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The Mega-Cave Shooter Post, because they're totally awesome and sweet
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BocoDragon
or, How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Realize This Assgrab is Delicious
Does Black Label have a different soundtrack, art or anything?
I kind of find it hard to get excited about alternative modes of games that have all the same art assets...
StarCreator
Member
Same soundtrack, art had a darker palette but is otherwise identical. But bullet patterns, properties, and scoring mechanics are considerably different.
This is a pretty good deal when you consider that this was a $15 upgrade on 360 that didn't include an extra mode (boss rush) and still required the base game, but yeah, I don't expect more than a couple hundred of people to see it that way. I doubt the vast majority of those who bought the original will buy this as well, unless there's a massive price drop in the future.
Did someone say new Cave game on iOS?
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I really don't like the argument that $15 is somehow too expensive for a phone/tablet app. Yeah, sure that's way more than the vast majority of apps on iTunes, but the vast majority of apps on iTunes are junk. Cave games are polished to perfection, and offer hours of entertainment. $15 is a paltry sum compared the the $80 or so for a console port.
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I really don't like the argument that $15 is somehow too expensive for a phone/tablet app. Yeah, sure that's way more than the vast majority of apps on iTunes, but the vast majority of apps on iTunes are junk. Cave games are polished to perfection, and offer hours of entertainment. $15 is a paltry sum compared the the $80 or so for a console port.
StarCreator
Member
I think the biggest problem in this case is that they are asking for twice of the price they themselves set for the base game. Bug Princess 2 is still $7.
Danny Dudekisser
I paid good money for this Dynex!
Blech. I'd rather pay $80 for a console port.
Barkley's Justice
Member
Yea, it's a little out of place. And Cave generally has a sale the first few days a new game is out.
So there's no separate leaderboards for the cheats, guess that kind of breaks the leaderboards. There's already someone with an impossible score in Original mode. Beat my ~890 mil by about 100x.
Also noticed you can get pretty much identical scores whether you're playing Hell/normal/hard/novice. There's no incentive to play the Hell setting. That doesn't make much sense to me.
Also noticed you can get pretty much identical scores whether you're playing Hell/normal/hard/novice. There's no incentive to play the Hell setting. That doesn't make much sense to me.
shaowebb
Member
Ouch. This is Espgaluda 2's black label mode only though isn't it? I managed to find it on Amazon for$39 total after shipping recently. Im waiting for it and Dodonpachi Resurrection to arrive now. Took my All Kamen Rider moneys for it, but I new I wouldn't see that price with such low shipping again anytime soon.
:3
Look at what you guys have done to me lol. I went in 3 months from mobile light force, Castle Shikigami 2/3 to also owning Deathsmiles, Akai Katana, Dodonpachi Resurrection, Espgaluda 2, playing Eden's Aegis, Gundemonium Collection, and Raiden Fighter aces.
Heck I'm still looking for the Exceed collection to get its Steam approval as its a few months overdue for its release. All dem shooty shoot games.
So far though I'm enjoying Deathsmiles, Hitogata Happa, and Eden's Aegis the most. I just can't get Akai Katana's strategies yet to convert for points, but I reaaaaally want to. I know as soon as I get the mode flipping stuff and how to abuse it for the biggest possible scores It'll skyrocket for me. Can't wait for Dodonpachi Resurrection and Espgaluda 2 to arrive. Betting Espgaluda 2 will move to my number 1.
Seriously though can someone explain Akai Katana more. I keep getting swords by going attack mode with phantom then flipping back, but all I see are green orbs most days and I don't get how to make anything bigger.
StarCreator
Member
The current iOS discussion is purely for Bug Princess 2 (Mushihimesama Futari).
Are you playing Slash (Shin) or Origin/Climax (Arcade/Zetsu)?
shaowebb
Member
Slash.
Two new high scores this weekend, 556mil - ALL - Reco in Futari BL Original and 906mil in the iOS version. Here's a question: on some runs I succumb to the increasing rank in stage 3 or 4 (I tend to prioritize score over survival) and end up dying on Larsa or sometimes during stage 5. Is a high score kind of less relevant if it's not a 1CC?
Bug Princess 2 Black Label is weird. It's pretty easy to get a top score on Novice difficulty because of the way the scoring works, it doesn't necessitate a ton of bullets to score. Also I'm pretty sure the rank doesn't increase at all. There's no noticeable change when the counter passes 100k, where bullets start moving at light speed in the 360 version. So it's kind of broken in that way, and all the difficulties are lumped into one leaderboard, they need to be separate unless the change the scoring IMO.
Bug Princess 2 Black Label is weird. It's pretty easy to get a top score on Novice difficulty because of the way the scoring works, it doesn't necessitate a ton of bullets to score. Also I'm pretty sure the rank doesn't increase at all. There's no noticeable change when the counter passes 100k, where bullets start moving at light speed in the 360 version. So it's kind of broken in that way, and all the difficulties are lumped into one leaderboard, they need to be separate unless the change the scoring IMO.
There's no explicit rule about that, generally a high score is a high score, regardless you cleared the game or not. Arcadia magazine considers valid only 1CC scores, but I don't think anyone of us will be submitting their scores to them anyway, and I think it's a pretty dumb rule. Maybe it's there to avoid some cheap glitch exploitation.
Interesting. I've noticed some people submit non-1CC scores on the shmup forums, and I don't really see any reason to discount a score because of it. I guess it depends on what the game is sometimes.
edit: gotta give you props on your avatar, it's probably the reason I've gotten into Guwange recently.
StarCreator
Member
Great
Guwange is awesome. Shame I'll probably never get a physical release for my Cave collection.It must be an OpenFeint thing, I've never activated it. I'll check that out.
Ooooooh! Had no idea Dodonpachi Resurrection was coming to Games on Demand as well!
As soon as I receive my point card in my inbox, I'll be getting this
.
Can't be any more convenient that booting up the game without needing the disc.
Wish Risingstargames would just license all the Japanese GoD Cave games as well for the west.
As soon as I receive my point card in my inbox, I'll be getting this
for the 5th time lol
Can't be any more convenient that booting up the game without needing the disc.
Wish Risingstargames would just license all the Japanese GoD Cave games as well for the west.
This is good news, I might double dip on this. Hopefully they can bring Daifukkatsu Black Label Arrange too.
It's on the European store. Not sure about the US one, but seeing as the game got a retail release over there by RSG as well, I would be surprised if it didn't hit there as well.
Got my code quickly thanks to cheapxboxlivecodes. Downloading now.
The game is €19.99 which translates to 1680 points btw. bargain!
Speaking of Raiden Fighter Aces. My new Japanese copy was just reserved at VGI along with 5 more shooters.
Just in time for my summer vacation in a couple more weeks. Gonna be great!
Got my code quickly thanks to cheapxboxlivecodes. Downloading now.
The game is €19.99 which translates to 1680 points btw. bargain!
Speaking of Raiden Fighter Aces. My new Japanese copy was just reserved at VGI along with 5 more shooters.
Just in time for my summer vacation in a couple more weeks. Gonna be great!
Barkley's Justice
Member
i dont see this on the u.s. store...imuh be piiiiissed if it doesn't come out here...
RoryDropkick
Member
Major Nelson just listed it for July 4th in the us it seems.
Doesn't list US as the region
I know this is the Cave thread, but RFA is the single best 360 shootet release. Enjoy!
Really!? :-O
Perhaps because it contains several games on one disc?
Still a bit hard to believe as I'm loving all this Cave goodness on the 360. But who knows.
Only played the Japanese demo, but that doesn't really give a good impression of how the full release is I think.
Loved Raiden 2 and Raiden DX on the PSone and pretty much never played the Fighter sequels due to them not being converted and never seeing them in an arcade over here. As far as you can still find an arcade over here...
There was a Raiden Fighters 2 machine on my college campus and I ditched classes constantly to play it. They're great, great games.Loved Raiden 2 and Raiden DX on the PSone and pretty much never played the Fighter sequels due to them not being converted and never seeing them in an arcade over here. As far as you can still find an arcade over here...
Well I'll be getting it for around $110.
That actually sounds like a nice achievement goal.
once that pops you know you certainly got your moneys worth out of the game to say the least.
Kandrick
GAF's Ed McMahon
Surprised to see DoDonpachi Ressurection so cheap here in Switzerland, since we usually get shafted every time.
It cost 1200 fucking allards, ridiculous! Double dipping so i don't have to put the disc in.
Especially when last week, they put up Ninja Gaiden 2 for 6000.
It cost 1200 fucking allards, ridiculous! Double dipping so i don't have to put the disc in.
Especially when last week, they put up Ninja Gaiden 2 for 6000.
Barkley's Justice
Member
Can we buy games on international xbl marketplaces?
As long as they are not IP locked and region locked, sure.
Don't know if Dodonpachi is IP locked to Europe or not though.
GoD games are always IP locked. And so are a few XBLA games. In general, it's no problem to buy XBLA games from a foreign account.
To Far Away Times
Member
Region locks are a terrible, terrible thing.
That's not quite the case though.
I've bought Bullet Soul a while ago on the Japanese marketplace with my European Xbox using my Japanese profile.
Might be possible to get Eschatos as well, but I haven't tried that myself.
Indeed they are.
What? I didn't know about that. Is there a way to see if a game works before you pay for it?
Edit: Or is it just that region free retail games are region free on GoD, too?
To Far Away Times
Member
There is Deathsmiles 2X on the US GoD marketplace. Though that one might be an exception.
It looks like it's a total crap shoot. I have a Japanese Xbox, live in America, and was unable to download one region-locked Japanese game due to an IP lock, but another one I tried worked fine.
It is thankfully, they don't take your money and THEN tell you that you can't download it. MS isn't that greedy.
Oh yeah, didn't mean it like that.
What I was trying to say was that I didn't know if you got the error message before you were 100% locked into purchasing the game or not.
So if it is a locked game, the service will always tell you.
But if you have enough points in your account, I'm not sure at what point such a message would pop up if it's an IP locked one.
I did see it before though when I had lots of points on there, but right now I can't check.
The message pops as soon as you click "confirm" to buy the game. XBL crunches some numbers and throws up a block. You're free to go about your business then, no harm done. Which is a little annoying. I'd rather get the error as soon as I click the "purchase" button.
Ah yes, I'm getting that now with Raiden and Otomedius.
Yet I'm not getting it on ESP Galuda and Mushihimesama Futari.
But that probably just means that those last two are IP blocked instead of region locked since we know they are region free. That error will probably only show up on the next screen when you click "confirm download".
Yet I'm not getting it on ESP Galuda and Mushihimesama Futari.
But that probably just means that those last two are IP blocked instead of region locked since we know they are region free. That error will probably only show up on the next screen when you click "confirm download".
Yup, fucking sucks.
Also, IP locking is a separate thing from region locking. BOTH the games I tried buying were region locked as discs, but only ONE was IP locked. What the fuck?
Yeah it doesn't make any sense does it?
It's basically saying: You have the correct system to be able to play these games, you also have the correct profile to be using this software and you have enough money in your account, but because at this time you are in a different section of the world, you are not permitted to buy this game from us.
While if you take this exact setup with you to Japan, connect to Live, you would be able to grab the same content without a hitch...
It's basically saying: You have the correct system to be able to play these games, you also have the correct profile to be using this software and you have enough money in your account, but because at this time you are in a different section of the world, you are not permitted to buy this game from us.
While if you take this exact setup with you to Japan, connect to Live, you would be able to grab the same content without a hitch...
Barkley's Justice
Member
Woah woah woah...So...Has anyone tried to actually go through with the purchase of those 2 games on a US console? Does it work?
Sorry to say that after I put some more points onto my Japanese account I can confirm that those Cave games are IP locked.
And so is Eschatos I'm afraid.
So while they are region free games themselves, you can't buy and download them outside of Japan it seems.
Wonder if it would be possible to use a proxy server somehow to slip around this rather stupid lock.
And so is Eschatos I'm afraid.
So while they are region free games themselves, you can't buy and download them outside of Japan it seems.
Wonder if it would be possible to use a proxy server somehow to slip around this rather stupid lock.
Barkley's Justice
Member
Thanks for checking, Meppi.