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The Mega-Cave Shooter Post, because they're totally awesome and sweet
- Thread starter Victrix
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LeadenStride
Member
Don't remember the exact amount of days, but it was less than a week.
That's good to hear, I would have expected a few weeks at least.
Looking forward to playing these so much. I only recently became interested in shooters after finding out about Cave on iOS in the last year. Expecting a rude awakening, since I will no longer have the infinite speed ability of the iOS Cave shmups, among other things.
I'm still working on surviving the second half of Bug Princess 2 Original stage 3 into 4 on Hell, but I posted 152mil on Hard by suiciding on the final boss phase (doesn't record score unless you die, hope that's fixed soon).
Just wanted to let everyone know that I am a converted shump freak!! I found a new genre that I seem to really love, I get a rush playing bug princess and Deathsmiles on my iOS device, really want to jump in to some console shooters.
Out of curiosity, how does one acquire (Canada) a cave arcade machine? And what do they go for? I would love to invest in a machine or the house. (you can own one machine and switch the games out right?)
Out of curiosity, how does one acquire (Canada) a cave arcade machine? And what do they go for? I would love to invest in a machine or the house. (you can own one machine and switch the games out right?)
sixteen-bit
Member
Zavvi is alright but expect them to take forever to arrive.
I'm curious about the arcade stuff too. Pretty sure I can't afford it though. Most of the stuff I've found is on the buy/sell/trade sections of various shmup forums. The PCBs alone go for upwards of $1k depending on the game. Still something I'd love to do in the future, as it's the way the games are meant to be played, obviously.
Yeah sure, if your phone can't run* the HD versions and/or you're ok with the lower resolution graphics they're fine. In the case of Espgaluda II there's also the separate arcade and smartphone versions if you only want one mode or the other if you want some more price options.
*The iPhone 4 can run them, but it's at like 30fps vs 60 with the non HD ones. I have the HD ones for my iPad 2 but didn't like the framerate hit on my iPhone 4, I've seen others say they're fine with it though.
There's not really a "cave arcade machine", it's the latter part you mentioned, there's generic cabs and you swap the games (and various printed graphic bits) in/out of them. I think the Cave boards still use JAMMA (a wiring standard) for the most part, and most cabs going quite a while back have that. If you want to run other systems, some newer setups use JVS now (Naomi, Type X) and there's hardware to convert between them, can't say I messed with it myself cause it seemed complex and/or expensive.
As for getting them in Canada, I have no clue. I guess just look around on Craigslist or eBay to start, or ask around on some forums. I'm in California and got my Sega Astro City off someone locally on the Shmups forum a few years back, and later a generic Midway cab locally off eBay (I think it had NBA Showtime or Mortal Kombat stuff on it...I bought it for the Espgaluda board inside).
I've heard of some people that import the Japanese candy cabs but haven't followed that in a few years. I figure it's safer to get them locally since you can check them out in person first, and ideally handle the shipping yourself (thank god I had a truck back then). I remember reading some horror stories about cabs arriving with a bunch of cracks or messed up monitor mounts, but I've also heard about perfectly fine ones, ymmv.
Price wise I have no damn clue these days. I got the Astro for $300 or 350 I think, and while at the guy's place bought his Dangun board for $150. The other cab+Espgaluda was also $300-350ish, sold the cab to my friend for $100-200, although never actually collected the money (I just needed to get rid of that huge thing). The other games I got (mix of Cave and Psikyo stuff) were all in the $150-350 range at the time, I guess that was during a lull in popularity or something. I think after I got Ketsui (2004-2005ish?) prices started rocketing up, I particularly remember some collectors just offering ridiculous prices to buy boards.
I haven't bought anything in years so I'm not sure how prices are now, I remember being on some mailing list for a few places I bought from but don't know if they're around anymore. It was pretty nice getting a new price list every month or so, showing everything from older boards to new releases.
I remember ordering DDPDFK from them last year and taking around two weeks at most, not super fast but not too bad (...and a for few days it may have been stuck at the post office cause identity theft and mail fraud, that really sucked).
The kits typically go for that price, the loose boards won't hit those figures. Maybe half that or less. The get yourself a nice cab (a candy is perfect) or a quality supergun and an RGB monitor and you'll be set.
The ports are good, but they can be off in weird spots. It's gotten better, but nothing beats the original.
Agreed, but buying a game in the $500-1000 range is way too steep for me. I can play the Xbox ports for much less and I think the average shmup fan won't notice the differences that much between port and arcade pcb, to justify the big price gap
Phat Michael
Banned
Hi i have a MAS Supernova Supergun and 4 x Cave PCBs. The difference betwene the XBox versions and PCB is astonishing.
You will never notice it until you play a proper PCB setup on TATE'd CRT, but the response rate is instant and htere is subtle lag on a xbox > LCD TV Setup.
The kits arent cheap, but you get the stickers, the marquee and everything - totally worth it.
I have Espgaluda II on both X360 and PCB, and trust me, i dont even touch the xbox one anymore.
Ive stopped buying the PCBs as they are expensive and i have nigh on 10 cave games now and dont really need to keep buying more expensive PCBs if i dont really need them.
FloppyDelux
Member
Akai Katana is up for preorder for 39.99... suppose to come out may 16...
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007UMD1EI/?tag=neogaf0e-20
http://www.amazon.com/dp/B007UMD1EI/?tag=neogaf0e-20
yup, that's where i ordered from and they lowered the price.
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
The JPN PS1 store is loaded with good titles.
Dodonpachi
Zanac X Zanac
Einhander
Harmful Park
R-Type Delta
Sonic Wings Special
Thunderforce V (If the Saturn isn't an option of course)
Strikers 1945 II
I wouldn't bother with much else. Under Defeat is a possibility if you have the cash and are willing to take a big risk I guess.
sixteen-bit
Member
Specifically, I would recommend DoDonPachi and R-Type Delta. Delta is even available on the North American store.
You can try Play-Asia. Exchange rate is killer.
http://www.play-asia.com/paOS-13-71-zu-49-en-70-26sh.html
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Dodonpachi is a pretty decent port on the PS1, too. Better than the Saturn version. It isn't arcade perfect, but it's something.
sixteen-bit
Member
Japan-codes.com
Dog Problems
Banned
Has it been said if there will be a downloadable version of this as well?
StarCreator
Member
Dog Problems
Banned
Ah, thanks. I'm getting it any way but would have preferred a Games on Demand version, oh well.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
R-Type? I don't have access to the PSN now... But weren't Irem titles delisted after their demise...?
PepsimanVsJoe
Member
Nope. They're still available.
InfiniteNine
Rolling Girl
They were never removed and are still up.
sixteen-bit
Member
In that case, my recommendation stands.
adversesolutions
Member
http://ameblo.jp/cave-cs-stg-dev/
New SDOJ trailer going up today looks like. Hyped to see it.
Kimura oversight on an Ikeda and Yagawa game. Shit is guaranteed gold. Let's just hope they don't have to do a 1.5 version.
New SDOJ trailer going up today looks like. Hyped to see it.
Kimura oversight on an Ikeda and Yagawa game. Shit is guaranteed gold. Let's just hope they don't have to do a 1.5 version.
http://ameblo.jp/cave-cs-stg-dev/
New SDOJ trailer going up today looks like. Hyped to see it.
Kimura oversight on an Ikeda and Yagawa game. Shit is guaranteed gold. Let's just hope they don't have to do a 1.5 version.
Love the PCB porn. I wonder how many SH3 systems Cave still has available, perhaps this could be their last PCB release.
adversesolutions
Member
Riposte
Member
Finally. This will be my first STG in over half a decade, I think.
Where did you see that both Ikeda and Yagawa worked on this? And who is Kimura?
adversesolutions
Member
I guess it's Ikeda and Koizumi on programming. Still, the vicious rank involved in the game tells you Yagawa was involved at some point.
http://shmups.system11.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=40442
Kimura was the director of Akai Katana Shin and DDP Maximum.
da_stabbah
Member
thanks for the link!
It always makes me laugh that DoDonPachi II is not official canon. What was the story with that anyway? Contractual obligation from PGM licensing?
StarCreator
Member
The story I've heard is that they obtained a license to the series from Cave for the purpose of creating essentially a PGM tech demo which impressed Cave enough that they began creating games on the platform themselves.
That must have been an awfully expensive proof-of-concept. I liked the little I played of it, it's too bad it'll never materialize in a more accessible form.
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Some dubsteppy elements in that music lol. Looks good!
Glass Rebel
Member
I'm sorry for entering this thread without anything meaningful to add but I played and enjoyed some Cave games on iOS but I'd love to play them with buttons.
Has Cave ever mentioned any plans to bring their games on Steam?
Has Cave ever mentioned any plans to bring their games on Steam?
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Naw.. Don't hold your breath for it.. At least this gen, you probably need an Xbox 360 to play their games.
Glass Rebel
Member
oh
what a bummer. I just can't justify buying a 360 with my huge Steam backlog so I guess I'll stick to iOS and watch from the sidelines.BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Some of the older Cave stuff is playable in MAME, FYI.oh
Glass Rebel
Member
Oh... I will look into this. Thank you!
BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Np. The shmups forum might provide more details on that, and other shooter things.