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The Legend of Korra: Book 4 |OT2| ALL HAIL THE GREAT UNITER
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Second base = Getting shot at by a laser beam?
That Dude John
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I think he was pushing too hard for third.
I wonder how intimate characters actually get on Korra. Mako and Korra barely touched each other when they were dating and madly in 'love'.
Hugging was a pretty common occurence in TLA, and kissing less so but it was treated very casually. Suki kissed Sokka a few times just cuz, I think. There was a whole episode dedicated to Aang and Katara will-they-wont-they kiss sort of deal.
In general, I feel it takes a lot for the people here to even hug each other. And most of that is familial love, not romantic love.
With Bataar, the most affectionate thing he ever got from Kuvira that we saw is when she held his hand for a bit, but it'd be bizarre as all hell for them to be getting married before even kissing. Probably a good thing it got canceled, because can you imagine them going at it when the 'you may kiss the bride' moment comes?
Hugging was a pretty common occurence in TLA, and kissing less so but it was treated very casually. Suki kissed Sokka a few times just cuz, I think. There was a whole episode dedicated to Aang and Katara will-they-wont-they kiss sort of deal.
In general, I feel it takes a lot for the people here to even hug each other. And most of that is familial love, not romantic love.
With Bataar, the most affectionate thing he ever got from Kuvira that we saw is when she held his hand for a bit, but it'd be bizarre as all hell for them to be getting married before even kissing. Probably a good thing it got canceled, because can you imagine them going at it when the 'you may kiss the bride' moment comes?
That Dude John
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My lord, it's like they were trying to eat each other. 
I'd always assumed meaningful intimacy of any sort was just offscreen.
I'd always assumed meaningful intimacy of any sort was just offscreen.
JadedWriter
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It's like those virgins have never seen a porno before.
They're not just virgins in that they hadn't had sex, but also never kissed, anyone. That was their first ever kiss period. So I'm pretty sure no, they haven't seen porn.
That Dude John
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Tbh, I've never kissed anyone, but how does one have a relationship without ever having kissed the person? I can understand abstaining from sex due to certain beliefs, but no kissing at all?
JadedWriter
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I can't understand that either. My girlfriend and I are all over each other during our dates so it's hard for me to see people dating for long periods of time without touching or kissing each other.
I'm a virgin too and I've never kissed a woman before about 2 weeks ago. I'm the least experienced one, but the girl helps since she's got more experience. Two virgins doesn't exactly make for a good physical relationship I'm going to assume, must feel pretty awkward.
m_shortpants
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Good lord that video O_O
Take it easy!
Take it easy!
FeenixRising
Banned
ew.
JadedWriter
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Even I kiss better than them.
That Dude John
Member
I bet at least Kuvira knows how to kiss.
And way more according to Owler.
Batar Jr is literally the only reason kuvera is anything.
I'll shit on mako all day, Imma stand up for batar jr.
FeenixRising
Banned
According to Owler, Kuvira knows how to get kissed.... in certain places.
He ain't nothin but a low down simp at the end of the day, Mako may have taken a few Ls in his lifetime but he ain't have a spirit cannon fired on him by his girl.
JadedWriter
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Unlike Mako Kuvira knows damn well how to end a relationship.
1 I don't think you know what a simp is
2, while he did get a lazer fired at him, he did, like technologically advance the shit of their world building all that. Along with his moms bailing him out of jail probably he could be a great asset to society and the world at large when it comes energy harnessing mechanisms, and war time stuff if they still wish to build that sort of. They are humans so they are.
Kuvera was just mean and could metal bend, what he did was way more impressive.
And whats sillier is you all play up like "Oh kuvera was playing him the whole time" I don't think that happened. It seemed apparent the two actually liked each other there was no " simping involved " she was just so much of a sociopath that she was willing to throw her relationship out the damn window just to get what she wanted. They were going to get married remember? She probobly the type of person, if she would have won, she would have blammed the avatar for killing her fiancee rather than herself. You see how quick kuvera is just to blame other people for shit that happens, " its not my fault for killing my fiance, i just wanted order, the avatar made me do it " that's the type of person she is.
I'm drawing a thing, hopefully the thing i'm drawing communicates that point.
FeenixRising
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All he did was followed up on the work Varrick put in before he was unceremoniously booted from Kuvira's army.
And I damn well know what a simp is because I'm simping a fine young lady in real life now. And you know damn well that shit was a one sided relationship.
Bataar ain't shit, he's a spoiled little bitch who got mad at mommy for not giving him the attention she gives all the other kids. Found the first woman who actually looked at him without throwing up and joined her. Then got shot at as a thank you present, I wish she would've killed him quite honestly, dude was Season 4 Kai status. You could've removed him and the story would've advanced the same way.
m_shortpants
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Yeah I don't think he was a simp either. He made the robot. Bow down to the true emperor of the earth kingdom.
His logistical prowess made the conquest possible. Kuvira ain't shit without Bataar. Once she abandoned Bataar she got taken down fast.
No one gives Kuvira shit for leaving Zaofu, why give Bqtaar the same grief?
His logistical prowess made the conquest possible. Kuvira ain't shit without Bataar. Once she abandoned Bataar she got taken down fast.
No one gives Kuvira shit for leaving Zaofu, why give Bqtaar the same grief?
BKatastrophe
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Yeah I don't think he was a simp either. He made the robot. Bow down to the true emperor of the earth kingdom.
His logistical prowess made the conquest possible. Kuvira ain't shit without Bataar. Once she abandoned Bataar she got taken down fast.
No one gives Kuvira shit for leaving Zaofu, why give Bqtaar the same grief?
Best character no regrets.
Icyflamez96
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Can't say Kuvira never loved Battar. We saw Kuvira's reaction after shooting him with the laser to show that it was a hard thing for her to do.
FeenixRising
Banned
Yea, it's about time I finally retire from this thread now. Even after all the 'awesome' pics and randomness I posted in the past few months, I don't even think I can handle all the new found love for as tumblr dubs him 'fuckboy jr.'
Icyflamez96
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We're just pointing out the facts bruh
pls. Kuvira was probably planning that stunt for weeks.
Icyflamez96
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Sike
FeenixRising
Banned
Bout time some folks with some sense came in here. I thought I was lost in one of Jr's dreamscapes were he pretends everyone likes him.
BKatastrophe
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Bataar Jr. for President.
"There are people on tumblr who disagree with you "
Yea, it's about time I finally retire from this thread now. Even after all the 'awesome' pics and randomness I posted in the past few months, I don't even think I can handle all the new found love for as tumblr dubs him 'fuckboy jr.'
I think i'm doing ok with my life.
Fanfiction.
That would imply that kuvera thinks a ahead, and is intelligent. She is neither of those things, she's just mean and can metal bend real good.
I think the ideal way to portray him would have been to have him question her leadership at some points. I would think of him kind of like Rory from Doctor Who. He'd be willing to do anything for her, abandoning his family, facing down the avatar, whatever. If she told him that she needed him to rub lemons into his eyeballs, he'd do it and give them an extra squeeze to make sure he got all every drop of acid in there as he could. But let him atleast be self aware that he's way, WAY head over heels for this girl to the point of being unhealthy, and maybe have him criticize her when necessary. Not that if she was stubborn and stuck with it, he wouldn't go through with it, but give him a mind of his own instead of being her yesman. And you could probably have a pretty cool scene where he comments how he is aware she doesn't love him the way he loves her, which would be interesting no matter what Kuvira's response is.
Neither of them being self aware was kind of the point.
The whole plot was them having their heads up their asses.
I can't agree. To my judgement, it's impossible to gauge Kuvira's feelings on the matter. The girl has like 1 facial expression when she's not fighting Korra or has a giant spirit cannon in her hands that she can't unfire. I honestly can't tell if the expression she made was meant to signify "Oh no, Bataar!...but I have to move on with my dream. I'm so sorry." or "Dammit, Bataar, they got bataar....Okay, that sucks, but I have to move on" or "Oh, Bataar's captured? Okay, let the guys see I'm not heartless that I'm struggling with this aaaand...okay, that's good, now lets nuke these guys"
It could be any of those or a hundred different variations. She might be wondering what she had for lunch yesterday. Or she might be in genuine anguish, who the hell knows.
And since we don't know Kuvira's feelings, we can't know if Bataar is delusional either. Obviously, he's mistaken in that he thinks she wouldn't fire on him, but that could be because she's lying or because she's just making a split second decision that she doesn't actually agree with. People can make irrational decisions like that. It might be that Kuvira loves Bataar exactly the way he thinks, but it was just one bad moment where she messed up. Since Bataar's delusion depends entirely on how genuine Kuvira was, which we have no way to gauge, it's up in the air.
This isn't a problem of the cahracters being unaware, it's a problem of the audience being unaware. We know she restrains her feelings in most situations, so just one scene where we got a glimpse of whats really going on would have informed us a lot about the characters, but instead we're kind of stuck in ambiguity. It could mean anything, and therefore means nothing.
m_shortpants
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Yea, it's about time I finally retire from this thread now. Even after all the 'awesome' pics and randomness I posted in the past few months, I don't even think I can handle all the new found love for as tumblr dubs him 'fuckboy jr.'
FeenixRising
Banned
you're lucky you don't have punchable Mako as your avi....
I'll defend Mako, but I will not defend Bataar Jr, he is a waste of thought. Like legit the worst character ever and a chump master 2000. This isn't even going into his relationship with Kuvira. The crux of his character is the fact that his dad was super awesome and everyone compared him to his dad...which would make sense.
IF HE DIDN'T work in the exact same field as him! I mean, holy shit. It would be one thing if he wanted to be an artist or his dad was a great earthbender and his technological advances were ignored. But what was he think was going to happen?
Even then, that's not a good excuse. He is a character that easily could be taken out of the plot and nothing would be lost. I think Amon's Second Hand man was a less whiny and more productive character.
IF HE DIDN'T work in the exact same field as him! I mean, holy shit. It would be one thing if he wanted to be an artist or his dad was a great earthbender and his technological advances were ignored. But what was he think was going to happen?
Even then, that's not a good excuse. He is a character that easily could be taken out of the plot and nothing would be lost. I think Amon's Second Hand man was a less whiny and more productive character.
BKatastrophe
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You just be hatin' on Bataar Jr. cuz he got that sick hair and he gettin that Kuvira booty
You mean the guy that gets jobbed by EVERYONE?
You mean the guy that gets jobbed by EVERYONE?
Icyflamez96
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Yeah I think Bataar is worse than Mako tbh.
I personally can't come to hold a grudge on Mako, with his confused and foolish self, considering how he wasn't out to genuinely try to hurt anyone. Of course I was annoyed at the moment, but he was fine later, and him acknowledging his mistakes gave me a bit more of a liking to him at least.
I personally can't come to hold a grudge on Mako, with his confused and foolish self, considering how he wasn't out to genuinely try to hurt anyone. Of course I was annoyed at the moment, but he was fine later, and him acknowledging his mistakes gave me a bit more of a liking to him at least.
You know thats a thing that happens in real life very often right? Like... a lot .... right? People entering the same field as someone else in their family because they have genuine interest and constantly being compared to that family member, I have never experienced this, but from what understand, its psychologically draining. It leads people to change their names to avoid association with that person, some people will deny any type of affiliation entirely. That's the type of thing that breeds inferiority complexes, some people don't handle that shit the same.
I disagree.
Icyflamez96
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Bataar could have been a lot more compelling if they had more time to flesh out his back story and motives.
Some of those fanfiction comics are legit good.
Some of those fanfiction comics are legit good.
I recently went to a reading by the author Andre Dumas III. He's gotten a lot of success, and his father, Andre Dumas, was extremely successful in his own right.
He got 200 rejection letters before his book made it, but he never felt like he was in his father's shadow. It's more like his conflict was portraying him in his book Townie, which had him as a very absent father. A priest came up to ADIII, saying that his father's book is what made him take up priesthood, so he was very disheartened to see such a negative portrayal by his son. ADIII didn't hate him or anything, in fact he loved his dad and was worried that he had dishonored his memory in some way, but he had to be honest in his writing, so he wrote him like he lived his life.
I don't know how common the whole "living in the parent's shadow" thing is statistically for people who go in the same professions as parents, but I don't think it's the only way to go about that conflict. Still, I think he was more defined by his love for Kuvira than his relation to his family. If anything, the ending implied that Kuvira corrupted him rather than that his bad family ties were genuine.
That's cool for the gent you mentioned, but I wasn't saying that's the only way that narrative plays out. I will say however, for a lot of people, it effects them, poorly.
I will agree with your last point though.
Then I would just argue, it feeds back into they just had their heads up their own asses point. And how its valid, because at the end, kuvera just kind of gives up, like her head was removed from her ass, and she saw the destruction that had occurred whilst her head was up there.
And I think that was the point, I think they were just two people who legit loved each other and fed into each others bullshit as soon as they got a little power. And are quick to blame other for their misfortune, rather than their own misstepping.
At least he looked cool when he got jobbed.
FeenixRising
Banned
But that's like damn near everyone in LoK though sans Amon... and Unalaq's boring ass who managed to get an in depth back story but managed to squander that by being just plain uninteresting.
m_shortpants
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He had a cool voice though
BKatastrophe
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Can I just point out that Bataar and Jr. were not in the same field. Bataar was an architect. Bataar Jr. was an engineer. All Bataar did was design, but he didn't actually construct anything. Bataar Jr. actually did the work, which probably made the inferiority complex far worse.
But, as you were. Same old, same old.
Ghazan's was cooler though.
Just like everything.
Ghazan will always be cooler.
Or just no Part 3.
But, as you were. Same old, same old.
Ghazan's was cooler though.
Just like everything.
Ghazan will always be cooler.
Or just no Part 3.
Well, at least I laughed. Bataar didn't even get that much out of me.
I was just pointing out that there are multiple narratives that the whole Bataar-family relationship could have taken, and if the whole "I am living in my father's shadow" thing is trite, why assume that was the only path to be taken? And like I said, I don't think we know the actual statistics to how many people feel the way you describe them. It feels like that's what it should be like, but it might not be. After all, most people aren't famous in their professions so taking up the same mantle might not be a big deal for most people since their parents don't get recognition anyway.
And like I said in my post, your interpretation has about as much legitimacy as any other one. There's too little to support a deeper relationship with the whole Kuvira/Bataar thing on any level. It could be what you say as much as anything else. That's the problem of the writing.
Hell you talking about Feenix? We didn't get any background to Unalaq's character at all. That is the big problem with him.
The same logic can be applied to how it was actually lessened, since Bataar Jr. could be secure in that he was actually doing shit, going beyond his father.
It feels like they went with like the first draft of a script that everything feels shallow that we literally have to make things up for the characters not to seem this shallow.
m_shortpants
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That pretty much describes like 85% of Korra though.
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