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The Legend of Zelda: Breath of the Wild | Review Thread
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PastorOfMuppets
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As someone who hasn't played a Nintendo game since the SNES days. Is this game good or not? Why is this thread so confusing and controversial?
Good post. Reviews are both subjective and holistic. Some people ask "why is this game getting 10s if it has framerate issues" and the answer is simple: it didn't affect their enjoyment of the game. It doesn't mean a stable framerate doesn't matter.
TetraGenesis
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When people were guessing Metacritic scores before the reviews dropped, throwing around low to mid 90s estimates (which would have been my guess as well), Duckroll came in hot with that 98. It sounded insane at the time but boy did he call it.
hydragonwarrior
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I believe Skyward Sword was mixed, right? Kinda happy there's a high scoring consensus (and it's outside of Famitsu lol)
Flying Toaster
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Yeah I backtracked and caught it. That is brilliant.
Resistance100
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It's clearly a fantastic game as the reviews show
Bloodborne
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God damn it, i'll have to buy a switch now. I love zelda too much to pass it up. What's the chance of this being a 99 meta when it's all said and done? lol
it's like it was only yesterday
LordKasual
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No.
There are elements of Zelda that inspire good feeling just by merit of being from Zelda. A bow, slingshot, bomb, or shield in a different game (that functioned exactly the same) wouldn't have the same feeling as the same item from Zelda.
When most gamers play a Zelda game, they're playing more than just the game that's on the screen. New IPs don't have this perceptual advantage.
If the first zelda game was post-apocalyptic and full of demons, then Darksiders would be the nostalgic series and Zelda would be...well, the Darksiders.
Ooccoo
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I honestly don't believe this yet. We'll see
It's aces. Much of the controversy stems from people questioning whether the high reviews are truly reflective of its quality; the implication being that it's just reviewing well because it's a Zelda game. The universal acclaim it's been getting is, however, overwhelmingly indicative of it simply being a great game and that's it.
What's confusing? The game has received perfect or near-perfect scores from basically everyone that's reviewed it. Whether or not this reaction is hyperbolic, the fact that the game is good should at least be obvious.
StarStabbedMoon
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It's unlikely to change yes. There will only be about ~15 more reviews for the aggregate list.
The Last One
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GTA IV and Pro Skater 2?
Tony Hawk easily deserves that position, GTA IV could be lower but still massive game for its time.
DieNgamers
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I have a problem with this, too...because Majora's Mask dethroned OoT just a few years later.
TetraGenesis
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Yeah. That's what he was referencing. Hahaha
Smiles and Cries
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Horizon has 88 at 93 reviews, we should expect at least 30 more reviews
I think it should slip a bit 98 is just too high to hold
momshotdad
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GTA IV and Pro Skater 2?
Don't underestimate the importance of THPS2. That game was truly revolutionary and excellent in every way.
LordKasual
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106 pages and we still like:
Doesn't...feel the same, man.
The 10salt Link image is the new version of this. We just need someone to animate it.
OrbitalBeard
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It would probably need to land a half dozen really low scores to even have a chance of dropping a point. All the heavily-weighed outlets have already reviewed the game . I think the only somewhat major site left is The Jimquisition. Other, smaller sites will have little impact on the Metacritic average.
Dead on!
Let's be real though,
Gfx matter, framerate matter, animation matter, sound matter, controls matter...
They all matter, it's just that beyond "good enough" it's merely "who gives a shit".
If BotW used Ocarina of Time n64's models in 2017 it certainly wouldn't be as well received and people certainly would like it a lot less.
What we have now on BotW is above "good enough", how much beyond is arguable but it's still beyond "good enough".
the whole package is however what makes it go toward legendary status.
I say that but I haven't played it, if it's shit you will hear me shit on it for DECADES though.
don't believe me? Ask me about other M or Dawn of Mana (DoM is the superior game btw)
Gfx matter, framerate matter, animation matter, sound matter, controls matter...
They all matter, it's just that beyond "good enough" it's merely "who gives a shit".
If BotW used Ocarina of Time n64's models in 2017 it certainly wouldn't be as well received and people certainly would like it a lot less.
What we have now on BotW is above "good enough", how much beyond is arguable but it's still beyond "good enough".
the whole package is however what makes it go toward legendary status.
I say that but I haven't played it, if it's shit you will hear me shit on it for DECADES though.
don't believe me? Ask me about other M or Dawn of Mana (DoM is the superior game btw)
Well, the hypothetical question didn't require it to be a "nobody" developer. However, I see the appeal of removing all the baggage associated with a known developer. I think part of the problem with a new developer is that it is a lot easier to knock a new IP down a peg than it is to do the same with the new Zelda game.
The truth is, very few games, even games that are essentially flawless, review so consistently highly. Which isn't a bad thing, by the way. Horizon (as this appears to be THE game to compare Zelda to for some reason) was received brilliantly, as an example. But it still had dissenting voices. It is odd that the Zelda series (which is always consistently solid at the very least) seems to receive unique treatment in that regard.
othersteve
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I spent a good deal of time exploring and analyzing my thoughts on this subject in my review and the accompanying addendum article (DigitalChumps).
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Not to rub it in but... why did you? Or anyone else for that matter. Unless you had high shipping fees or you really can't afford it to begin with, you might as well keep a pre-order on something like this locked in, just in case, and just return it/not pick it up if you don't want it.
ThoseDeafMutes
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I'm assuming everyone taking a dump on THPS2 was born in 2003 or something.
I'm very pleasently surprised by the reception Zelda is getting though. I thought it would be low 80's. Picked it up this morning and hoping for the best - I've never been an open world man though, so it's likely I'll enjoy it much less than most critics.
I'm very pleasently surprised by the reception Zelda is getting though. I thought it would be low 80's. Picked it up this morning and hoping for the best - I've never been an open world man though, so it's likely I'll enjoy it much less than most critics.
GTA IV and Pro Skater 2?
Pro Skater 2 is amazing though.
OricWindstar
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For real. That game was amazing.
I really like THPS2, but I don't think it's THAT good. It had a lot of hype behind it, though. Same with GTAIV. Really didn't deserve that level of praise, nor do they hold up particularly well.
flintstryker
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Yeah while reviews aren't all that important to me I can only imagine those people haven't played it as that game was legit incredible
MetalGearZed
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Wow these scores are steller.
don't know what i expected
don't know what i expected
Never played THPS2, but 3 was the shit.
othersteve
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To the contrary, coming off SS and the way everyone sort of soured on it months down the road, I am willing to bet that I was not the only reviewer who approached BotW with a uniquely critical introductory attitude. Excitement, yes, but the franchise's legacy didn't necessarily benefit it in this regard.
GTA IV and Pro Skater 2?
THPS2 deserved all the great scores.
Sojiro
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Agreed with THPS2, it absolutely deserves the acclaim it achieved. It might hard to imagine now, with the franchise in the gutter, but THPS2 is a phenomenal game, especially if you played it at the time.
Very pumped to see Zelda do this well, I knew it would be good, but not this fucking good! Can not wait to get my hands on it tomorrow.
KratosEnergyDrink
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This is not even a question. If anything... if this was a new IP the scores would probably be better, critics love newcomers.
By the way, since I am being a giant negative Nancy, I wanted to go and state a few things...
If I reviewed games I wouldn't dock marks for a few examples of framerate drops. Those wouldn't effect my Bloodborne score, and they wouldn't effect my Zelda score (unless it gets directly in the way of my enjoyment of the game).
Lastly, this game looks great. Like, it looks intensely awesome. I am not suspicious of Breath of the Wild being a bad game. I suspect it is genuinely incredible.
If I reviewed games I wouldn't dock marks for a few examples of framerate drops. Those wouldn't effect my Bloodborne score, and they wouldn't effect my Zelda score (unless it gets directly in the way of my enjoyment of the game).
Lastly, this game looks great. Like, it looks intensely awesome. I am not suspicious of Breath of the Wild being a bad game. I suspect it is genuinely incredible.
ShockingAlberto
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It won't stay 98. Review scores tend to go down over time, rather than up, for reasons I won't speculate on.
Still damn impressive.
Still damn impressive.
Smiles and Cries
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get back to us when you had some solid hours in. It would be interesting to hear from someone who does not like open worlds.
Can I get a quick rundown on why it's the highest metascore ever so far?
I mean it's a skateboarding game after all, since I'm not into that at all, you'll excuse me if I'm not aware that it's supposed to be the 2nd coming of OoT.
WhiteRabbitEXE
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Wouldn't be surprised if some less "legitimate" (i.e. closer to hobby grade stuff) sources plop up some shit scores after release and drag it down a little. Of course, the same group is also gonna throw up a bunch of 10's as well, as it tends to be "PERFECT OMG" or "THIS IS STRAIGHT GARBAGE" with them.
While I'm sort of countering my own post here, doesn't that trend generally apply more to films than games? I think it does happen in games, but more so in the 80s-low 90s tier.
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