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Yes Boss!

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Well,

I hope they don't give up on J-360. they still have to release the new Dodonpachi and the Ibara collection.

We will get another release after the first Mushi in May, I'm betting. For fall.
 
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Muchi Muchi Pink

Member
FrontalMonk said:
awesome, thanks for all the prompt responses! I'll be picking up Guwange in the near future, and DFK PAL when I have money, then Mushihimesama Futari. I'm still like, a D-Class shmup player, so I don't know that I'm ready to handle something like Espgaluda 2 then. :D
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Buy Muchi Muchi Pork/Pink Sweets. MMP is the best!
 
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CAVE343

Member
Yes Boss! said:
Well,

I hope they don't give up on J-360. they still have to release the new Dodonpachi and the Ibara collection.

We will get another release after the first Mushi in May, I'm betting. For fall.
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Hope so too, but maybe that big project isn't a shmup. Bullet hell fps?
 
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Ra1den

Member
Gaspode_T said:
I came to post about that interview in May 2012 Famitsu 360 and I am not sure I agree with the translation above...he says in earlier answer that of course they will continue to work on shooting games, but the last part he is just talking about doing something pretty large scale that they haven't done before, and apologizes it is not going to be for 360..he said it is secret and just getting a solid plan now . in a diff part of the interview they hint that next series to get a sequel is likely to be Deathsmiles...
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Ah, good to know, thanks.
 
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Gaspode_T

Member
It could be online coop, 3D, who knows what the heck he is talking about because he only said it is a big plan.

They say they are going to focus on where they think the users are in the future...that smartphones etc have blurred lines because they are so powerful
 
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LeadenStride

Member
Saidaioujou looks and sounds so good. Hopefully it'll get ported some day and hopefully not for the PS3. Don't want to buy one just for this.
 
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Tain

Member
fuckin hype. Too early to think about a port, so I'll just be happy for those that can play it and try not to spoil too much for myself!
 
SOME-MIST

SOME-MIST

Member
if that was directed at me, no...it's for the SE many of which have used DLC codes. The game is out of print and hard to come by despite it being a 2011 title.

I shouldn't have used my DLC code since my copy would probably be worth more.
 
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Yes Boss!

Member
PS/MMP was 100-130 to begin with, not really gone up much in price. Tokyo Shmups always puts them for pretty cheap, new copies with DLC...certainly cheaper than eBay.

http://www.sk8tokyo.com/shmup/

Hoping for a platinum release soon. Seems like the least likely title to ever get localised around the world, compounded by region-free-ness, two-titles-in-one set-up, and Ibara/Yagawa.
 
SOME-MIST

SOME-MIST

Member
mine was 88 including shipping
mmpps.jpg

so I guess only a 12-32 dollar difference.
 
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StarCreator

Member
Considering normal video game console release depreciation is like 80% of its value in 3 months, it's pretty crazy that MMP+PS has actually appreciated in value. I wonder if they have a GoD and/or Platinum Hits release in the cards - it'll be interesting to see how much the values crash if that happens.
 
SOME-MIST

SOME-MIST

Member
the double pack will probably be both version - tho I'm not sure if it will include ketsupachi like ddpdfkbl. just make sure you have a japanese 360, because those are region-locked japanese releases.

StarCreator said:
Considering normal video game console release depreciation is like 80% of its value in 3 months, it's pretty crazy that MMP+PS has actually appreciated in value. I wonder if they have a GoD and/or Platinum Hits release in the cards - it'll be interesting to see how much the values crash if that happens.
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it'll probably go down to around $70 if a platinum hits released, but I'm thinking that might be a huge "if".
 
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Triple Da G.O.D!

Member
Yes Boss! said:
PS/MMP was 100-130 to begin with, not really gone up much in price. Tokyo Shmups always puts them for pretty cheap, new copies with DLC...certainly cheaper than eBay.

http://www.sk8tokyo.com/shmup/
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Thanks for sharing this information. I've been hovering over MMP/PS for a while now and the price they have it for seems very fair.

And I guess this is the best place to leave this question. I'm ready to get my J-360 but is there a place that people agree on that I won't have to pay out the ass to get one. I'm thinking of going all in and get a 250GB with Kinect so I don't have buy a Kinect later on. But I'm open to suggestions though.
 
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FrontalMonk

Banned
Chacranajxy said:
Mushihimesama Futari is awesome and region free. That's the one you should get now. Espgaluda II is also quite good (but hard as shit). That is your other region free option.

There's also the Pink Sweets/Muchi Muchi Pork two pack, which people seem to like. I haven't played it, myself, however.
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I picked up Espgaluda II from the Buy/Sell/Trade thread and got it in the mail yesterday - You weren't joking, this game really doesn't fuck around at all! I died on stage 2 :(

Also I started playing Guwange, and that is a really difficult game to get the hang of, too. I'm used to the typical touhou style of press to shoot weak attack with fast movement, hold for strong attack and slow movement style... these other styles with moving the shikigami in Guwange and the systems in Espgaluda II really have been throwing me off.
 
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sixteen-bit

Member
ReXXXSoprano said:
Thanks for sharing this information. I've been hovering over MMP/PS for a while now and the price they have it for seems very fair.

And I guess this is the best place to leave this question. I'm ready to get my J-360 but is there a place that people agree on that I won't have to pay out the ass to get one. I'm thinking of going all in and get a 250GB with Kinect so I don't have buy a Kinect later on. But I'm open to suggestions though.
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The problem with J-Kinect is that it has a problem recognizing native English. Just a precaution.
 
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ColonelSkills

Member
_dementia said:
The problem with J-Kinect is that it has a problem recognizing native English. Just a precaution.
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I don't own one, so I can't comment, but I thought the kinect voice reading software was on the console and not the peripheral. Assuming the Kinect could be hooked up to a NA console, wouldn't it be fine?
 
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To Far Away Times

Member
I've been playing some DOJ Black Label lately.

I'm able to clear all the stages by save stating at the beginning of each stage and the beginning of each boss. So I'm maybe 10% of the way there now. Of course, everything is much harder in a real run, but this one should be doable. Is it just me or is the stage 5 boss really not that threatening? Atleast, compared to the some of the bullshit on stage 4 and 5. The beehive section in stage 5 in particular is a pain in the ass. It's reminiscent of the laser wheels in DDP DFK or the woodlice in Futari.
 
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iconoclast

Member
The first phase and the final phase of the 1-5 boss I can dodge very consistently, but the pattern with the crossing red lines screws me up a lot. I usually have to bomb or hyper to get through it without dying (but I usually die anyway). Oddly enough, I think that pattern is much easier to control in the second loop.
 
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mjemirzian

Banned
Does anyone have a problem with using states to practice tough portions of a run?

As long as you don't try to claim it's a legit/high score run, of course.
 
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iconoclast

Member
mjemirzian said:
Does anyone have a problem with using states to practice tough portions of a run?

As long as you don't try to claim it's a legit/high score run, of course.
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This is what I do if the game is available on MAME. It's not much different from a training mode in console ports really, it just allows you to practice specific sections of a stage without having to play through everything before it. It's really the fastest and most efficient way to learn a game.

InfiniteNine said:
Well going to re-j360 soon to replace my stolen one. Any notable releases I've missed out on lately or suggestions?
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Under Defeat HD and Mushihime next month. That's about it for recent releases as far as I know.
 
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To Far Away Times

Member
mjemirzian said:
Does anyone have a problem with using states to practice tough portions of a run?

As long as you don't try to claim it's a legit/high score run, of course.
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You only have so much time in a day to practice, might as well do the most efficient practice possible. I don't approach it any differently than I would trying to learn how to play a song on guitar. As long as it's noted that its just practice and not a real run I see no problem with it.
 
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InfiniteNine

Rolling Girl
iconoclast said:
Under Defeat HD and Mushihime next month. That's about it for recent releases as far as I know.
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Almost a year and thats it? Oh well it gives me time to catch up and get things I missed.

Anyone happen to have the artwork for the Espgaluda II faceplate? I'd like for my new 360 to resemble my old one if possible.
 
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Esura

Banned
I just bought Deathsmiles Limited Edition for this 360 I'm borrowing from my mom and I had quite a bit of fun with the game. Originally bought it for the girls on the cover but I found the actual game quite fun. I never was proficient at playing old school arcade shooters like this but until the last three levels (4-1, 4-2, and the final level) I found myself dodging bullets and stuff with relatively ease (on default settings). It took me a few hours to realize that my health doesn't go down if I just get hit anywhere, only at the center. That's like the most unique element ever and it makes dodging bullets fun. Why don't every shooter put heart things in the game like that? Every time I get through a level without dying I just want to punch my TV in joy. I get like this sense of euphoria that I haven't gotten from a video game since Devil May Cry 3 and Tales of Graces f.

Are there any other Cave shooters on the 360 I could purchase? And are there any guides or universal tips on playing these types of shooters?
 
SOME-MIST

SOME-MIST

Member
Esura said:
I just bought Deathsmiles Limited Edition for this 360 I'm borrowing from my mom and I had quite a bit of fun with the game. Originally bought it for the girls on the cover but I found the actual game quite fun. I never was proficient at playing old school arcade shooters like this but until the last three levels (4-1, 4-2, and the final level) I found myself dodging bullets and stuff with relatively ease (on default settings). It took me a few hours to realize that my health doesn't go down if I just get hit anywhere, only at the center. That's like the most unique element ever and it makes dodging bullets fun. Why don't every shooter put heart things in the game like that? Every time I get through a level without dying I just want to punch my TV in joy. I get like this sense of euphoria that I haven't gotten from a video game since Devil May Cry 3 and Tales of Graces f.

Are there any other Cave shooters on the 360 I could purchase? And are there any guides or universal tips on playing these types of shooters?
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you can read a few pages back for recommendations...but there's deathsmiles IIX on GoD, mushihime-sama futari ver. 1.5 platinum hits, espgaluda II platinum hits, akai katana shin (releasing soon in the states), dodonpachi resurrection (import from europe - plays on US360s), guwange on XBLA, muchi muchi pork / pink sweets (good luck for finding it under 90-100), and that's it unless you have a J360. All of those games are much more difficult than deathsmiles tho..

cave-stg.com and shmups.system11.org have good guides.
 
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Esura

Banned
SOME-MIST said:
you can read a few pages back for recommendations...but there's deathsmiles IIX on GoD, mushihime-sama futari ver. 1.5 platinum hits, espgaluda II platinum hits, akai katana shin (releasing soon in the states), dodonpachi resurrection (import from europe - plays on US360s), guwange on XBLA, muchi muchi pork / pink sweets (good luck for finding it under 90-100), and that's it unless you have a J360. All of those games are much more difficult than deathsmiles tho..

cave-stg.com and shmups.system11.org have good guides.
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Aww, I would of liked to of played Deathsmiles IIX but I only have the 2GB 360. I've seen Mushihime-sama Futari thing and Espgaluda II on Amazon for around 40. That's a good deal?
 
SOME-MIST

SOME-MIST

Member
Esura said:
Aww, I would of liked to of played Deathsmiles IIX but I only have the 2GB 360. I've seen Mushihime-sama Futari thing and Espgaluda II on Amazon for around 40. That's a good deal?
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yeah. the original retail releases were $70 and the re-releases retailed for $35 I think and include all the stock game modes.
 
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To Far Away Times

Member
Esura said:
I just bought Deathsmiles Limited Edition for this 360 I'm borrowing from my mom and I had quite a bit of fun with the game. Originally bought it for the girls on the cover but I found the actual game quite fun. I never was proficient at playing old school arcade shooters like this but until the last three levels (4-1, 4-2, and the final level) I found myself dodging bullets and stuff with relatively ease (on default settings). It took me a few hours to realize that my health doesn't go down if I just get hit anywhere, only at the center. That's like the most unique element ever and it makes dodging bullets fun. Why don't every shooter put heart things in the game like that? Every time I get through a level without dying I just want to punch my TV in joy. I get like this sense of euphoria that I haven't gotten from a video game since Devil May Cry 3 and Tales of Graces f.

Are there any other Cave shooters on the 360 I could purchase? And are there any guides or universal tips on playing these types of shooters?
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A few tips for Deathsmiles. The instruction booklet has some nice tips in there including a route that can net you four (!) extra lives. Also, if you can, make sure not to bomb jitterbug, even if you are going to get hit. Going into the fight with 1,000 on the counter and locking on to Jitterbug is a good strategy. If you beat him without using a bomb you will get a 2-up cake. Assuming you have 3 bombs in stock on your last life and you get a 2-up cake, you can just bomb away the final boss anytime a bullet gets somewhat close.

Also, the Lava stage and the Graveyard are great places to go into at level 3. Activating the scoring mode in the beginning of the lava stage where you can choose to go left or right of the floating rock can net 20M points or more! (Enough for one life all by itself.) In the graveyard, you can get a ton of points if you activate the scoring mode when the environment forces you to go to the top of the screen. Just doing these two things can get you enough points for both score based extends.
 
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Esura

Banned
To Far Away Times said:
A few tips for Deathsmiles. The instruction booklet has some nice tips in there including a route that can net you four (!) extra lives. Also, if you can, make sure not to bomb jitterbug, even if you are going to get hit. Going into the fight with 1,000 on the counter and locking on to Jitterbug is a good strategy. If you beat him without using a bomb you will get a 2-up cake. Assuming you have 3 bombs in stock on your last life and you get a 2-up cake, you can just bomb away the final boss anytime a bullet gets somewhat close.

Also, the Lava stage and the Graveyard are great places to go into at level 3. Activating the scoring mode in the beginning of the lava stage where you can choose to go left or right of the floating rock can net 20M points or more! (Enough for one life all by itself.) In the graveyard, you can get a ton of points if you activate the scoring mode when the environment forces you to go to the top of the screen. Just doing these two things can get you enough points for both score based extends.
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Ah, thanks for the tips.
 
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braves01

Banned
I just picked up Bug Princess 2 and somehow managed to 1cc it and get the original master achievement on my first try. But....for some reason my score isn't showing up on the leader boards (where it would be 80th all-time, or about 104k). It's not that great a score, but it was a good run for me and it's so frustrating not to see it there.
 
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hongcha

Member
braves01 said:
I just picked up Bug Princess 2 and somehow managed to 1cc it and get the original master achievement on my first try. But....for some reason my score isn't showing up on the leader boards (where it would be 80th all-time, or about 104k). It's not that great a score, but it was a good run for me and it's so frustrating not to see it there.
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It's a bug in the game. Your score only gets uploaded if you don't clear the game. Weird, but Cave is aware of the problem so a patch should be coming soon!
 
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japtor

Member
cartman414 said:
Held back on a couple of the ones that don't have an HD release, yet at least. Don't want my initial investment to become a waste.
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Your initial "investment" of $3-7? (I get what you mean, but it's not like you're breaking the bank here). I could see Bug Princess 1 and 2 getting HD versions down the line (since they already have high res assets with the 360 versions), but was DDP DOJ on 360 a high res release?
 
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