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If they were playing each other this week, i'd say you're right.

But man, if they shut down peyton manning AGAIN, their confidence will be through the roof when you guys meet up. If they can shut down the hottest QB, and maybe the hottest team in the playoffs, with 5th and 6th string corners.......then they can beat the steelers imo.

btw, i believe i don't need to draw the parallels between this year and 2001. In fact, i don't want to, those are some painful memories for me as well. :lol
 

bionic77

Member
soulja224466 said:
If they were playing each other this week, i'd say you're right.

But man, if they shut down peyton manning AGAIN, their confidence will be through the roof when you guys meet up. If they can shut down the hottest QB, and maybe the hottest team in the playoffs, with 5th and 6th string corners.......then they can beat the steelers imo.

btw, i believe i don't need to draw the parallels between this year and 2001. In fact, i don't want to, those are some painful memories for me as well. :lol

I can't believe how lucky that 2001 Pats team was.....

The Steelers had an excuse for sleeping on them, what the hell were the Rams thinking taking them so lightly?

I really don't think the Steelers will be beat this year unless Big Ben plays like the typical Steelers QB does in the playoffs. Since he has been crazy clutch all year, I have faith the Messiah will continue to deliver in the postseason. I just like how this team plays football. And I think we will have a good shot at repeating next year as well looking at the buildup of this team.
 
lol its wayyyy too soon to be talking about repeating man. I would never do that, i'm too superstitous. Every time i talk a little shit, my rams lose. I've learned to keep my mouth shut. :lol

The superbowl in 2001 was a joke. The pats had to have about 37 things come together, and they did. Even with their blatant holding of our recievers, we still should have won. I still don't know wtf happened.
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
soulja224466 said:
If they were playing each other this week, i'd say you're right.

But man, if they shut down peyton manning AGAIN, their confidence will be through the roof when you guys meet up. If they can shut down the hottest QB, and maybe the hottest team in the playoffs, with 5th and 6th string corners.......then they can beat the steelers imo.

I disagree. I say after a week off, the Patriots won't lose to anybody. Haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise. But they won't have that week off the next time, plus the Steelers beat the hell out of them last time. The Patriots have shown me no reason to think the result would be any different were the teams to meet again.

First person to say Corey Dillon gets kicked in the crotch.
 

bionic77

Member
Archaix said:
I disagree. I say after a week off, the Patriots won't lose to anybody. Haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise. But they won't have that week off the next time, plus the Steelers beat the hell out of them last time. The Patriots have shown me no reason to think the result would be any different were the teams to meet again.

First person to say Corey Dillon gets kicked in the crotch.

Yeah that is exactly how I feel too. I am obviously biased, but the only thing I could see killing the Steelers in the playoffs is what always kills us, ridiculously horrible QB play. I have reason to believe that won't be the case this year. :D

Oh yeah, speaking of the Messiah, classy move of Ben to donate his paycheck to the tsunami victims. And for those who remember, I predicted the Steelers would handle the Pats weeks before the fact. The Messiah will come through again and deliver us from a continuing Pats dynasty.
 

firex

Member
god, I hope so. I swear if the pats go to the super bowl again I'm going to go insane. if Peyton can't deliver us from evil, then it comes down to Roethlisberger, though he's done it already this year and arguably the pats would be just as banged up as when the streak was utterly crushed, but on different sides of the ball.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
"That's great for Vanderjagt," said Pats linebacker Willie McGinest, who has made big, game-altering plays in each of New England's last three victories over the Colts. "Hopefully, he makes it the next time."


"He should focus on making the field goals, not worried about what we're doing over here, OK?" Harrison said. "I mean, he has to be a jerk, Vanderjerk, if he sits there and criticizes Peyton Manning and Tony Dungy, one of the best quarterbacks in the game and one of the best coaches in the game. And then for him to put his foot in his mouth again just shows what type of character he has."


Vanderjerk, :lol :lol
 

bionic77

Member
Is Vanderjagt fucking insane? He is giving the Pats even more motivation then they already have, putting 100x more pressure on himself, and is setting himself up to be the goat of the year if the Pats win.

Trade him!
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
this is the last year on his contract, and he is 2.8 mil against the cap next year. and he said he wants to go back to the CFL after this year. this will almost surely be his last year with the colts, if not in the NFL
 

ZILLION

Member
The Patriots points given up per game has only risen to 16.3 with the decimated secondary. Patriots rank second in points allowed. As a group they had more int's than any other playoff team,7th in the NFL. The Patriots rank second in scoring defense. The media has made the Patriots defensive injuries a focal point but they haven't really impacted the team negatively.

It's all useless stats anyway. The team who executes better during the game will win. If the Pats force Peyton Manning to make the type of throws he has in the last 5 meetings it's
not going to matter who they have in place of Law and Poole.
 

bishoptl

Banstick Emeritus
Eminem said:
this is the last year on his contract, and he is 2.8 mil against the cap next year. and he said he wants to go back to the CFL after this year.
Keep him away from our beloved BC Lions! The Vancouver media will just bait him incessantly for dumb quotes and soundbites. :(
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
The team who executes better during the game will win

yep. who cares who the pats 4th and 5th CBs are. both offenses are gonna put up a ton of points(especially if it's a clear day like they're projecting). the main question is can the pats match the colts numbers. i think the colts are getting 30+ this time around, but that doesn't mean the pats can't get 40+

bishoptl said:
Keep him away from our beloved BC Lions! The Vancouver media will just bait him incessantly for dumb quotes and soundbites. :(

That would be awesomely amusing.
 

bionic77

Member
Eminem said:
yep. who cares who the pats 4th and 5th CBs are. both offenses are gonna put up a ton of points(especially if it's a clear day like they're projecting). the main question is can the pats match the colts numbers. i think the colts are getting 30+ this time around, but that doesn't mean the pats can't get 40+

I think both offenses are going to come up big. I see both of them going over 28 points. I think the team that makes the most plays on defense and special teams will win. Pats are the kings of pulling special teams miracles out of their asses too.

Colts really need to score early to win in this game to keep the pressure on the Pats. It will quiet the crowd and really put a ton of pressure on the Pats the longer they keep that lead. To beat a good team on the road you always need to get that early lead and do some unexpected things to keep them from getting comfortable.
 

DMczaf

Member
bionic77 said:
If Jordan was the Lord, then I prefer the Antichrist.

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In reality, neither is a deity. There are only two sports stars in the past one hundred years that have reached that status.

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and

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I wonder if Bionic will blame Jordan for Ali having Parkinson’s Disease :lol
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
bionic77 said:
I think both offenses are going to come up big. I see both of them going over 28 points. I think the team that makes the most plays on defense and special teams will win. Pats are the kings of pulling special teams miracles out of their asses too.

Colts really need to score early to win in this game to keep the pressure on the Pats. It will quiet the crowd and really put a ton of pressure on the Pats the longer they keep that lead. To beat a good team on the road you always need to get that early lead and do some unexpected things to keep them from getting comfortable.

yeah, i agree. if the colts go up something like 14-0 like they did on denver, that's gonna put a TON of pressure on the pats to do something right away, which works to the colts advantage obviously.
if the score is like 14-10 pats or something like that at halftime, it's very bad news for the colts.
 

bionic77

Member
DMczaf said:
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I wonder if Bionic will blame Jordan for Ali having Parkinson’s Disease :lol

I don't think Jordan alone could pull off something so diabolical. Remember he always needs a sidekick to actually accomplish something. Pippen isn't a bad enough guy so he wouldn't help. Bill Cartwright didn't even have the balls to stand up to Jordan so he couldn't do it either. Steve Kerr was too short.

Now who would be evil enough to help Jordan give the Greatest a horrible disease?

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DMczaf

Member
What did I tell you bionic? Don't you EVER put Jordan and Brady together! There's just some areas you just don't go, and that's one of them.

Your punishment is this.

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bionic77

Member
Eminem said:
yeah, i agree. if the colts go up something like 14-0 like they did on denver, that's gonna put a TON of pressure on the pats to do something right away, which works to the colts advantage obviously.
if the score is like 14-10 pats or something like that at halftime, it's very bad news for the colts.

I was always of the opinion that you needed to get a lead early on the road to win (unless you are playing teams like San Diego and the Jets who try not to lose). Which is why I will never understand why more road teams don't take any risks in the first quarter. This is something the Pats have done really well on the road, they take a lot more chances early to put pressure on and I always thought was the way to go.
 

bionic77

Member
DMczaf said:
What did I tell you bionic? Don't you EVER put Jordan and Brady together! There's just some areas you just don't go, and that's one of them.

Your punishment is this.

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That has GOT to be against the TOS!

Damn you DM!
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/news/archive/2005/01/12/sports1821EST0389.DTL

Minnesota Vikings owner Red McCombs asked Fox Sports to remove play-by-play announcer Joe Buck from Sunday's playoff game at Philadelphia because of his sharp criticism of wide receiver Randy Moss, and was turned down by the network.

After catching a touchdown pass in last weekend's win at Green Bay, Moss celebrated in the end zone by pretending to pull down his pants and moon Packers fans. Buck immediately called it a "disgusting act."

McCombs said that statement was out of line. A two-sentence news release issued by the team said McCombs felt Buck's comments "suggested a prejudice that surpassed objective reporting."

Dan Bell, a Fox spokesman, said Wednesday the network has "no intention whatsoever" of removing Buck.

Buck, during an interview on Sporting News Radio earlier this week, stood by his criticism.

"I have nothing against Randy Moss," Buck said. "I don't even know the guy. I just know that with the history that he's had, and coming off that game at Washington, it was just stunning to see that."

Moss walked off the field in frustration while his teammates lined up for an onside kick with 2 seconds left the previous week in a 21-18 loss to the Redskins.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
Spectral Glider said:
Joe Buck is fine with the dollars from his Leon commercials for beer sales though.

yep, exactly. and he is fine making money being in commercials with Leon, who is an egotistical prick just like Moss. but got forbid someone like that exists.
he's a hypocrite.

effzee said:
why would someone want to go from the nfl to the cfl?

he said he wanted to end his career where it started, on top of that respect thing
 

Socreges

Banned
Who was that freaking knob commentator going off about how Moss's fake-moon was "disgusting" and it was "unfortunate" that it was caught on TV? Wow, big f'ing deal.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
Socreges said:
Who was that freaking knob commentator going off about how Moss's fake-moon was "disgusting" and it was "unfortunate" that it was caught on TV? Wow, big f'ing deal.

Joe Buck. Same hypocrite who's in the Leon and Slam-a-lama DING DONG commercials.
 

tmdorsey

Member
Picks for this weekend's games:


Steelers
Falcons
Colts
Vikings




I'm so excited for this weekend. Saturday night will be the first time I've attended a NFL playoff game. I've been rocking the Falcon flag on the car all week and I've got my Alge Crumpler jersey ready. This will be the first playoff game in the ATL since '98, so I know the dome is going to be insane.

Damnit Saturday night can't come quick enough. :D
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
I have streamlined my Seventh Annual TV Commentator Awards. No more pregame shows to be rated, no more postgame things, no talk shows, etc. Because -- and how can I say this without sounding like I'm about 90 years old -- the shows are basically top-of-the-head garbage.

Well, not every bit of them, of course. I'll catch ESPN's Chris Mortensen for information. And the same network's Andrea Kremer is the only one who presented, out of the great expanse of Reggie White memorials, a coherent and three-dimensional picture of the man. But in the meantime ... oh my God, the trash.

ESPN's NFL Countdown, for instance, is an exercise in noise, where facts flee like frightened forest things and a thought expressed at anything but full volume will be mercilessly ground underfoot. Fox's NFL Sunday used to hold my attention, but now they've tricked it up, first with some horrible cartoon, fan fantasy football creation that got you into the show, and which, thankfully they did away with, and then with that Ten Yards With Terry Bradshaw thing.

You know, the quick Q&As. What does Jake Delhomme like better, hunting or fishing? What do all of them like better, Play Station II or Xbox? My God, they're asking about toys. Toys! Why not just get my 4-year old grand-daughter on there. Natasha, what's better, jacks or Slinky?

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The best one was when Bradshaw gave Jerry Jones the Q&A routine. "NFL before Fox or NFL since Fox?" Gosh, that's a tough one. Deep thought. "NFL since Fox." Wow? Sound the cannon. Release the pigeons.

And this is what we must listen to, pretending it has been created by adults, for adult consumption. Insults such as that horribly dull, wooden "You've Been Sacked" that masqueraded as halftime entertainment on the Monday night show -- before it got sacked itself. ESPN's Stuart Scott on the Monday Night Countdown, previewing St. Louis-Green Bay: "A game so silly good it'll make you want to sop it up with a biscuit."

Enough already. They'll just have to get by without my help. But I will mention one thing about a trend I've noticed in the regular game telecasts, something that was just raising its head last season but now seems to be spawning: Talking through live action. Failing to describe or even notice it. Talking through a referee's announcement of a penalty, even though it might be important to the game. They just turn down the ref's volume, so that, if I hold my ear next to the speaker, I might get a faint murmur, without really catching the words.

All at the expense of ... what? Story lines. Themes. Informal essays. Anything but honest reporting and a real interest in the panorama that unfolds on the field. The broadcast teams the network consider top of the line are most guilty of this. The guys lower down in the lineup usually keep their ego in check while letting the game dictate the commentary. That is why they are rated higher on my humble chart.

One note -- when I use a single example, it is not just nit-picking. It's something selected as an indicator of the commentator's general style, of more of the same. A few teams will not be listed, and I'm sorry for this but I just didn't get enough looks.

Play-by-play men listed first, then the analysts:

None. Just like last year. Just like the year before it.

Ron Pitts and Tim Ryan, FOX -- Week 13, Carolina at New Orleans. From Ryan: "Watch Aaron Brooks. He'll usually make his bad decisions the play after a dropped pass -- and there are lots of drops ..." Ryan again: "Brentson Buckner is reading the center, Bentley. When he drops his rear end, that's when Buckner goes." I smell film study here. Lots of it. These guys pick up things on the first look, not after they've gone to commercial, and the replay has made it easy for them. The Saints' Will Smith gets a sack on a perfect spin move, and both Ryan, a former defensive lineman, and Pitts, a rare back who understands line play, were on it immediately. "The whole key is to spin and not lose ground ... a lot of them spin and stay in place," Ryan says. "And spin too early," Pitts adds. Do you think all those former QBs and WRs in other booths understand this? Or even care? Not hardly. I like the clear-eyed, non-promotional way Pitts and Ryan approach their job. Muhsin Muhammad ishaving a big day for the Panthers. Is Pitts gushing about it, as so many of them do? Not likely. "Well, he's in his contract year," he says. My kind of announcing, folks. Maybe you'd like a Phil Simms story line, or Cris Collinsworth telling you something's "inexcusible," for about the 20th time. Or John Madden and Al Michaels discussing next year's draft, during the live action, but not me. One more thing and then I'll move on. There's a nice, understated sense of humor at work. Ryan, watching a missed tackle in the 49ers-Seahawks game in Week 3, notes, "Coaches always tell you to watch the belt buckle, when you want to tackle a guy. Well, it never worked for me." "Never worked for me, either," Pitts says. Me either.

Ian Eagle and Solomon Wilcots, CBS -- It's the third four-star year for this pair. Generally a good, honest job. Coverages precisely broken down by Wilcots, a former DB. Play by play and the little things only I find important, such as down and distance, accurately presented by Eagle. One jarring note, though. In their Bengals-Redskins telecast I was hearing the names of players who weren't on the field. There was some kind of breakdown. I don't know how high they are on the CBS food chain, fourth string, maybe? Fifth string? Usually as you descend, you get spotters who aren't always on top of their game, production people who might not be as sharp as the guys on the top team. I'm willing to give Eagle and Wilcots the benefit of the doubt because I like them and the way they approach the game.

Kenny Albert and Brian Baldinger, FOX -- My charts' best friend, that's Kenny. Meticulous about spotting the ball correctly. Good on the identifications. Just looked at my notes from last year's column, and I'd found him deficient in both regards. Sure has improved this season. Baldy works hard at his job, watches a lot of film. Did a terrific job on Giants-Cardinals, pointing out that the Cardinals defensive coaches had a perfect read on what the Giants were doing, always a jump ahead. Baldy described how they were catching them max-protecting when they were rushing only three themselves, and the opposite as well, sending in the rushers when the Giants were caught short on protectors. Really brought the cat-and-mouse game into focus and made it a pleasure to watch.

Kevin Harlan and Randy Cross, CBS -- Up from last year's two and a half. One of the few teams that got a raise on the Z-meter this year, basically because Cross has dropped his cute approach that bothered me for so many years and has decided to take a really good look at what's happening out there. I also liked his observation in the San Diego-KC game in Week 12, matching the the two best tight ends in the game, Antonio Gates and Tony Gonzalez. Did he get all gushy about this pair? He did not. He mentioned that it really bugged him that two receivers of this caliber could come off the line totally unmolested and allowed to waltz into the secondary free as birds. Harlan is my favorite play-by-play guy because he seems to feel it's his duty to describe the substitutions of personnel in the different packages. If this were England, I'd make he sure he was knighted for this because it just makes my job so much easier, and so few of them do it. Harlan will also, on occasion, actually try to tell you who made the good defensive plays on special teams, even blocks, and practically none of the other network voices bother with this.

Sam Rosen and Bill Maas, Fox -- Rosen is the other guy who will give you a good reading on the players who are out there, instead of blindly going with the original graphic, which is usually wrong. I wish he were better at spotting the ball, but you can't have everything. Very early in the Giants-Redskins game in Week 13 Maas told us that the Skins had a perfect read on everything the Giants were doing, and it sure held up. Next day the New York papers were full of quotes from Giant players, even coach Tom Coughlin, about how Washington defensive coach Gregg Williams really had a jump on them. Some days aren't so good, such as the 49ers-Jets game, in which Maas and Rosen blew the whole bit about Jets' defensive coordinator Donnie Henderson getting so upset that he left the booth and invaded the sideline. Generally, though, this is an honest announcing team, and the guys work hard, but Bill, I tell you this as a friend. You must try to cut down on the Leo Gorcey-style malaprops. "It's time to button down the hatches ... The Carolina defense is starting to wilter a bit," etc.

This is the border between good and not so good, and usually it's a crowded position, but this year there are none, zip, nada. Maybe it's because in my old age I'm starting to see things with less tolerance, more starkly.

Joe Buck, Cris Collinsworth, Troy Aikman, FOX -- I had been tracking a more or less gradual rise for Fox's No. 1 team, but now it drops from last year. Well, Buck, for one thing doesn't care about down and distance or accuracy in his play by play, or even mentioning who makes the tackle. Often I had to run the tape back, even after I'd seen the game, to find out what the defense was doing, because they cut away from the play so quickly without adequate explanation. Add to that the fact that nobody in the booth seems to know or care a hoot about line play. And add to that the fact that early in the season, they were just talking over the live action at times and not even describing it, which represents some some real arrogance. Thankfully that was corrected, but in its place was an occasional look through a weird camera they bragged about that brought you the game from a ground-level view -- way behind the action, as if you were seeing things from the worst seat in the house, row one, end zone. All this did was give me a headache, but not as bad as another gimmick they went with at the end of the season -- picking up the kickoff in progress, so poor old Z could not record his hang time.

So why aren't they even lower? Because these are bright guys who are OK when they're in their province, which is the passing game, and I had them at three stars, right until the Minnesota-Green Bay wild-card contest. That one dropped 'em. Brett Favre apologists abound, but when the guy screws it up, for God's sake say it, don't cop out every time. No interception was his fault; it was always the guy running the pattern. How about the one where he overthrew Javon Walker, and Collinsworth said Walker had screwed it up because he was supposed to run a flat pattern instead of going downfield? Uh, if Favre were expecting him to run to the flat, instead of downfield, he would have underthrown the ball, not overthrown it. And then when Favre pulled that weirdie at the end of the half, near the Vikings goal line, running three yards past the line and underhanding it to Walker in the end zone ... and drawing a penalty...and then laughing about it. We heard this from Collinsworth: "The funniest part was Walt Anderson, the referee, could barely make the call without laughing." Hey, I watched Anderson, too, and I didn't see the hint of a smile. And the guys on the Packers weren't laughing after Ryan Longwell missed the subsequent field goal. This is what is known as dishonest reporting. But when Randy Moss caught the fourth-quarter TD and treated the Packer crowd to a dry moon that lasted exactly one second, that's all, we had to listen to this blather from Buck, who got his panties all in a knot: "That is a disgusting act by Randy Moss and it's unfortunate that we had that on our air live." Well, if no one would get to see it, then how could you get anyone to agree with you, Joe Baby? But the thinking of a guy like this extends only so far.

Dick Stockton and Daryl Johnston, FOX -- Another twosome that's dropped half a star, and I hate to do it, because they're good guys, just as Aikman is. First the good: Giants-Dallas, Week 5, alert work at times, especially by the Moose, pointing out things like DBs slipping on their coverage, etc. The bad -- Stockton is generally off on spotting the ball, once as much as five yards. Everything came up late in Chicago-Giants, Week 9 -- the calls, the recognition of the penalty flags. One time a full minute actually went by before they picked up on the fact that the play had been wiped out. "How do you know it was a full minute?" the Flaming Redhead asked me. Because I timed it, that's how. "Oh my God, are you one of those nerdy people who sits there with a stopwatch, timing everything?" Yes I am. That's me. I owe it to my readers, to my conscience. The point is that this twosome had moments in which they were so busy making a point that they lost track of the action. Worse is the way they push the super-stars. Giants-Dallas again, this time the dark side. Roy Williams delivers a cheap shot to Amani Toomer's back. They're all raving about Williams. Another Ronnie Lott, etc. "He's really something," Tony Siragusa says from the field. Next play Toomer gets even. He cuts Williams, takes him off his feet, as Tiki Barber goes 55 yards on a screen pass. "His man vacated the area," Johnston says, without mentioning that said man was the great Williams, the second coming of Ronnie Lott.

Dick Enberg and Dan Dierdorf, CBS -- First the good. Jaguars-Colts, Week 7. On top of their game. Caught controversial plays early, such as a reversal when Marvin Harrison was ruled to have touched the end line on a touchdown. Really terrific camera work, too, which made it possible to nail the Harrison play. Plus an obscure one: Tarik Glenn's behind knocking the ball loose from Dallas Clark. Now the bad. Miami at New England. Pushed the stars, lost interest in the game early. Jets-Buffalo, Week 9. Wondered why Chad Pennington was lifted. Never found out that his shoulder was hurt. Where's their sideline guy, Armen Keteyian? Jets-St.Louis: Winning TD came when Jets nickel back Terrell Buckley ran into one of his own linebackers. TV crew never saw it. My theory is, if I can see it, why can't the guys at the game pick it up? They just don't see things they should.

Curt Menefee and Tim Green, Fox -- I've actually raised this team a whole star from last year's dismal one and a half because Green, a former DE, is one of the few analysts who knows what's happening up front. And he's gotten away from that inspirational lecture circuit of his. But someone's feeding these guys bad information. Seahawks-Bucs game: "The first first down for Tampa Bay," Menefee says, "and here we are almost through the second quarter." No, friend. It was their sixth. Then there are misidentifications of who's really doing what, based, I guess, on wrong information from the spotters. And finally this one, which didn't affect their rating, only my sanity: Seahawks-Bucs again. From Green, talking about wideout Koren Robinson: "Dropped three passes last week ... a bit of a snide to get out from under." Tim, I know you were an English major at Syracuse and a very bright student, but maybe you ought to read a little Isaac Bashevis Singer. Some of us take it very seriously when we hear a schneid refered to as, ugh, a snide.

Gus Johnson and Brent Jones, CBS -- I've got nothing against this twosome, which I seem to have locked into the two/two-and-a-half level for as long as I can remember. Enthusiastic, yes, and I think they try to do an honest job, but I don't get the feeling they're really on top of things. KC-Tampa Bay. The graphic hasn't listed Jared Allen as a starter at RDE for the Chiefs, even though this is his third week starting, and he broke in with a bang, getting two sacks in his first week with the No. 1 unit and has really become a force. So they just ride with it, never offering a correction. Yeah, I know, a minor fault, but stuff like that just doesn't sit right.

Don Criqui and Steve Tasker, CBS -- Things are falling apart here. Players are misidentified, wrong ball carriers are named, and then a point is made about them. First Indy-Jacksonville game, technical stuff has broken down as well. They go to a commercial, for instance, without telling you a timeout has been called, or by whom. The spotters seem to be asleep. Coverages, double coverages, are not accurately described. Criqui mentions how punter Hunter Smith, "places it beautifully," when it actually comes down on the numbers. Neither one of them has a whiff of what line play is all about. Why not a lower ranking? Because most of the time it isn't this bad, and they're both honest workers.

Jim Nantz and Phil Simms, CBS -- They've come up half a star because Jim Nantz replaced Greg Gumbel. And the way Nantz started the season, I told myself, Wow, this is the year the network's No. 1 team finally gets out of jail and onto terra dolce. I mean, Nantz was actually telling you about good blocks in the line, and doing it fairly accurately. But the brass soon put a stop to that nonsense. Story line. Stars. That's what we want here.

Simms wrote a book in which he laid some heavy lumber on fellow members of his profession. Physician, heal thyself. I have half a page of his howlers, but I'll give you only a few. Pittsburgh-Dallas, Week 6: "You need a featured running back if you want to have success running the football." Patriots-Jets, Week 7: "If you want to be really good stopping the run, you need run stoppers inside." Patriots-Steelers, Week 8: "Looks like the football might have touched the top of the ground." (You mean it hadn't yet entered the cave?) Indy-Detroit, Thanksgiving Day, describing the harmony among the Colts receivers and their QB: "They have no egos. You don't hear of any squabbles." And this was not so long after that well-exposed sideline shot of Reggie Wayne shoving Peyton Manning. In Phil's defense, when he's really keyed up for a game, he can impart that sense of enthusiasm and excitement. But accuracy is not his long suit.

Al Michaels and John Madden, ABC -- Now I could be way off, but here's what I think is happening, why a successful three-and-a-half star rating last season has fallen so far. I think there's a huge resentment at the network against the NFL and the doggy games the league has provided this season. ABC has taken a hard pro-choice -- when it comes to the schedule, it wants flexibility. Consequently, somehow Madden and Michaels have been steered toward getting off the game action quickly and turning to events of the day or problems of the league, or farm prices in Argentina, or something. I cannot believe that on their own they would show such a lack of interest in the action on the field when the spread reaches 10 points or so, no matter how early in the contest. I think there's bad stuff coming in through their head sets. And that's also why they let Michele Tafoya run her sideline stuff, interviews or whatever, right through the live action, sometimes totally obliterating a play or two or three, which are never followed up. And a game that looks shaky from the start? Forget it.

Case in point, New England at Miami on December 20. So we get the usual Patriots puff pieces, on Brady and the Belichick defense, etc., and it's like the Dolphins are not even on the field, except for a brief mention of Jason Taylor. But guess what, the Dolphins are actually in it, and in the fourth quarter they're within one score, and they've got the ball. But Madden and Michaels have kissed off the game long before this, and they're talking about Charlie Weis going to Notre Dame, and then prospects in general for the Irish and to dress this up we're hearing the Notre Dame victory march on the sound track. This is while Miami is driving, mind you. So then it gets real tight, and Madden and Michaels are dragged back into it, almost reluctantly, but they haven't really been paying attention, you see, so all they can offer is a cursory description without any real analysis. Which was why the key play of the game was totally blown, when Brady's last pass was intercepted by safety Arturo Freeman, which turned out the lights. Earlier in the game, the Dolphins ran a successful tandem blitz, two linebackers coming up the pipe, forcing Brady into an errant throw. On the last pick, Miami ran the same blitz, with the second guy, Morlon Greenwood, hitting Brady just as he delivered the ball. The Patriots were very sloppy in their blitz pick up, both times, and a point could have been made here, about maybe Weis' split duties causing a decrease in the offensive efficiency. I had seen what had happened, so I waited for the official explanation from the booth. It never came. They went to commercial, which is when they find out what happened, if they missed it the first time. When they came out of it and showed the replay, Madden mumbled something about how "the safety was playing back." Gosh, John, that's why they call them safeties. Not a word about what really had happened. Nope, it just won't do, even though millions of viewers out there love the shtick and the horse trailer and all that crap. I don't and this is my to y.

Thom Brennaman and JC Pearson, Fox -- Sorry, but I didn't catch them often enough, But what I did see was a team whose interest started waning in the late going. This was during Tampa Bay-San Diego, and fellas, this just shouldn't happen. You're young and you should be full of spirit. Please show the necessary enthusiasm in the future.

Mike Patrick, Joe Theismann and Paul Maguire, ESPN -- How is it earthly possible to drop from half a star to none? Easy. They used to provide a teeny weeny bit of information. Now they provide none. And they contradict themselves, often from one series to the next. I don't think they're really fully aware of what they're saying. Theismann in the early KC-Denver game: "The single most classic rivalry in TV." Hmmm. Does Chicago still play Green Bay? Maguire on Cleveland-Baltimore, Week 9: "Jamal Lewis averages six yards a carry. All you have to do is keep giving it to him, and you'll keep getting in second-and-four situations." My God! Brian Billick must be told immediately! Theismann, Bills-Patriots, Week 10, after Brady throws a pick: "You've got to figure the receiver went where he shouldn't." Absolutely. Great QBs never throw interceptions on their own. And through all this, the slow, half goofy drone of Patrick, with every word emphasized, no matter how meaningless. "And tonight! We have sixty-three! Thousand! Fans!" (Whew). Oh, we get some inside stuff all right. Theismann on his exclusive interview with Pittsburgh defensive coach Dick LeBeau during the Steelers-Jaguars telecast: "I saw Dick LeBeau before the game, and I told him, 'Nice to have you back,' and do you know what he told me?" No, what? "Nice to be back." And of course, there's Suzy Kolber and her sideline essays that run right through the live action, and finally, some serious pregame handicapping -- again from Theismann. This was before the contest in which Oakland upset the Broncos: "They can just forget about throwing the ball to Jerry Porter when Champ Bailey's on him. There's no place to get the ball in." That was the game in which Porter caught touchdowns off Bailey for 42 and 14 yards, plus another 52-yarder off him. But so what? Who remembers what is said? Who cares? Me, your faithful narrator, your TV guide.

Spiro Dedas and Erik Kramer, FOX -- I caught them on one game, Seattle-Arizona in Week 7, and I think that's the only one they worked. I couldn't find them anywhere else. Dedas is a young guy just getting his feet wet in football. Kramer, the former Lions and Bears QB, was surprisingly perceptive, especially when he was explaining coverages. Very helpful to me, because it's the one area that's severely limited by the boundaries of the TV screen. Kramer was not above the occasional rip, either, when he saw something he didn't like. Glad to have you aboard, fellas.
 

DarienA

The black man everyone at Activision can agree on
<warning...incoming lame joke>Joe Buck needs to shut the Buck up already....
 
Kudos to Dr. Z, that was an awesome read. I haven't gotten to hear all the announce teams, but of the ones I have I agree with just about everything he said. The one exception would be Randy Cross, I would never have him near the top of any list ever. That's a guy who during the last week of the season told us, after a player spun out of a tackle, that Mike Vick brought the spin move to the game.
 

Eminem

goddamit, Griese!
soulja224466 said:
i don't see how being in leon commercials makes him a hypocrite, but he's still a douchebag(like salisbury).

be cause he's starring in commercials that focus on a self-centered, egotistical, "me first" superstar. isn't that randy moss? oh yeah, it is. Joke or not, it's the principle of the thing. He'll make money from commercials with Leon, but when someone acts like him(Lean) in real life, it's "disgusting" and "shameless"
 

Archaix

Drunky McMurder
Eminem said:
and mike shermon is stripped of his GM powers :lol :lol


Good start by Green Bay. Now they only have to strip him of his coaching powers. The team is fine talent-wise, they are miserably coached.

I agree with Dr Z's announcer ratings a lot more this year than last (He had a John Madden team at 3.5 stars...unacceptable, especially for somebody who says he hates when announcers just talk about stars), but Baldinger/Albert combined for one of the worst performances by a tandem this year in Titans-Colts. It's the only game I've seen them work, or at least that I recall, so that's all I can judge.

I like that Jones and Johnson are low though. They provided the worst moment in football announcing history. A few years back they were doing a Steelers game and went almost 30 seconds without saying a word(There were no technical problems, if there were they didn't bother mentioning them) between plays. The clock was stopped, they didn't say a thing, and then halfway through the play they woke up and resumed talking.

by the way, here's a link to that story since none was provided:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2005/writers/dr_z/01/12/drz.announcers/
 

Ristamar

Member
Anyone listening to ESPN Radio? Erik Kuselias has been fucking whining about the Patriots' field conditions for an hour now. Ugh.
 

Fifty

Member
Wow, he finally wrote something I like.
Brett Favre apologists abound, but when the guy screws it up, for God's sake say it, don't cop out every time. No interception was his fault; it was always the guy running the pattern. How about the one where he overthrew Javon Walker, and Collinsworth said Walker had screwed it up because he was supposed to run a flat pattern instead of going downfield? Uh, if Favre were expecting him to run to the flat, instead of downfield, he would have underthrown the ball, not overthrown it. And then when Favre pulled that weirdie at the end of the half, near the Vikings goal line, running three yards past the line and underhanding it to Walker in the end zone ... and drawing a penalty...and then laughing about it. We heard this from Collinsworth: "The funniest part was Walt Anderson, the referee, could barely make the call without laughing." Hey, I watched Anderson, too, and I didn't see the hint of a smile. And the guys on the Packers weren't laughing after Ryan Longwell missed the subsequent field goal. This is what is known as dishonest reporting. But when Randy Moss caught the fourth-quarter TD and treated the Packer crowd to a dry moon that lasted exactly one second, that's all, we had to listen to this blather from Buck, who got his panties all in a knot: "That is a disgusting act by Randy Moss and it's unfortunate that we had that on our air live." Well, if no one would get to see it, then how could you get anyone to agree with you, Joe Baby? But the thinking of a guy like this extends only so far.
is the best part
 

Mooreberg

is sharpening a shovel and digging a ditch
bob_arctor said:
Yes, Chad will miss the biggest game of his career, the most important for the franchise since '98, in the most brutally physical sport out there, already playing with a bum shoulder that more than likely requires surgery, because of the flu. Yes, that will happen. :/

I didn't say he wouldn't play. It just adds to what is already stacked against the Jets. I actually hope they pull off an upset, but I wouldn't put money on it.
 

Agent Icebeezy

Welcome beautful toddler, Madison Elizabeth, to the horde!
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/20...4/01/13/bc.fbn.vikings.mossfine.ap/index.html

EDEN PRAIRIE, Minn. (AP) -- Randy Moss trudged out to his truck in the subzero cold, with a huge, black hooded sweat shirt covering almost his entire face. All that was showing was a carefree smile.

In his usual flippant manner, Moss showed no remorse for his latest misdeed.

Minnesota's controversial wide receiver was fined $10,000 Thursday by the NFL for pretending to pull down his pants and moon the Green Bay crowd during a playoff win last weekend.

"Ain't nothing but 10 grand. What's 10 grand, to me?" said Moss, whose salary this season is $5.75 million. He then jokingly suggested he might perform a more vulgar celebration next time.

Peter Hadhazy, the league's director of game operations, penalized Moss for unsportsmanlike conduct in a letter released by the NFL.

"Your actions were based on poor judgment, did not reflect well on you or the Vikings, and were insulting to many," Hadhazy wrote. "They have resulted in widespread criticism and needlessly detracted from Minnesota's dramatic playoff victory. Fans should look to you and your teammates to see how to compete and win in football. But when you lose your focus on playing and engage in sideshows as you did on Sunday, you forfeit much of this."

Moss also briefly bumped the goalpost with his backside before hugging teammates in the end zone following a fourth-quarter touchdown catch that clinched the Vikings' 31-17 victory over the Packers.

League rules mandate discipline for "obscene gestures or other actions construed as being in poor taste." A fine for the first offense under those guidelines is $5,000.

The NFL said Moss was fined more than the minimum because this isn't the first time he has been disciplined for unsportsmanlike conduct. He paid a $25,000 penalty in 1999 for squirting an official with a water bottle.

Moss wasn't the only player fined on Thursday. The NFL also fined New York Jets linebacker Eric Barton $7,500 for hitting San Diego quarterback Drew Brees in the head during last weekend's playoff game.

Moss, whose 9,142 career yards receiving are the most ever by any player over his first seven seasons, has drawn more than his share of punishments and negative publicity.

The league fined him $5,000 for his role in a scuffle with the Chicago Bears during a September game, and he was charged the same amount in November 2003 for spiking a ball at the foot of Detroit Lions cornerback Dre' Bly.

In December 2002, he was fined $1,200 by a judge after being charged with bumping a traffic control officer with his car in downtown Minneapolis.

For verbally abusing corporate sponsors on the team bus following a loss in November 2001, Moss was fined $15,000 by the Vikings and required to receive anger management counseling.

And just last week, he was rebuked by teammates for leaving the field before the end of a loss to the Washington Redskins.

Moss' agent, Dante DiTrapano, said the fine was unnecessary and that he plans to appeal.

"If you can't have freedom of expression on the football field, come on," DiTrapano said.

DiTrapano argued that there was a story behind the dance Moss did in the end zone. The pantomimed pants-pulling was a response to Green Bay fans' tradition of mooning the visiting team's bus in the parking lot. And the rump bump against the goalpost, DiTrapano said, was a tribute to an old friend of Moss' who was at Lambeau Field for the game. Donnie Jones, who played at Dupont High School in West Virginia a few years before Moss did, used to celebrate like that after touchdowns.

"Like everything else, I think it's blown out of proportion," DiTrapano said. "It's not fair, but we're used to it. It just rolls right off of us."
 
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