Tiamat2san
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Super Nintendo Switch.
1080p in portable mode, 1440p docked and i would be happy.
1080p in portable mode, 1440p docked and i would be happy.
At this point unfortunately games just take too long to make for it to be viable for Nintendo to properly support two seperate ecosystems.duh, absolutely not my point, it's not like the Wii U and the 3DS share the same library
Sure, and then have it fail like the Wii U did? Nintendo doesn’t have the $ to have another major flop. They should delay moving on for as long as they can keep sales up: Switch 4K, price drop, etc. and see if they can punt until late 2025/26The next nintendo console is as simple as just add more horsepower. The switch is selling like cupcakes.
As long as their next console is titled "Switch 2" or any other name which emphasises it is the successor of the switch, it is guaranteed to succeed.
The major difference is the Wii looked repulsive to gamers in 2012 whereas the Switch doesn't have that same tarnished reputation in 2023 as it isn't the same kiddie shovelware console.Sure, and then have it fail like the Wii U did? Nintendo doesn’t have the $ to have another major flop. They should delay moving on for as long as they can keep sales up: Switch 4K, price drop, etc. and see if they can punt until late 2025/26
You’re in a bubble. The Wii was a huge success.The major difference is the Wii looked repulsive to gamers in 2012 whereas the Switch doesn't have that same tarnished reputation in 2023 as it isn't the same kiddie shovelware console.
True, I expect Nintendo to literally be the last company on earth to leave physical media behind.Charging publishers for carts is a key pillar of Nintendo’s business since the NES days. The ghost of Yamauchi would haunt Furukawa for eternity if they changed it.
Yes because it drew in a lot of casuals, who moved on to smartphones and tablets after the 7th gen stretch. Then there are some hardcore games who brought it to see what it would feel like and got put off.You’re in a bubble. The Wii was a huge success.
The market has grown, by a lot. I’m almost a casual nowadays.Yes because it drew in a lot of casuals, who moved on to smartphones and tablets after the 7th gen stretch. Then there are some hardcore games who brought it to see what it would feel like and got put off.
This is a popular narrative but ... just tell me what experiences on smartphone replaced Wii Sports or Wii Play. Words with Friends or Angry Birds are vastly different experiences.Yes because it drew in a lot of casuals, who moved on to smartphones and tablets after the 7th gen stretch. Then there are some hardcore games who brought it to see what it would feel like and got put off.
It doesn't matter if the experience isn't exactly the same, smartphones stole the casual market which is why the Wii U's name is a big reason why it flopped. "Why pay $300 for a new wii when i can just play angry birds on my smartphones with friends?" Then there's also the fact that everyone, including casuals thought the Wii was the lamest kiddish console in existance which certainly didn't help.This is a popular narrative but ... just tell me what experiences on smartphone replaced Wii Sports or Wii Play. Words with Friends or Angry Birds are vastly different experiences.
The real truth is that nobody - not even Nintendo - wanted to continue down the path of providing games for that audience.
It has never been easier for Nintendo to produce a console successor.
All they need is:
- a 3 to 5 teraflop console (same concept as the Switch)
- to name it Switch 2 (very important)
- DLSS in the dock for 4K upscaling
- Hall Effect Sensors for their analog sticks (so they don't break down easily)
That's literally it. Nintendo would be the most idiotic company in the world, if wouldn't follow these 4 simple steps.
How about the Nintendo FlipHow about SwitchU?
This is frankly ludicrous.Nintendo doesn’t have the $ to have another major flop.
You lost me when you decided to talk shit about Apple Phones users! Obviously you use an Android and that’s cool!Nintendo is in a very difficult spot right now. Making a successor to the Nintendo Switch is more complicated than just adding more horsepower. People on this forum and others like it are what are called hardcore gaming fans. We keep up with the latest trends and know what is going on behind the scenes. Your average consumer (the masses) do not read gaming news regularly, keep up with trends, or care what any of our opinions are. Having a higher resolution screen and higher framerate means dick to your average consumer. For people to invest in a device it has to offer then much more than what they already have now. Lets look at some trends on devices that offer just hardware upgrades.
-Outside the Apple freaks who buy into the apple cult, Cell phone sales are down by every major brand. The Decline has been tremendous to certain companies. Why? Because the masses are not going to spend hundreds of dollars more on new devices that just offer simple upgrades.
-Lets look at the console market specifically Sony in this case. Granted the PS5 had massive shortages combined with the scummy scalpers inflating the issue until recently. But even if it's not the case this is still true. The vast majority of Playstation players still game on a ps4. Despite there now being PS5's available to buy, many are just happy playing their Playstation 4. Why? Because again many just see it as a minor upgrade to something they already have. Hell most people still do not own 4k TV's and those will not see much benefit at all from upgrading. Eventually the masses will come over when most of their games stop being available on the PS4 but they are content. The PS5 has sold tremendously since launch. Despite that many do not care to upgrade at the present time.
-Lets look at the PC market. There are cards out there with Teraflops that will make your eyes melt. Hell it's to the point you can get a good graphics card for under $250 that beat the ps5/xsx in performance if you know where to look. I have seen refurbished 3080's for under $300 on the market. Depsite all the options, the vast majority of pc players play on ancient hardware. For various reasons, many do not see enough reason to spend hundreds more to upgrade older stuff they already have.
My point is Nintendo is in a bit of a bind here. Yes an improved Switch 2 would be successful and reach the gamers but I do not seen it enough to replicate the Mass Appeal the original Switch has gotten. If they come up with something really unique it could alienate the fans they have made with the Switch. It's kind of a Damn if you do and Damn if you don't situation. Yes releasing a Switch with just improved Hardware would be mildly successful. I just don't think improved visuals and framerate is going to be enough to convince the masses to buy the Switch upgrade.
The vast majority of Playstation players still game on a ps4. Despite there now being PS5's available to buy, many are just happy playing their Playstation 4. Why? Because again many just see it as a minor upgrade to something they already have.
Sadly not going to happen . They'd make less money that way.I just want to be able to buy their classic games again like you could on the Wii and Wii U eshops rather than having them tied to an online only rental service.
No, I agree as well. After six years, most people had enough of the Switch. The novelty of the hybrid concept has worn off. I'd surprised if they continued with just an upgrade of the inner parts of this thing and call it a day. Would be very un-Nintendo to do. They got to have something new to offer, may that be VR or something else. It'd also address their problem with piracy/emulation which they see as a huge pain in the ass I'm sure.Am I the only one who thinks OP is 100% on point?
WiiSwitchU pleaseHow about SwitchU?
That they’re not a very large company? Well, their only income is from video games, which is why their entire market cap is only $50 billion.This is frankly ludicrous.
They just made a $1billion movie. And successful theme parks, as well as a console with Wii levels of commercial success. Pretty sure they're in the strongest position ever financially to have another major flop.Nintendo doesn’t have the $ to have another major flop.
Yes because it drew in a lot of casuals, who moved on to smartphones and tablets after the 7th gen stretch. Then there are some hardcore games who brought it to see what it would feel like and got put off.
The mobile market did affect the casual market in that it made the appeal of a touchscreen less unique.It doesn't matter if the experience isn't exactly the same, smartphones stole the casual market which is why the Wii U's name is a big reason why it flopped. "Why pay $300 for a new wii when i can just play angry birds on my smartphones with friends?" Then there's also the fact that everyone, including casuals thought the Wii was the lamest kiddish console in existance which certainly didn't help.
Why do you think most people have had enough of Switch?No, I agree as well. After six years, most people had enough of the Switch. The novelty of the hybrid concept has worn off. I'd surprised if they continued with just an upgrade of the inner parts of this thing and call it a day. Would be very un-Nintendo to do. They got to have something new to offer, may that be VR or something else. It'd also address their problem with piracy/emulation which they see as a huge pain in the ass I'm sure.
They would be fine with another flop. They don’t lose money on the consoles themselves and even with their flops, they are typically profitable. Even the low times of the Wii U were profitable. They are stock piling money with the hardware and software sales of the switch. Add in movies and then parks to their switch success and they should be good for a little while.They just made a $1billion movie. And successful theme parks, as well as a console with Wii levels of commercial success. Pretty sure they're in the strongest position ever financially to have another major flop.
But those spiritual successors didn't sell anywhere near as they did on the Wii. The top selling games are games like Smash bros, Mario kart, etc. Not games like 1 2 switch or Arms.The mobile market did affect the casual market in that it made the appeal of a touchscreen less unique.
But the actual casual market itself is alive and well. If you look at the games that were popular with the casual audience on Wii (Wii Sports, Wii Fit, Mario Party 8, Mario Kart 8, Mario Galaxy etc.) they almost all have successful sequels or spiritual successors on Switch.
One of Wii U's big problems was that it didn't have enough games to appeal to that wider audience. The Switch does.
Why do you think most people have had enough of Switch?
Ring Fit Adventure is over 15 million and Switch Sports is at nearly 10 million. So clearly there's a significant market for these types of games. I don't think they'll hit the highs of the Wii series, but the market is far from collapse.But those spiritual successors didn't sell anywhere near as they did on the Wii. The top selling games are games like Smash bros, Mario kart, etc. Not games like 1 2 switch or Arms.
You will not be missed.If Nintendo abandons the Switch brand I'm out. I have invested too much into it to just start over again.
They “partnered” to make those things… gave out licenses with creative oversight. Again, $50 Billion is nothing to sneeze at, but it’s not a company with a ton of reserves where they can easily withstand a commercial failure in their primary business.They just made a $1billion movie. And successful theme parks, as well as a console with Wii levels of commercial success. Pretty sure they're in the strongest position ever financially to have another major flop.
Sticking with Nvidia and therefore getting DLSS will be more helpful I would say.I wish Nintendo had the balls to go with x86-64 SoC even if it isn't that powerful, just to facilitate ports from other systems. I image something like the steam deck with lower clock/power profile. But using Zen3+RDNA3. I pay 499 for a system like that, you can make a slim SKU a la Switch mini with an even lower power profile and portable only.
Yes I know, Nintendo would never do that, I'm just dreaming. All I want from the next-gen system is an evolution, not a revolution, keep the Switch formula Nintendo!
The leaked specs indicate that it should exceed the PS4 at the very least.It probably won't be as powerful as Steam Deck, I'll be surprised if it matches the power of a base PS4
Anecdotal evidence, personal experiences. Everyone I know that owns one wouldn't get excited over a successor having the exact same features with nothing more to show than faster hardware.Why do you think most people have had enough of Switch?