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I don't think any of the zelda games (aside of Zelda 2 and the CDI games) are bad and I would score all of them 90+
GinoFelino
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Man, OrbitalBeardJr is a lot more foul-mouthed and aggressive than his dad is
Please put spoilers here: http://www.neogaf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=1347238
If a post requires a spoiler tag it's probably not meant for this topic. Sorry for ruining the fun.
TheGreatMightyPoo
Banned
I thought he was grounded...
Silent_Ocarina
Member
I don't see why some people are offended by the mere suggestion that the game has less than stellar graphics. Obviously it is probably the close to the best it could be on Switch, but it is hard to argue that the game would be any worse if it were made with modern hardware. I'm not even disappointed by the visuals (maybe TV mode frame rate is a little disappointing), but I can recognize that the game could look much better. Clearly it is not possible given Nintendo's choice of hardware, so I'm not really bothered by it. Acknowledging what could have been possible isn't a crime.
It's pretty jaw dropping, but not in the Horizon Zero Dawn sense. Still for a (partially) handheld system, this game is as impressive (graphically) as Mario 64, Metroid Prime, or OOT was for consoles.
Plus, on the technical side of things, this game is wrestling with a physics engine in an open world with a stable framerate while still looking beautiful on underpowered hardware. It definitely is a technical showpiece in its own way, as much as Horizon or UC4. If you think "technical" accomplishments are only about image quality, then you have a very one-dimensional view about how to push hardware.
kuroneko0509
Member
parental control app isn't out yet
Dressage is silly though.
Because you can care about the quality of something without having to have the absolute best, most expensive version. I care a lot about graphics, but that doesn't mean I need to have a high-end PC. I can still be plenty disappointed and plenty impressed by games. Unfortunately, the Switch has a power level that doesn't allow Zelda BOTW to be impressive to me anymore (except from a handheld game standpoint).
This is what frustrates me. I mean, pretty much everybody would like it if the game looks better. Why else do so many Nintendo fans talk about beautiful the game is? Visuals must be important to them. It looks a lot better than, say, Twilight Princess. So if it even looked a theoretical generation ahead of what we got (which we be possible on PS4-PS4 Pro level hardware and certainly not out of the realm of possibility), that could only be a good thing to all of these people gushing about the visuals, right? So why defend them when there are clear and fairly drastic shortcomings in several areas?
Alas, since Nintendo decided to make it a handheld, we got the best or around the best we could have gotten, so it is what it is. I'm pretty happy with the visual output overall. Disappointed from a console standpoint, happy with it from a handheld standpoint.
NOLA_Gaffer
Banned
Where the hell are you finding a Switch a week out from release?
It isn't a phenomenon exclusive to Zelda. I've observed that franchises with a number of great titles have their poorer titles viewed more favourably than they would seem to merit. But I'd say that also happens with GTA and Metal Gear Solid, for example.
That said there are certainly Zelda games that deserve their 90+ Metacritic scores. Ocarina of Time? Wind Waker?
And it's all opinions anyway, so it doesn't really matter.
Doesn't seem to be the case.
There's something going on specifically with Zelda, it's hard to tell what's causing these (apparently still rare) issues on TV.
To be fair, this is a launch game, and it will also likely be very dependent on what each game is trying to do. Increasing the resolution on an open world game when docking is likely a much more taxing thing than increasing the resolution on a fighting game for example.
Argos baby!
You need a calendar, bro?
A particular Miyamoto meme comes to mind, haha.
Skyward Sword is a +90 game. PH is an +85 game.
TalentAlwaysWins
Banned
Oh yes I agree. There are definitely Zelda games worth 90. The recent ones not in the slightest. 80's maybe but not over that. Yeah it's all opinions in the end but it's my opinion that they are skewed a certain way.
Neoleo2143
Member
More importantly, the game's AI is both surprising yet able to be learned. And I think that's what the real accomplishment.. Enemies behave as you would expect and because planning is such a huge part of the game it reminds me of Resident Evil 4's triumphs.
Here's mine:
http://www.gamereactor.es/avances/378283/The+Legend+of+Zelda+Breath+of+the+Wild+-+impresion+final/
Absolutely loving it so far. Ofc some things I have to check when I complete it, but feel free to ask and I'll answer as far as I can.
BTW, did you know Switch game cases are pretty much same size as the Dock itself? I don't believe in coincidences:
http://www.gamereactor.es/avances/378283/The+Legend+of+Zelda+Breath+of+the+Wild+-+impresion+final/
Absolutely loving it so far. Ofc some things I have to check when I complete it, but feel free to ask and I'll answer as far as I can.
BTW, did you know Switch game cases are pretty much same size as the Dock itself? I don't believe in coincidences:
GAF is obsessed with finding new GOAT things. Happens a lot on off topic side too ("Is X the greatest Y of all time?"). Kinda weird IMO. Zelda can be a great launch title without being an all-encompassing GOAT.
Welcome aboard!
These previews... I cannot deal with my hype right now. I just can't. This game is going to be a treasure. It's really happening!!!!!
Meh, everyone knows it could look better, I don't think anyone would dispute that. But like, it's hard to argue that there's any real point to posts repeatedly bemoaning that it doesn't look as good as it could have, or wishing it was on a PS4, etc. Because realistically it's like, well... what do you want us to do about it? What we got is what we got, which imo looks pretty good considering the art style.
The Futurist
Member
I don't understand why people have such a hard time accepting that a choppy framerate should not be acceptable for a game running at 900p in 2017 on brand new hardware.
Obviously this game isn't pushing any technological boundaries because it's running on an under powered machine.
Why can't we have this exact graphic style, just running more smoothly without people immediately jumping to defend poor performance.
The question is: Should a game that looks like this and runs at 1600x900 be locked at 30 frames in 2017?
There is only one answer.
Obviously this game isn't pushing any technological boundaries because it's running on an under powered machine.
Why can't we have this exact graphic style, just running more smoothly without people immediately jumping to defend poor performance.
The question is: Should a game that looks like this and runs at 1600x900 be locked at 30 frames in 2017?
There is only one answer.
Dark Cloud
Member
A Link Between Worlds was fantastic.
Welcome aboard!
It probably will be. There is no power in the dock.
Logically speaking increasing resolution comes at the cost of framerate
Discomurf
Member
interesting thanks for the link
Really curious about the Wii U version's final framerate
GinoFelino
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All I know is my gut says 'maybe'
Diablohead
Member
If they do I hope they try SD and 720p docked settings, I want to know if it does anything to performance or if the switch still has a 1080 buffer or whatever before resizing the output.
Dude your screens are always the best ones. Every time, they are the less compressed/most appreciable of the whole bunch.
Oh, wow, didn't notice that.
TalentAlwaysWins
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It would be different if it was built from the ground up for Switch but this is a WiiU port so yeah the choppy frame rate shouldn't be defended.
SpiceMelange
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The part in spoiler was linked multiple times in this very thread dude.
The Wii came out 10 years ago. This debate has been played out, and there really is nothing more to say. There's no reason to pretend that Zelda is the best looking game ever, but there's also no reason for that to halt your enjoyment of the game.
Yes, outdated hardware. Nintendo. 2006, what a brave new year that was.
The Futurist
Member
Again, it's 2017 and this is new hardware.
If it looks like this and runs at 1600x900, it should be running at 60 frames.
Who am I kidding? I'll play it and probably love it.
This was the year where we convinced ourselves that a tablet was a home console. That is the power we are getting from Nintendo in 2017.
If it looks like this and runs at 1600x900, it should be running at 60 frames.
Who am I kidding? I'll play it and probably love it.
This was the year where we convinced ourselves that a tablet was a home console. That is the power we are getting from Nintendo in 2017.
GiantBreadbug
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hot
I believe the Switch is supposed to run faster than it would in Handheld mode, and therefore hotter, and the fans in the dock would compensate. So, theoretically, there shouldn't be a performance decrease.
It's possible they overestimated how well the Switch could render certain effects at a high resolution.
Ya.
I think one of the previews said the framerate is better in the final compared to the demo build? (1.0.0 vs 12S). Not sure how big the difference is.