if these question seem obvious but i'm speaking out of ignorance and inexperience here.
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I think you may need some drivers for that. Played it with a steam controller at first, but switched to keyboard exclusively when I switched laptops. Or you could play it with just the mouse.

Whatever you prefer.
 
Pellegri Testament said:
I honestly have my doubts about SC having such a large script as well. I mean what exactly is it that would push it to be more than double what CS 1 is said to be at? The school alone has just as many npcs as most of the towns in Sky, each with their own unique dialogue that also changes after major events, not to mention most field study areas having a large amount as well. SC "may" have a bit more in terms of books, probably helps that they didn't have to rewrite the Carnelia for CS, but it's not like CS is lacking in book text either.
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SC allows you to choose party members with much more freedom than FC, and the optional members are nearly as talkative as the required characters. It's not the usual throwaway interjections you get in most other games.
 
Shahed said:
Okay since it was only £6~ I decided to buy FC on Steam even though I own it on PSN. Kind of in anticipation even if 3rd is a year or more away. A few questions that might be silly or evn naive.

I'm primarily a console gamer and rarely if ever play on PC. Yes I do have a Steam account and I have bought games before, but all of those were all were typically mouse and keyboard games such as RTS's like Age of Empires and so on. I've never played a game with a controller.

So can I say just plug my PS4 pad in and control the game? Will it auto detect it or will I need to configure some stuff? And once I'm in will I just play as normal? Sorry if these question seem obvious but i'm speaking out of ignorance and inexperience here.
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Believe it or not, you can play all of Trails with a keyboard and mouse, and in my opinion, it's the best way to play them. So if you're used to using that control method already, you should be set to go.

I just fired up SC last night to begin my replay, and the kb+m works just as beautifully as I remember. Though, I will say I kind of wish I could use the top row kb numbers to jump to menu tabs, but I can't have it all.
 
Gu4n said:
I'm still convinced that the 3 million count of SC is way off the mark. Using my own calculation method -- in which I count the number of Japanese characters through regular expressions -- I end up with the following numbers, which more closely represent my own experiences with the games, such as my hunch that Ao had more text than SC.

These counts include all script files, books (and newspapers), item descriptions etc.

FC: 1.151.033
SC: 1.413.846
3rd: 754.948
Zero: 1.373.778
Ao: 1.621.130
CS: 1.513.876
CS2: 1.415.512

In comparison, Tactics Ogre (PSP) had 700.000 characters and Final Fantasy XII weighed in at 600.000.

Edit:
1.336.209 in Chrono Cross. So yes: massive.
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I've seen numbers like this suggested before, but Tom was pretty adamant they weren't right. SpaceDrake too, regarding SC.
 
I still have no doubt that SC is the largest in the series as far as script goes. But after playing both games and being thorough in regards to talking to npcs, it's extremely hard to believe that SC has more than double what CS 1 has.
 
Thud said:
I think you may need some drivers for that. Played it with a steam controller at first, but switched to keyboard exclusively when I switched laptops. Or you could play it with just the mouse.

Whatever you prefer.
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Nyoro SF said:
Believe it or not, you can play all of Trails with a keyboard and mouse, and in my opinion, it's the best way to play them. So if you're used to using that control method already, you should be set to go.

I just fired up SC last night to begin my replay, and the kb+m works just as beautifully as I remember. Though, I will say I kind of wish I could use the top row kb numbers to jump to menu tabs, but I can't have it all.
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I have my laptop hooked to a TV so I'd kinda have to play with a controller. Besides there's no reason why comfy couch gaming can't work on PC as well right :P

I've messed around with it a bit and I've managed to reconfigure some controls and setings. The increased resolution and screen size make a world of difference. The text and the character portraits are so much better than they were on PSP/Vita. Even the scenery somewhat. Shadows are better on the characters but the only thing that looks a little off is while is the actual characters themselves.

It detected the DS4 as a generic pad. I'll use Playstation terms here but Confirm started on Square and Camp/Cancel on X, and I've switched them to X and Circle respectively and fiddled with other controls slightly. The only problem I have is that for some reason upon booting up the game and contrlloing Estelle, the camera keeps spinning :(

Edit: Do PC games lack motion blur for lower FPS? I've had no problem playing these Trails games at 30 before, but 30 here felt jarring and nearly gave me a headache, but I was fine once I switched to Auto/60
 
Shahed said:
It detected the DS4 as a generic pad. I'll use Playstation terms here but Confirm started on Square and Camp/Cancel on X, and I've switched them to X and Circle respectively and fiddled with other controls slightly. The only problem I have is that for some reason upon booting up the game and contrlloing Estelle, the camera keeps spinning :(

Edit: To PC games lack motion blur for lower FPS? I've had no problem playing these Trails games at 30 before, but 30 here felt jarring and nearly gave me a headache, but I was fine until I switched to Auto/60
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Try entering game controller properties and recalibrating.

Motion blur is a very specific effect that has to be programmed in. What you're perceiving as motion blur on the PSP is probably the poor response time of the LCD panel it uses. PC monitors generally have much better response times, and thus less perceived overlap between adjacent frames.
 
StarCreator said:
Try entering game controller properties and recalibrating.

Motion blur is a very specific effect that has to be programmed in. What you're perceiving as motion blur on the PSP is probably the poor response time of the LCD panel it uses. PC monitors generally have much better response times, and thus less perceived overlap between adjacent frames.
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Tried that and couldn't find anything. A quick google showed a lot of people had the same problem and disabling right analog camera fixes it and it worked for me so that's great. tempted to replay the entire game now! I'll wait till after I play 3rd before I go back though. Will probably make it more interesting.

The quality of the screens do make sense, but I'm playing this on the same TV I play all my console games on so it shouldn't make a difference right? Not that it matters considering this game is easily ran at max/60fps.

EDIT: Came across another random bug. Item desciptions didn't show up and it was annoying me. A search showed that it was a problem if using a controller. The blue bar saying what all items/weapons/orbments and so on did remains blank. However pressing Esc on the keyboard and navigating that way shows them. The even weirder thing is if I open the camp menu using the keyboard/Esc, then using the controller after will show all descriptions. The problem only happens when opening the camp menu via a pad.
 
YianGaruga said:
Considering we have this picture which includes the page numbers

And taking the 1.5m characters for FC as a baseline we'd end up at roughly 1.9m characters for SC, assuming average character count per page is equal.

With Gu4n's numbers of 1.15m for FC characters we'd end up with 1.46m characters for SC, which is to be close the number Gu4n came up with
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Note that those books do not include NPC text, which is why the 3rd's book is thicker than FC's.
 
YianGaruga said:
Considering we have this picture which includes the page numbers
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I keep saying I need to redo that photo because the whole reason I took it was for a completely different observation. Hahaha

It was because the sidequests of 3rd take up more text than the main scenario, and it's the only game to do that of the trilogy.

Also, regarding text counts, I don't doubt that SC is a bigger game than both Cold Steel games, but I'm not sure of the text count for it vs Ao. Ao is a giant game.
 
chaosblade said:
I've seen numbers like this suggested before, but Tom was pretty adamant they weren't right. SpaceDrake too, regarding SC.
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Yes, and apparently they got these numbers from Falcom so I should be ashamed for not politely nodding at their statement. But my question is mostly how I can be spot on regard to the Cold Steel word count but off by 1.5+ million in SC's case. So far, I haven't been able to find an in-game line I missed with counting.
 
We keep talking about the insane task of localizing this stuff but how many writers work on these games? Because this shit is insane.
 
Basileus777 said:
A series of videos of translated segments from 3rd.
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It's a little more than just videos, though. There are two manga chapters and next week's is all text as well.

And there will be some Ys stuff and Sound team jdk stuff in the near future.

And maybe something related to "(expletive deleted) Ored" very soon.

The videos that were from 3rd were done were for Cold Steel.
 
Gu4n said:
Yes, and apparently they got these numbers from Falcom so I should be ashamed for not politely nodding at their statement. But my question is mostly how I can be spot on regard to the Cold Steel word count but off by 1.5+ million in SC's case. So far, I haven't been able to find an in-game line I missed with counting.
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I couldn't tell you, that's something to ask XSEED since they have said their counts for the ones they have worked on came pretty close to Falcom's numbers. I'm not sure what they would possibly have to gain by lying about the text quantities though.
 
kunonabi said:
No console or handheld version means I'll skip it.
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I really hope this game does OK despite people with this attitude.

I guess it depends on how big a fan you are of these, but I practically bought my PC to play FC on. I can understanding wanting console or handheld versions, but I'd never be able to skip this because it's not on my preferred format. (Full disclosure, I'd probably prefer a console version if that was a viable option).
 
zakujanai said:
I really hope this game does OK despite people with this attitude.

I guess it depends on how big a fan you are of these, but I practically bought my PC to play FC on. I can understanding wanting console or handheld versions, but I'd never be able to skip this because it's not on my preferred format. (Full disclosure, I'd probably prefer a console version if that was a viable option).
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I just despise playing games on PC and even if I didn't my PC cant run jack to begin with.
 
kunonabi said:
I just despise playing games on PC and even if I didn't my PC cant run jack to begin with.
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Unless it's riddled with malware or otherwise performance-impaired, it could probably run this game. The system requirements are really low.

And what do you despise about playing games on PC? Personally, I'm going to be playing it on a TV with a controller, the end result is no different than playing on a console.
 
chaosblade said:
Unless it's riddled with malware or otherwise performance-impaired, it could probably run this game. The system requirements are really low.

And what do you despise about playing games on PC? Personally, I'm going to be playing it on a TV with a controller, the end result is no different than playing on a console.
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Nevermind the fact Steam Link works well and makes the process of streaming PC games to TV ridiculously simple.

I can't wait for someone to develop a Steam Link handheld so there are truly no excuses for passing this up.
 
chaosblade said:
I couldn't tell you, that's something to ask XSEED since they have said their counts for the ones they have worked on came pretty close to Falcom's numbers. I'm not sure what they would possibly have to gain by lying about the text quantities though.
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Gu4n's numbers might very well be more accurate, but I'd also be surprised if XSEED would be this wrong regarding SC's character count after working on it for so many years. I'd imagine that they know fairly well how long the scripts for the games they already localized are (which is reflected by them changing CS2's character count from Falcom's 1.3m to their own 1.45m).
 
Where this will probably be a silly question to many, but as someone who hasn't bought anything digitally via PC (all my PC games are boxed), will there most likely be a way to purchase this without having to go through Steam?

I don't have a Steam account and don't really want to sign up for it if I can avoid it.
 
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