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[Darkmakaimura]

So having a female lead means being woke now?

Yeah, that's silly. I actually wouldn't mind seeing translink, Linkle, show up as a character in a future game. Currently they are non-canon because they were part of that fighting game but there was talk about making her canon at some point. She's kind of cute and I think it would work.

 

[ShadyAcshuns]

Yeah, that's silly. I actually wouldn't mind seeing translink, Linkle, show up as a character in a future game. Currently they are non-canon because they were part of that fighting game but there was talk about making her canon at some point. She's kind of cute and I think it would work.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

Link

I guess I should be clear that it's not like Link is getting HRT or anything like that. But just as a side character or additional character to a game. Or maybe some weird alternate universe. I know they mentioned that she was popular enough that they were considering putting her in a mainstream game at some point.

 

[dano1]

Nah it is always The Legend of Zelda because the Legend is retold by the Royal family across Generations and all traces back to the Goddess Hylia. Hyrule and Hylians are all descended from Hylia when she chose Mortality.

Prior to Skyward Sword the name was chosen because it sounds better and in 90% of all Zelda games, Princess Zelda, usually plays a pivotal role whther as a deutergonist, damsel in distress or is important to seal evil away as a direct descendant from the bloodline of Hylia(per Skyward Sword origins).

How about. The Legend of Ta & Tas ….

 

[ResurrectedContrarian]

Metacritic comparison for anyone interested:

11. Phantom Hourglass (90)
14. Spirit Tracks (87)

I would expect a score around here, since it feels like a Phantom Hourglass / Spirit Tracks kind of spinoff. Maybe even not as inventive as those, so a bit lower.

 

[Dafegamer]

Metacritic comparison for anyone interested:

1. Ocarina of Time (99)
2. Breath of the Wild (97)
3. Windwaker (96)
3. Tears of the Kingdom (96)
4. Twilight Princess (95)
4. Majora's Mask (95)
4. A Link to the Past + Four Swords -GBA- (95)
7. Skyward Sword (93)
7. A Link to the Past -SNES- (93)
9. Oracle of Seasons/Ages
10. A Link Between Worlds (91)
11. Link's Awakening (90)
11. Phantom Hourglass (90)
11. Windwaker Remaster (90)
13. The Minish Cap (89)
14. Spirit Tracks (87)
14. Link's Awakening Remake (87)
15. Four Swords Adventures (86)
15. Twilight Princess Remaster (86)
16. The Legend of Zelda (84)
17. Skyward Sword Remaster (81)
18. The Adventure of Link (78)
19. Triforce Heroes (73)

You missed Ocarina of Time 3DS (94)

 

[Jsisto]

So not even Nintendo is immune from the woke mind virus. Kidding.

This game is a delight. Had some frustration with the echo menus, and to be fair, I still hate it…but I've gotten used to it enough to really enjoy the game. Truly a great classic style Zelda game with a fresh gameplay twist. So far the dungeons have been really enjoyable and while there are far too many useless echoes, there are some really unique and fun ones. Honestly, it's not perfect but I really enjoy the echo system far more than crafting in TotK. In fact I think this is a better Zelda game than TotK. Shots fired.

Also Zelda's little chibi character model is too adorable. Yas queen!

 

[Darkmakaimura]

I'm happy to see it's got great scores. Extremely underrated game.

 

[od-chan]

I'm happy to see it's got great scores. Extremely underrated game.

>got great scores
>extremely underrated

 

[Danjin44]

>got great scores
>extremely underrated

Games can get great score and still get overlooked.

 

[nial]

Yeah, but I wouldn't exactly call this overlooked. Unicorn Overlord is overlooked, not Zelda.

 

[Darkmakaimura]

>got great scores
>extremely underrated

It seems like the average gamer really hasn't talked much about it.

 

[SiegeDamage]

Coincidentally, I finally beat this game last night. Took a long break partway through as I lost interest. As a Zelda fan since the NES, this was one of the weaker entries in the series IMO. It's rare that I don't revisit a Zelda game every now and again (do a yearly ALttP, OoT, and MM run, for example), but Echoes of Wisdom is a game I certainly don't see myself re-playing ever again.

 

[LavitzSlambert]

Coincidentally, I finally beat this game last night. Took a long break partway through as I lost interest. As a Zelda fan since the NES, this was one of the weaker entries in the series IMO. It's rare that I don't revisit a Zelda game every now and again (do a yearly ALttP, OoT, and MM run, for example), but Echoes of Wisdom is a game I certainly don't see myself re-playing ever again.

I'm 3 dungeons in and am still keeping an open mind, but have many of the same criticisms I'm seeing in this thread. The echoes are cumbersome and the solutions to most puzzles seem one note. I have faith it improves but not sure if the dungeons will reach any of the heights of Link's Awakening.

 

[semiconscious]

I'm 3 dungeons in and am still keeping an open mind, but have many of the same criticisms I'm seeing in this thread. The echoes are cumbersome and the solutions to most puzzles seem one note. I have faith it improves but not sure if the dungeons will reach any of the heights of Link's Awakening.

maybe if i was a child i'd find it more fun, but, as is, it's a pretty awful game. regret buying it...

 

[Sorcerer]

I am kind of surprised Nintendo let such a clumsy menu system for choosing echoes out the door. Somewhat mitigated by filtering last used/most used, but by the end of the game the string of echoes to choose from is out of control.
Made somewhat worse that most echoes are sets of 3 with a color swap.

 

[Hookshot]

Both this and Mario Wonder came and went for me. I completed them, but have no plans to ever go back to them, which is disappointing considering I'd happily replay things like a Link between worlds or Mario 3

 

[Darkmakaimura]

This has the best story and villain of any Zelda game. Yes, I'm serious.

 

[Robb]

I am kind of surprised Nintendo let such a clumsy menu system for choosing echoes out the door. Somewhat mitigated by filtering last used/most used, but by the end of the game the string of echoes to choose from is out of control.
Made somewhat worse that most echoes are sets of 3 with a color swap.

Agreed. That's definitely one of the biggest issues.

The menu system is extremely copy/paste from BotW/TotK. But it works decently in those games since you don't have to use the menus all the time. It really isn't a good solution when you have to enter the menus every 5 seconds.

Needs way more streamlining and sorting options.

 

[Salmonboy]

Still no update on the framerate issues? Stopped playing after about 2-3 hours, and waiting for the game to be playable.

 

[Robb]

Still no update on the framerate issues? Stopped playing after about 2-3 hours, and waiting for the game to be playable.

Won't happen. It's the same thing with the Link's Awakening remake that runs on the same engine - and that game never got an update either.

I guess our best hope is that Switch 2 runs the game better by sheer brute force.

 

[sloppyjoe_gamer]

Shame that the game has a 3000 phase final boss thats cheap as fuck in the last two phases where this black barely dodgeable shadow flies across the ground and if youre caught you cant move while the boss and the summons whallop the fuck out of you until either link helps or one of your summons does and if you fuck up and die you gotta start alll the way over again.

Like huh??? The entire game was awesome and a great time until this last piece of shit boss. Never seen anything like it in a Nintendo game. Its like Nintendo farmed out the last boss to From Software to troll you.

 

[Sorcerer]

I was quite taken aback by this myself. How do you make a game that presumably is there for a younger set of kids as sort of the first Zelda and get them into the franchise and put this monstrous boss at the end of the game? I am surprised I even beat him, but imagine a little kid enjoying the game at a moderate pace and encountering this at the end?

Also, I think Nintendo were slightly cowardly in not really letting Zelda be the ultimate hero, sure understandably Link is in the game, but the fact that when the going gets tough you have to be Link regardless shows they did not much have faith in Zelda carrying the title alone. Not a big deal just an observation.

 

[Sorcerer]

Shame that the game has a 3000 phase final boss thats cheap as fuck in the last two phases where this black barely dodgeable shadow flies across the ground and if youre caught you cant move while the boss and the summons whallop the fuck out of you until either link helps or one of your summons does and if you fuck up and die you gotta start alll the way over again.

Like huh??? The entire game was awesome and a great time until this last piece of shit boss. Never seen anything like it in a Nintendo game. Its like Nintendo farmed out the last boss to From Software to troll you.

I was quite taken aback by the last boss myself. How do you make a game that presumably is there for a younger set of kids as sort of the first Zelda and get them into the franchise and put this monstrous boss at the end of the game? I am surprised I even beat him, but imagine a little kid enjoying the game at a moderate pace and encountering this at the end?

Also, I think Nintendo slightly copped out in not really letting Zelda be the ultimate hero, sure understandably Link is in the game, but the fact that when the going gets tough you have to be Link regardless shows they did not much have faith in Zelda carrying the title alone. Not a big deal just an observation. But I get that maybe it sets expectations for newer players to assume the role of Link if they continue in the Zelda universe.