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[speiky]

Horizon had 188 in 7 days, this thread can't top that with the OT now released.

The review embargo wasn't as strict as Zelda's though.
We had more time before the OT dropped.

 

[SRTtoZ]

You know, I've always wanted portable Skyrim, and we're gonna get that, but honestly maybe this is what I always wanted all along hahah

You know whats crazy? We're getting both.

 

[silva1991]

I'm done.

Haha.

 

[Icedburden]

fuck! I cancelled my Switch day one preorder from Bestbuy 2 days ago... Now I regret so much after seeing the Zelda reviews.

The game will always be good. Waiting won't hurt

 

[Firemind]

You are right, this is what "next gen" game play is. It's not about aliasing, resolution, and narrative. Next gen gameplay should be improvements in game design, physics, and AI.

Still, I think you are selling it short. Nintendo has chosen to use the additional horse power for AI and physics. Although you can't really see it visually, it is still very taxing on the hardware since you are running it on every entity in the game world.

Yeah all those chickens aren't going to fly themselves.

 

[Charamiwa]

people keep bringing him up but Jim never lets his personal grievances with a company cloud his reviews. if it's a good game and he likes it it'll get good marks. if not then it won't.

I guess you're right but lately he's been especially confrontational with Nintendo. Like first thing he did on twitter today upon seeing the reviews is making fun of Nintendo fans not being able to handle a 8/10 that will probably come. Then had a podcast up with "Breath of the Wild 12/10!!!!!" as a title. He seems a bit obsessed lol.

Maybe I should have more faith in him, I'm sure his review will be good.

 

[Omnistalgic]

It's ironic that after many threads lamenting the lack of "next-gen gameplay" in the latest wave of consoles, the first game that looks to truly shake things up is capable of running on hardware barely more powerful than the PS3/360.

Nah, Blood Borne and MGSV are classics IMO. Zelda is the first to shake things up in the open-world genre, which is basically the hot ticket this generation.

I actually think the Zelda vs. Horizon thing is very interesting if we can move passed the fanboy nonsense of it being on two different platforms. Its an interesting case of design philosophies in the gaming industry.

 

[andymcc]

I agree. Some have gotten lost in the graphical weeds seeing performance as the only metric worth paying attention to in games. Those are the folks I'm talking about.

It's weird to see this when Nintendo fans seemed to be eager to shit on graphics during the 16-bit generation. Maybe that abuse of mode7 rotation finally had a mental effect.

 

[Huge Succeeded]

I agree. Some have gotten lost in the graphical weeds seeing performance as the only metric worth paying attention to in games. Those are the folks I'm talking about.

Those folks do not exist. That's just how you've chosen to paint people who care about performance more than you do, because it's easier to ridicule them or dismiss their valid opinions and concerns that way.
I'm so hyped for Zelda, but PC is where I do most of my gaming, and as someone who peruses PC-centric threads, I'm all too familiar with this happy horseshit! It's the lamest straw man that ever caught on at GAF, and the most commonly trotted out.

 

[Tagyhag]

While I enjoy higher framerates that is an extreme example. At 5 fps it's a slideshow.

Sure, but that's the point, framerate does affect gameplay.

 

[Formosa]

I HATE YOU. YOU SQUANDERED A GOOD THING I WISH I HAD!

And I'll be in line tonight at a Best Buy lol. See you there!

Sorry mate :/ I was going to make a post here to offer one of you my preorder, but somehow I just cancelled it. Ya a lot of bestbuys will have them in stock tonight. I called my local one in NY, and they say they will have a lot for people w/o preorder.

 

[The Hermit]

.

No one is saying that, it's just that the game would be better if it was 4K/60fps locked.

Would it not be?

If you go by that metric all games are worse then it should be. And that includes Half Life 2, The Last of Us, GTAV, Dark Souls and ocarina of Time.

This game apparently (since I haven't played yet, but a lot did) set out things and accomplish them. This is not a GTAV for Ps3/xbox360 case, where the framerate doesn't affect the gameplay.

It's a very valid criticism, but it doesn't deny the whole game.

 

[Ricky 7]

I was so close to not buying a switch but I can't miss out on the best game released in the past 20 years.

 

[Peltz]

I can't help but think that getting hundreds of dollars worth of gear from Nintendo for free before it was out would impact my score on a game.

Bruh.

 

[JershJopstin]

It's weird to see this when Nintendo fans seemed to be eager to shit on graphics during the 16-bit generation. Maybe that abuse of mode7 rotation finally had a mental effect.

That was over 20 years ago. They've changed strategies and thus audiences since then.

 

[blankempathy]

Sure, but that's the point, framerate does affect gameplay.

To an extent yes. This is coming from someone with a 144hz monitor. There are diminishing returns. The difference between 5 fps and 60 is like night and day compared to 144 and 60.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

I can't help but think that getting hundreds of dollars worth of gear from Nintendo for free before it was out would impact my score on a game.

You'd think the actual Switch hardware reviews would have been more positive, if this were the case.

Because it isn't the case, silly.

 

[morpix]

Just walked into my local retailer in NZ and got it.

 

[andymcc]

Bruh.

Gaming journalists colluded on Zelda's score, I have the emails. #NintyLeaks

 

[totowhoa]

Sorry mate :/ I was going to make a post here to offer one of you my preorder, but somehow I just cancelled it. Ya a lot of bestbuys will have them in stock tonight. I called my local one in NY, and they say they will have a lot for people w/o preorder.

Aha it's all good. I just wish I'd taken off work tomorrow!

 

[joms5]

The idea that it must be the best graphically or so many frames to be good has just been obliterated. The Switch, a portable system, just released the greatest game of all time and beat every single AAA effort on PS4, PC, and Xbox. The greatest game of all time mantle is now held by a portable game.

Portable game?

You do realize this was a Wii U game right?

 

[Aaron D.]

The idea that it must be the best graphically or so many frames to be good has just been obliterated. The Switch, a portable system, just released the greatest game of all time and beat every single AAA effort on PS4, PC, and Xbox. The greatest game of all time mantle is now held by a portable game.

I agree. Some have gotten lost in the graphical weeds seeing performance as the only metric worth paying attention to in games. Those are the folks I'm talking about.

Holy Straw Man, Batman.

Wowzers.

'Gaf delivers.

 

[Stormhammer]

edit: already beaten to death

 

[Grakl]

It's weird to see this when Nintendo fans seemed to be eager to shit on graphics during the 16-bit generation. Maybe that abuse of mode7 rotation finally had a mental effect.

yeah man I remember shitting on competitor graphics before I was even born, lmao SNES was the best!

 

[King of Cups]

Nah but this game could persuade me to get a Switch this holiday along with Mario instead of waiting, I'll have to see more gameplay. I've gave Zelda a shot many times (OOT, Wind Waker, Hourglass, Twilight) but it just never holds my attention for longer than 2-3 hours.



But framerate IS gameplay. If I showed you a game being played at 5fps, and another at 60fps, do you feel like both would control the same? Feel the same? Be the exact same amount of fun?

Framerate is more about optimization, which is what developers and enthusiasts should be focused on, not gamers. You can be all of the above, but I wouldn't strap that on a focus for what makes a good game.

Does it matter to us? Well, hell yeah, if I can't control a game well enough to appreciate it, it doesn't matter how good it is. But, there is a level of well-balanced acceptance on both ends. If a game isn't fun, I don't give a shit if it's the best looking thing I've ever seen.

 

[Sesuadra]

not sure if posted but

https://video-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v...=2751d48c21c18d0af8e671933e250d63&oe=58B8B975

WAY to often.

 

[SuperSah]

I can't believe it.

It's going to be incredible, isn't it? I've not read reviews this positive in my life. I am so ready. Bring tomorrow on.

 

[spekkeh]

It's weird to see this when Nintendo fans seemed to be eager to shit on graphics during the 16-bit generation. Maybe that abuse of mode7 rotation finally had a mental effect.

That's an awkwardly long grudge to nurture.

 

[Raven117]

Don't nevah change Gaf.

I for one am looking forward to playing this and seeing what the "open world" looks like to Nintendo.

No more....No Less.

None of this "best game in 20 years" type expectation. Just...what does Nintendo have in mind for this.

 

[Kodaman]

Horizon had 188 in 7 days, this thread can't top that with the OT now released.

Well, half of the post in that thread are about zelda anyway...

Spoiler

 

[Pancakes R Us]

Looks like this is gonna be the new Metroid Prime.

 

[SmokedMeat]

The idea that it must be the best graphically or so many frames to be good has just been obliterated. The Switch, a portable system, just released the greatest game of all time and beat every single AAA effort on PS4, PC, and Xbox. The greatest game of all time mantle is now held by a portable game.

You're putting in a lot of work today.

 

[OrbitalBeard]

It's weird to see this when Nintendo fans seemed to be eager to shit on graphics during the 16-bit generation. Maybe that abuse of mode7 rotation finally had a mental effect.

Man, review threads are the best.

 

[The Futurist]

I'll wait to play it on the Switch 3 in 2025 when a Nintendo console can run this game at 1080p60.

....

In reality I can't wait. In an ideal world however, a game that looks like this in 2017 should be running at 1080p30 locked at least in docked mode.

720p30 is fine for handheld.

 

[Majmun]

Looks like this is gonna be the new Metroid Prime.

aka top 10 best game material

 

[FinaruDensetsu]

Critically, this is literally the best game ever made.

I wonder if this will be the first game that doesn't get the post-release hate from a lot of people on GAF. That would be amazing.

 

[DragoonKain]

Sorry if I missed it, but any reviews on his this runs on the Wii U?

 

[SinCityAssassin]

After 60 reviews, the grand prophecy still holds true.

I should've never doubted you.

 

[Qassim]

The idea that it must be the best graphically or so many frames to be good has just been obliterated. The Switch, a portable system, just released the greatest game of all time and beat every single AAA effort on PS4, PC, and Xbox. The greatest game of all time mantle is now held by a portable game.

total straw man

 

[Dark Cloud]

Looks like this is gonna be the new Metroid Prime.

Metroid Prime could be considered the greatest game of all time.

 

[Stormhammer]

WAY to often.

welp, will remove~

 

[King of Cups]

Looks like this is gonna be the new Metroid Prime.

Which is oddly enough the game prior to Mario Galaxy that just consumed me with it's greatness.

 

[wartama]

I'm done.

...
(Right clicks...)

 

[TylerD]

Sorry if I missed it, but any reviews on his this runs on the Wii U?

Like it does on Switch but worse.

 

[Arturo]

What a weekend… Horizon Zero Dawn on one hand and BotW on the other. Yay!

I can't tell if you're bullshitting but frames do affect gameplay and Zelda would be better at 60fps.

True. But why doesn't it affect review scores then?

Not trolling, honest question.

 

[cHinzo]

[
I'm done.

Holyshit, that's amazing.

 

[Frodo]

It's weird to see this when Nintendo fans seemed to be eager to shit on graphics during the 16-bit generation. Maybe that abuse of mode7 rotation finally had a mental effect.

Dude, that was over TWO DECADES AGO. Let it go.

 

[metalslimer]

Has the digital foundry analysis come out

 

[wildfire]

as you talk about Breath of the Wild with your friends, there’s one word that will rarely if ever come up: “can’t.”

Congrats to Nintendo. Late to the party but the first to create a "truly" open world game.

Man this industry is slow.

With the incredible variety of gameplay on offer, it’s understandable why Nintendo cleared the Switch launch schedule for Zelda. There’s a good chance you’ll be absorbed in everything it has to offer all the way up until the release of Mario Kart 8 Deluxe.

But what if I really don't want to buy Zelda?

 

[Crayolan]

I guess you're right but lately he's been especially confrontational with Nintendo. Like first thing he did on twitter today upon seeing the reviews is making fun of Nintendo fans not being able to handle a 8/10 that will probably come. Then had a podcast up with "Breath of the Wild 12/10!!!!!" as a title. He seems a bit obsessed lol.

Maybe I should have more faith in him, I'm sure his review will be good.

Jim loves to troll people.

He doesn't let his trolling get in the way of appreciating good games though.