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The Office: Final Season |OT| It's better to burn out than it is to rust
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I am a big fan of Ed Helms, but I loathe Andy these days. I don't like bullies and the way he is just so absurdly awful to Nellie is not pleasant to watch. It's really off-putting and I have no clue what they're thinking having it go on so long. Yes, he redeemed himself every so slightly at the end of the last episode.. but it's just been uncomfortable prior to that, and not in that fun kind of way like Curb.
I think the show would be suffering regardless. Andy is not much different that Michael tbh. The writers just don't know what to do with these characters anymore. The last season with Michael wasn't exactly gold.
I'd actually say so. Not drastically improving my opinion, but it's climbing slowly up.
What I don't like is that they completely changed the Nellie character and completely changed the Andy character. Now suddenly, out of absolutely nowhere, Andy is more of a "Roy" character to the new guy's "Jim". Suddenly, Nellie is this timid shy person. What on earth? Did they forget her character all throughout season 8?
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No, but you can tell that's at least what they're trying to do.
SlowRevolution
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Wish they would've kept the pumpkin on Dwight the whole episode and just not commented on it after the cold open.
Did they completely forget that they made one of the new guys really creepy in the second episode?
Did they completely forget that they made one of the new guys really creepy in the second episode?
toddhunter
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It helps to distract people from wondering why a very small office needs an office manager and a special projects manager.
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
Rewatching season 2 right now. Go back and watch The Dundees, Office Olympics, The Fire, Christms Party, Booze Cruise, The Injury, Dwight's Speech... really any episode. Seriously. Just go do it.
fluffydelusions
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DAT pumpkin head
SlowRevolution
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I haven't watched it in a long time, but Booze Cruise is probably my favorite episode. Season two (and three to a lesser extent) was great.
Oh God, seasons 2 and 3... so good ;_;
SlowRevolution
Member
The first episode of the season was pretty good.
toddhunter
Member
Yeah I agree, then back to normal I'm afraid.
Doesn't get much better in any show ever. Season 4 was also decent up until Dinner Party (I like the episode, but it signalled the death of the show).
SlowRevolution
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So Stephen Colbert wasn't even on set with them? Pretty disappointing.
RangersFan
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Meredith as black widow was best part of the episode
Expendable.
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What a sloppy mess of an episode.
Watching seasons 1-3 would just depress me. I'll have to wait a long time after the show's run ends.
I'm watching tonight's episode right now and...I still strongly dislike Andy. Ugh. Just an awful character.
I watched it for Stephen Colbert. I kind of regret it. Thank god for Parks.
The camera crew.
Sousanator
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No, Oscar just saw the cameraman filming him. (EDIT: Beaten)
Highlights of the episode for me:
Creeds one line about Halloween(he seems to be the only consistently funny character)
Erin - "Buts are for pooping"
So 22 minutes and I only laughed at two lines. This show needs to end because my OCD won't let me miss an episode.
brianmcdoogle
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Did Dwight really stare into the camera to talk about his brother and siblings and how he takes care for them in a really obvious setup for the spinoff? Yikes.
This episode was a strange. Once again, none of the Andy stuff was fun or enjoyable. The Nellie stuff continues to be offensive and pandering to the point where I hate the writing team and feel sorry for any of the suckers who swallow the garbage; are they going to give Nellie a puppy that Andy accidentally runs over? Colbert stuff was a bummer.
Daryl had some good moments, but has Phyllis said anything this season?
And, unless they go completely stupid, the Andy/Erin relationship has to end.
Pumpkin stuff was great, but it should have stayed in for the first act, then something should have happened and they ditched it. They got rid of it too soon.
Oh, and nice that they totally underminded the ending with Jim and Pam last episode.
Great job at bringing down the show, writers.
Sidenote, I can't think of an unfunny bit involving Toby.
Edit: wrote too soon. Should have finished the episode after the credits.
This episode was a strange. Once again, none of the Andy stuff was fun or enjoyable. The Nellie stuff continues to be offensive and pandering to the point where I hate the writing team and feel sorry for any of the suckers who swallow the garbage; are they going to give Nellie a puppy that Andy accidentally runs over? Colbert stuff was a bummer.
Daryl had some good moments, but has Phyllis said anything this season?
And, unless they go completely stupid, the Andy/Erin relationship has to end.
Pumpkin stuff was great, but it should have stayed in for the first act, then something should have happened and they ditched it. They got rid of it too soon.
Oh, and nice that they totally underminded the ending with Jim and Pam last episode.
Great job at bringing down the show, writers.
Sidenote, I can't think of an unfunny bit involving Toby.
Edit: wrote too soon. Should have finished the episode after the credits.
brianjones
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wow this was terrible.. one of the worst of the series, if not the worst
FantasticMrFoxdie
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Okay episode besides the whole Pam Jim parts.
The Creed bit got me good.
The Creed bit got me good.
RadioHeadAche
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That pumpkin Dwight cold-open was one of the best ones I've seen in a long time. As for the rest of the episode...not great.
decent episode... it felt kind of like a set up episode:
- marital problems between Jim and Pam
- Dwight's cousins/farm stuff to set up for the spin off series
- first real hint that Erin is questioning her relationship with andy
- Toby's fit of rage at the end (scranton strangler?)
- Andy's broke family will probably be on-going issue this season
The senator and Oscar thing is getting pointless - we get it, they're together. now what? Andy and the acappella group was stupid... his character just get's more and more annoying each episode. And the writers attempt to make us feel sorry and like Nellie is pathetic. "The boss is so mean too her! she wants a baby! she's on anti-anxiety meds!" lol
- marital problems between Jim and Pam
- Dwight's cousins/farm stuff to set up for the spin off series
- first real hint that Erin is questioning her relationship with andy
- Toby's fit of rage at the end (scranton strangler?)
- Andy's broke family will probably be on-going issue this season
The senator and Oscar thing is getting pointless - we get it, they're together. now what? Andy and the acappella group was stupid... his character just get's more and more annoying each episode. And the writers attempt to make us feel sorry and like Nellie is pathetic. "The boss is so mean too her! she wants a baby! she's on anti-anxiety meds!" lol
Davey Cakes
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That's hyperbolic. It was a decent episode. Not any worse (or better) than the last one.
"Casino Night" was on TV last night, great episode surrounding Michael Scott. I've seen the series two times from start to current episode, will likely give it a third close to full rewatch once this season finally ends.
This episode is anything but decent. If it was from the first season of a new show it wouldn't make it to mid-season before being cut.
spindashing
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Toby and Creed always manage to get me to laugh. Darryl too, but Toby and Creed are god tier.
brianmcdoogle
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they use creed far too much now. he's had a "moment" in every episode this season so far, and a lot last season as well. the more they use him, the less funny he becomes to me.
Plinko
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I thought that was one of the worst, especially for a guy like Dwight who knows so much about farming. He just would have broken the pumpkin. It was so unbelievable that it wasn't funny to me at all.
Ignatz Mouse
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After seasons worth of defending this show, I now think it's terrible.
I liked Robert California
I liked the post-get-together Jim and Pam, and I liked their wedding and the childbirth
I liked Sabre, Gabe and Jo.
I even liked Nellie to a small degree last season.
Not that there weren't down points and bad episodes, but on the whole I liked it.
But this season has been just flat out terrible. I'm keeping up with it mostly to see if there's some payoff to some long-standing subplots, or to see if and how they blow things up. It could be entertaining.
However, thus far... it is not.
Yeah. Scaring Erin was hilarious, and the rest was really dumb.
I liked Robert California
I liked the post-get-together Jim and Pam, and I liked their wedding and the childbirth
I liked Sabre, Gabe and Jo.
I even liked Nellie to a small degree last season.
Not that there weren't down points and bad episodes, but on the whole I liked it.
But this season has been just flat out terrible. I'm keeping up with it mostly to see if there's some payoff to some long-standing subplots, or to see if and how they blow things up. It could be entertaining.
However, thus far... it is not.
Yeah. Scaring Erin was hilarious, and the rest was really dumb.
Yep. I couldn't believe how unrealistic and unfunny that was. Two terrible cold opens in a row.
brianmcdoogle
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speaking of crap, isn't Gabe still on the show? Isn't he still in the office for some reason? where has he been? killing people as the scranton strangler?
Stumpokapow
listen to the mad man
I'm up to "The Merger" in Season 3 in this rewatch.
Here's what we know about Andy Bernard:
- He's incredibly self-confident and puts on an exterior face of complete control--and there's no reason to believe he's compensating for anything, he seems to legitimately believe he's hot shit.
- He brags about being drunk in college, and apparently likes to drink to excess
- He brags about his luck with the ladies and seems to have a shallow emotional understanding of romantic love.
- He's very competitive with Jim.
- He wants to impress his boss, Michael Scott, and buys into dumb PUA-style pop-psychology.
- He has a barely contained anger problem.
- He's not at all considerate of others, and hasn't actually taken the time to learn Jim's name.
- He is supposedly book smart, but largely we just see him as being stupid.
Here's what we know about Michael Scott:
- He's insecure about his performance as boss
- He's very thoughtful and caring and loves too much but his obliviousness often makes him come off outwardly rude
- He seems to have a childlike naivety and lacks basic knowledge about adult interaction
- He can be petty and vindictive when he feels slighted
- He sees the office as his family.
- He is unlucky in love because he falls too hard and doesn't understand how relationships work
- He's constantly joking around, but largely not funny.
- He is not book smart, and normally comes off dumb, but occasionally displays amazing intuition and street smarts.
*flash foward to season 9*
Here's how I would describe Andy:
- He's insecure about his performance as boss
- He's very thoughtful and caring and loves too much but his obliviousness often makes him come off outwardly rude
- He seems to have a childlike naivety and lacks basic knowledge about adult interaction
- He can be petty and vindictive when he feels slighted
- He sees the office as his family.
- He is unlucky in love because he falls too hard and doesn't understand how relationships work
- He's constantly joking around, but largely not funny.
- He is not book smart, and normally comes off dumb, but occasionally displays amazing intuition and street smarts.
Great character development writers.
Kevin went from being a juvenile, slow, sex-obsessed guy with a normal life and interests to being a Homer Simpsons level mental incompetent who can't put on shoes but has a savantesque talent for mental math (a skill not particularly useful to his job) hidden behind his love of food.
Ryan starts out as an incredibly smart young buck who wants to achieve and, like Jim, doesn't want to invest too much in a dead company--but unlike Jim, doesn't have the youthful spark to be a prankster or joke about it. He wants to improve his stature and get somewhere in life. So then randomly and with no reason he's an executive, and they basically make him a cokehead douchebag city living type, entirely neutering his intellect. They basically make him a typically myopic, self-obsessed executive. Fine, so he gets (?)arrested(?) and then ends up being a teenager pseudo-philosophical college atheist hipster parody who doesn't want to do anything in life. You can't de-age someone by 10 or 12 years and entirely alter their personality. The only part of his arc that rings true is how he initially uses Kelly, and then finds that he needs her even if he can't quite explain why.
Here's what we know about Andy Bernard:
- He's incredibly self-confident and puts on an exterior face of complete control--and there's no reason to believe he's compensating for anything, he seems to legitimately believe he's hot shit.
- He brags about being drunk in college, and apparently likes to drink to excess
- He brags about his luck with the ladies and seems to have a shallow emotional understanding of romantic love.
- He's very competitive with Jim.
- He wants to impress his boss, Michael Scott, and buys into dumb PUA-style pop-psychology.
- He has a barely contained anger problem.
- He's not at all considerate of others, and hasn't actually taken the time to learn Jim's name.
- He is supposedly book smart, but largely we just see him as being stupid.
Here's what we know about Michael Scott:
- He's insecure about his performance as boss
- He's very thoughtful and caring and loves too much but his obliviousness often makes him come off outwardly rude
- He seems to have a childlike naivety and lacks basic knowledge about adult interaction
- He can be petty and vindictive when he feels slighted
- He sees the office as his family.
- He is unlucky in love because he falls too hard and doesn't understand how relationships work
- He's constantly joking around, but largely not funny.
- He is not book smart, and normally comes off dumb, but occasionally displays amazing intuition and street smarts.
*flash foward to season 9*
Here's how I would describe Andy:
- He's insecure about his performance as boss
- He's very thoughtful and caring and loves too much but his obliviousness often makes him come off outwardly rude
- He seems to have a childlike naivety and lacks basic knowledge about adult interaction
- He can be petty and vindictive when he feels slighted
- He sees the office as his family.
- He is unlucky in love because he falls too hard and doesn't understand how relationships work
- He's constantly joking around, but largely not funny.
- He is not book smart, and normally comes off dumb, but occasionally displays amazing intuition and street smarts.
Great character development writers.
Kevin went from being a juvenile, slow, sex-obsessed guy with a normal life and interests to being a Homer Simpsons level mental incompetent who can't put on shoes but has a savantesque talent for mental math (a skill not particularly useful to his job) hidden behind his love of food.
Ryan starts out as an incredibly smart young buck who wants to achieve and, like Jim, doesn't want to invest too much in a dead company--but unlike Jim, doesn't have the youthful spark to be a prankster or joke about it. He wants to improve his stature and get somewhere in life. So then randomly and with no reason he's an executive, and they basically make him a cokehead douchebag city living type, entirely neutering his intellect. They basically make him a typically myopic, self-obsessed executive. Fine, so he gets (?)arrested(?) and then ends up being a teenager pseudo-philosophical college atheist hipster parody who doesn't want to do anything in life. You can't de-age someone by 10 or 12 years and entirely alter their personality. The only part of his arc that rings true is how he initially uses Kelly, and then finds that he needs her even if he can't quite explain why.
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