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The Office: Final Season |OT| It's better to burn out than it is to rust

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Scott's Tots was the worst episode of the series. Any talk of this being the worst is stupid hyperbole, and this sort of talk comes up on IMDB after every episode in the show's run. I expect more from here.

I liked last night's episode.

Loved the cold open
Loved Creed splattered in blood, and thats what she said
Loved angry Pam
Loved Dwight blocking his ears from HCT singing

Unfortunately the generally agreed upon worst episodes of the series' run don't even exist in this season OR last season. So far so good on this season. I still love the show. I laugh every time. If you are going to come on here and bitch, at least bitch in a useful direction. My complaint was that I had been REALLY looking forward to meeting Here Comes Treble, and I found the 8 Cornell douches sort of offputting. I think they could have done the Steven Colbert part much better. He delivered it well but it felt extremely prerecorded.

Those are my complaints about the episode. It is so hard to paint with broad strokes like that with this show.

No episode will ever bum me out like Scott's Tot's did, so this was just a fun, silly episode I thought. Not the best, not the worst.
 

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So, in addition to Craig Robinson (Daryl), Brian Baumgartner (Kevin) is also getting his own show. Odd... I really can't see this guy carrying a series.
The Office co-star Brian Baumgartner is staying in business with the series’ boss Greg Daniels. Daniels is executive producing a new new single-camera comedy to star the original Office cast member, which has landed at ABC. It will be written by Harris Wittels, supervising producer on Daniels’ other NBC series, Parks And Recreation. The untitled half-hour centers on Norman (Baumgartner), a mid-level airline executive who fights to experience winning again… At anything. Universal TV and Daniels’ studio-based Deedle Dee Prods are producing, with Wittels, Baumgartner, Deedle Dee’s Daniels and Tracy Katsky and 3 Arts’ Howard Klein, Dave Becky and Tom Lassally executive producing.

http://www.deadline.com/2012/10/the...-abc-comedy-from-greg-daniels-harris-wittels/
 
Scott's Tots was the worst episode of the series. Any talk of this being the worst is stupid hyperbole, and this sort of talk comes up on IMDB after every episode in the show's run. I expect more from here.

its actually not hyperbole for me.. i would easily put this in the top 5 worst episodes in the series

not only did i not laugh once but it was actively annoying to watch

contrarily i liked scott's tots.. anytime michael and erin were together was great
 
I'm all for awkward humor, but Scott's Tots actively made me uncomfortable.
It was us getting rammed over the head with what a sad affair his life turned out to be. Like the audience didn't already 'get it'.
I like darker episodes like 'Dinner Party' a ton but 'Scott's Tots' was just... unnecessary.
 

VanWinkle

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I'm all for awkward humor, but Scott's Tots actively made me uncomfortable.

Exactly this. I love the awkward humor the show used to have, but that was just...too much. I can't even watch it again.

Last night's episode wasn't horrible. The cold open was really bad, and the Stephen Colbert being on a webcam with clearly a green screen was horrifyingly bad and disappointing, but the rest of decent enough. LOVED the Creed part.
 
Just rewatched it and I found it to be an important one for Dwight. Classic Dwight in many ways, him blundering around with a hare-lip-augmented pig nose trying to identify the maniac... great. Finding something in Nellie again- at least an ally, and maybe someone with whom to gain his sexual confidence back. I liked it a lot.
 

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The Autumn Wind
Turd of an episode beyond the about 45 total seconds featuring Toby falling in rapt love with someone dressed as him.
Let's not forget Creed. We may only get him for a few seconds every episode, but he's the only consistently funny character anymore.
 

big ander

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Let's not forget Creed. We may only get him for a few seconds every episode, but he's the only consistently funny character anymore.

I'm glad he's not overly used. Anytime he's on is golden.

I dunno. In past season I'd agree, he was often the saving grace of an episode. But this season he has one Creed-ish line an episode that usually revolves around him possibly being a murderer. He gets a small moment to act weird every episode, but the way he acts weird isn't weird for Creed anymore, if that makes sense. Because they only take him in one direction. Remember when he was randomly growing mung beans in his desk and then was revealed to be in a band? That seems more varied, random, and funny to me than having one line where he basically implies he's a killer each episode.
 
I thought that was one of the worst, especially for a guy like Dwight who knows so much about farming. He just would have broken the pumpkin. It was so unbelievable that it wasn't funny to me at all.

I was just very amused by him having to live out his life with a pumpkin on his head. In particular, the scene of him in the break room.
 

Memles

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Scott's Tots was the worst episode of the series.

I still don't get this. Look, yes, the episode is uncomfortable to watch (which is part of the show's DNA, yes, but not my favorite part). And what Michael did was terrible, and something that the show's reality—even as stretched as it was at that point—couldn't really handle as an actual part of its long term narrative.

However, as a symbol for Michael's stunted growth, it's fucking perfect. The idea that Michael never once believed he wouldn't become a millionaire is exactly the kind of blind optimism—rather than delusion, as it's often characterized—we expect from the character, and his inability to tell them the truth speaks to his denial about his place in life (which at that point was trapped in the Dunder Mifflin financial crisis). It doesn't make sense that the students' parents would let him get away with it for so long (or actually count on it), nor did it make sense that he would never mention it (or have intense anxiety over it) at any point during the series' run up to that point, but it has a clear point. It says something about Michael as a character, which I think rescues it from this conversation.
 

FSLink

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I still don't get this. Look, yes, the episode is uncomfortable to watch (which is part of the show's DNA, yes, but not my favorite part). And what Michael did was terrible, and something that the show's reality—even as stretched as it was at that point—couldn't really handle as an actual part of its long term narrative.

However, as a symbol for Michael's stunted growth, it's fucking perfect. The idea that Michael never once believed he wouldn't become a millionaire is exactly the kind of blind optimism—rather than delusion, as it's often characterized—we expect from the character, and his inability to tell them the truth speaks to his denial about his place in life (which at that point was trapped in the Dunder Mifflin financial crisis). It doesn't make sense that the students' parents would let him get away with it for so long (or actually count on it), nor did it make sense that he would never mention it (or have intense anxiety over it) at any point during the series' run up to that point, but it has a clear point. It says something about Michael as a character, which I think rescues it from this conversation.

I do agree that the concept was nice, but like most things nowadays with The Office, the execution was awful.
 

Memles

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I do agree that the concept was nice, but like most things nowadays with The Office, the execution was awful.

But isn't that better than episodes that just do nothing, say nothing, and end up proving entirely forgettable? I'm not arguing it's great, but I do think we need to separate "Most Hated" from "Worst." I get hating the episode: I don't get objectively identifying it as the least valuable half-hour the show ever produced.
 
ughh, at this point im just going to be stubborn and finish the series off hoping that they accidentally give us a good episode.
 

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I just stepped back and realized Erin's been around since Season 5. Couldn't believe it.
 

strobogo

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This thing with Nellie and Andy is not good. It doesn't make her any more likable, but it takes all of the development that the Nard Dog has had in the past 3 seasons and rolling it back if not outright ruining it. It's really uncomfortable and mean with no humor at all.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
However, as a symbol for Michael's stunted growth, it's fucking perfect. The idea that Michael never once believed he wouldn't become a millionaire is exactly the kind of blind optimism—rather than delusion, as it's often characterized—we expect from the character, and his inability to tell them the truth speaks to his denial about his place in life (which at that point was trapped in the Dunder Mifflin financial crisis).

cf "Take Your Daughter To Work Day", where Michael is forced by the kids of his employees to frankly confront the fact that his life hasn't turned out the way he wanted it to, does so in a realistic way, and comes to an optimistic but realistic conclusion that although he is not married and has no children, he might still have a shot some day and in the mean time he can have the kind of family relationship he wants with his employees.

or "Grief Counseling", where Michael is forced by Ed Truck (and Bird Who Flew Into Window)'s deaths to acknowledge the fact that he worries he will die alone and that he hasn't made the impact he wants to make on the world, does so in a ... petulant but ultimately believable way, and comes to an optimistic but realistic conclusion that although he is alone, he is never really alone (thanks in part to Pam's observant eulogy for the bird)

or "Money", where Michael is forced by Jan's free-riding to evaluate his financial situation and take a second job as a telemarketer. Throughout the episode, Michael frankly examines how underwater he is financially, asking for gambling tips from Kevin or taking salary advances or at one point "declaring bankruptcy". In the end he tries to run away but ends up confessing his financial troubles to Jan, who makes it clear he can't run away from his financial problems. They come to an optimistic but realistic conclusion that although stuff is bad, they can manage it with some shared sacrifice.

So I think by the time we get to Scott's Tots, Michael's behaviour stretches credulity within even the show's very generous limits. Especially with respect to "Money". And I don't really think it offers us much insight or novelty on Michael that hadn't already been offered by these and other episodes beforehand. I don't expect development where characters learn from their every mistake, I think comedy does well with a reset button so it can explore the same things multiple times in different ways, but I don't think Scott's Tots is a positive contribution to the series.

Really I think Michael's characterization starts going downhill with Phyllis's Wedding and Dunder Mifflin Infinity. I guess if you accept the cartoonishness of those episodes as part of the show's DNA, Scott's Tots might be a good fit--a similar debate has been had about what The Simpsons did to Homer in the last few consistently praised seasons.
 

VanWinkle

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cf "Take Your Daughter To Work Day", where Michael is forced by the kids of his employees to frankly confront the fact that his life hasn't turned out the way he wanted it to, does so in a realistic way, and comes to an optimistic but realistic conclusion that although he is not married and has no children, he might still have a shot some day and in the mean time he can have the kind of family relationship he wants with his employees.

or "Grief Counseling", where Michael is forced by Ed Truck (and Bird Who Flew Into Window)'s deaths to acknowledge the fact that he worries he will die alone and that he hasn't made the impact he wants to make on the world, does so in a ... petulant but ultimately believable way, and comes to an optimistic but realistic conclusion that although he is alone, he is never really alone (thanks in part to Pam's observant eulogy for the bird)

or "Money", where Michael is forced by Jan's free-riding to evaluate his financial situation and take a second job as a telemarketer. Throughout the episode, Michael frankly examines how underwater he is financially, asking for gambling tips from Kevin or taking salary advances or at one point "declaring bankruptcy". In the end he tries to run away but ends up confessing his financial troubles to Jan, who makes it clear he can't run away from his financial problems. They come to an optimistic but realistic conclusion that although stuff is bad, they can manage it with some shared sacrifice.

So I think by the time we get to Scott's Tots, Michael's behaviour stretches credulity within even the show's very generous limits. Especially with respect to "Money". And I don't really think it offers us much insight or novelty on Michael that hadn't already been offered by these and other episodes beforehand. I don't expect development where characters learn from their every mistake, I think comedy does well with a reset button so it can explore the same things multiple times in different ways, but I don't think Scott's Tots is a positive contribution to the series.

Really I think Michael's characterization starts going downhill with Phyllis's Wedding and Dunder Mifflin Infinity. I guess if you accept the cartoonishness of those episodes as part of the show's DNA, Scott's Tots might be a good fit--a similar debate has been had about what The Simpsons did to Homer in the last few consistently praised seasons.

Beastly post. Phyllis's Wedding and Dunder Mifflin Infinity showed how Michael can be an unlikeable jerk, but it wasn't cringe-worthy and hard to watch. It wasn't in a "let's see how he lets down and disappoints an entire group of people he promised something years ago" way. It was still really funny and made me laugh throughout. The whole plot point on Scott's Tots was not funny at all. It showed a worse side of him in a serious way.
 

Jarnet87

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Very few Office episodes that I don't care to watch, Scott's Tots is one of them. Mostly for the extremely uncomfortable parts, but it's also just not very funny after the first 5 minutes or so (Stanley loling at Michael).

Mafia and Prince Family Paper are two other episodes I really dont care for. Don't think Mafia is all that funny, and Prince Family Paper has a very uncomfortable/sleezy feel to it.
 

Stumpokapow

listen to the mad man
Let's be honest, the worst episode of the series is "The Banker", because it's not 1994 anymore and we have Youtube and thus we don't need incredibly lazy clip shows ;p
 

J10

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Pam: You were in an acapella group?

Daryl: You went to CORNELL?!

I laughed out loud at that part. The Creed stuff made me smile, but not laugh. The callback to the bat episode with Meredith was cool too. Watching Pam explode on Jim was interesting. I didn't understand what the fuck was going on with Toby.
 

big ander

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Pam: You were in an acapella group?

Daryl: You went to CORNELL?!

I laughed out loud at that part. The Creed stuff made me smile, but not laugh. The callback to the bat episode with Meredith was cool too. Watching Pam explode on Jim was interesting. I didn't understand what the fuck was going on with Toby.
He creepily fell in love with Nellie dressed as Toby, and when she took the costume off the illusion was ruined
 

J10

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That seems kind of random, but OK.

Anybody else think Oscar fucking around with Angela's husband makes little sense? They didn't always get along, but it seems uncharacteristically douchey of Oscar to betray Angela like that.
 

Quick

Banned
That seems kind of random, but OK.

Anybody else think Oscar fucking around with Angela's husband makes little sense? They didn't always get along, but it seems uncharacteristically douchey of Oscar to betray Angela like that.

I find Oscar becoming more and more...openly gay? as the seasons went on. I don't want to say "flamboyant" because that's not the right term for it, I think.

This is the point where I just want to say, "I get it, Oscar is really gay."
 
That seems kind of random, but OK.

Anybody else think Oscar fucking around with Angela's husband makes little sense? They didn't always get along, but it seems uncharacteristically douchey of Oscar to betray Angela like that.

Yeah, it's weird.

Seems like the stories write the characters now instead of the characters writing the stories. Instead of "What would Andy do if this happened" we get "Here's an idea, how do we shove Andy into it even if it goes against his character?"
 

strobogo

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I don't know, Toby has been progressively weirder and creepier as season go by. I can buy that he'd be attracted to a woman dressed as him.
 

snoopen

Member
Hating the shit out of this season. Have been watching a few eps on tv of the older series.. mostly recently was near the end of s5 with the weightloss challenge and jim proposing to pam. nothing over the last season + This season has come close.
 
Scott's Tots

My god, Andy was so different. It was only version 2.0, not 4.0 that we are up to now (Andy is the Mitt Romney of the Office. Perhaps it was the long con to get people to vote for Obama?!) Also, I've kind of forgotten that Jim was co-manager. That sure went... nowhere, especially with his current frustrations with work. Also, remember when David Wallace really liked and trusted Jim? If Jim is frustrated, maybe he could have gone to David Wallace? Maybe they could have done something bigger, more final, with that whole thing? He wanted a higher job in the company, as indicated by co-manager and his applying to the job in New York, so why not now and instead of the stupid "sports bar" nonsense?

Michael always wanted kids; he wanted to have a baby with Jan and others. I think in some way Scott's Tots is the ultimate conclusion of that arc for him. He's so desperate for children, he adopts the future of an entire classroom. But, it doesn't quite work out because we see the messy results. It is a fine idea, but seeing it play out, it is just uncomfortable, and by this point in the series, all the way into the middle of the sixth season, they can't return to the aborted first season's awkwardness. It also doesn't help that there are racial undertones.

At home, the Dwight scheming is more mean spirited than funny. Compare his "winning" over Jim with the snowball fight, and Jim's 'Nam-style freakout. I'm not saying that was a great payoff, but it at least was laid in humor. And then, the easy, logical out for Jim, which he should have thought of, is just to say "listen, there was obviously a mistake. I can't be in the running for employee of the month, and neither can Pam". This is one of those situations where there is an easy fix, but no one does it.

Dwight's impersonations of other office members when calling Wallace are kind of fun and spot-on.

I guess part of this problem is that it came right in the middle of an awful string of lousy episodes. Mafia was bad. Murder had a lot of fun (Pam is a hoot in it). But then there's Koi Pond, Double Date, Shareholder's Meeting, and the beginning of the Sabre nonsense.

Even after Dwight's scheming, Wallace still likes Jim. Since the (one episode) return of Wallace, I wish the building of Jim and Pam's departure was something involving Wallace. It just ignores the history of the show.

I don't know if I consider this the worst episode, but it is a bad episode. I'll try to rematch some of the other crappers people listed and give thoughts.


The Banker

The entire cold open was just a monologue from Michael. I can't remember the last time they did a simple opening like that. Michael really could hold a show all by himself. Could they do a cold opening with just Jim, or Dwight? I don't know. Since Michael's departure, has the show ever done a cold opening be just a monologue?

And, Pam is still a salesperson in the series. Why? She took on the other job within the Office to get more money (I forget the position, but it was basically "secretary"). She is a bad salesperson as indicated numerous times. Why is she still doing it? She wasn't happy doing it. Yet, Jim gets to feel frustrated. Maybe because they already wasted the Pam art school arc?

Yeah, the episode is a clip show, but it is at least a clip show in the vain of the great Simpsons April Fools clip show. Perhaps the biggest problem is a lot of these great moments don't work out of context. Meridith getting hit by the car isn't really funny, but the entire episode is. Andy punching the wall was never funny, and going back to the first season where Michael acts like a stereotypical Indian women and gets slapped still isn't funny either.

I made it 10 minutes into the episode before stopping. There's no real point to commenting on a clip show. It is like arguing about what fast food hamburger is better; crap is crap, and it doesn't matter who's crap is slightly better.

On to Mafia...

Mafia:

I love the Toby/Michael interactions, and I think Toby is the only character batting 1000 on the show, so the cold opening where Toby just knows when to walk out works for me.

The salesman, from Dumb and Dumber, isn't ever funny. I don't get him. I don't get his humor, just as I don't get Ed Helms (he's never been funny, in anything: Cedar Rapids, the Hangover, The Office... he skipped the part where he is funny and went right into bland milquetoast Steve Carrel in "Dan in Real Life").

And then, there's a big leap from Dwight and Andy that the guy is in the Mafia. What? Why? And without Jim and Pam, the office must rely on the lesser character. Only Oscar holds down the fort (since Toby is "checked out". Another great Toby gag). But, then there's also this thought; Oscar is the only other sane character in the office other than Jim and Pam: why are't they better friends?

I know this episode came before Scott's Tots where I said this was Andy 2.0, but it really is Andy 2.5, where he's still nice, but also a Dwight clone. Remember when Andy was Dwight Jr.?

Showing up at the meeting with the insurance guy as an auto mechanic? Andy, that isn't funny. Bringing a roach motel from the bathroom to the table? Not funny, Dwight. Having Jim and Pam's credit card stolen? Uhh... why is this funny? Even the credit card lady makes no sense.

The Michael "gabagool" thing is kind of funny. As is Kevin thinking Oscar would love jail.

Cutting out Jim's advice to Michael is dumb.

Where they expecting Oscar to become more famous? Making him a sane character just seemed like the potential to have him rise in the office. Instead, we get the stupid gay Senator jokes. Excuse me, "state senator".

I think the two Toby jokes were the only times I laughed. I smiled at the gabagool line, as well as the Kevin/Oscar jail joke. What a boring episode. What a bland episode. What a waste of an episode. So far, out of the ones mentioned, this is the worst.

(And, considering all of the episodes listed so far are from the sixth season, is this the worst season? I think so).


Dinner party:

Silly, goofy, Michael Scott opening where she finally outsmarts Jim. It is such a classic Michael opening. I love it.

Oh yeah, the Andy/Angela relationship....

Sigh.

More than any other episode, this feels the most like a "documentary" episode. The insult of Jan "this will make a great cooking wine" is nicely subtle for those that no nothing of wine. The "babe" stuff is also wonderfully grating. I think if there is any real ugliness to this episode, it is the character reversal of Jan's character.

Michael sleeping on the tiny bench in front of the bed is a bad joke. No excuse for that lame joke.

Jan hitting on Jim is great, and Jan's jealousness of Pam is great. If anything it shows the utter incompetence of Jan outside of her career in corporate culture, which then explains her normal attitude in the later episode where Michael thinks he has a STD and contacts anyone.

Jim looked YOUNG. And, "oaky afterbirth" is such a great joke.

I understand why people could hate this episode; is this the first episode where they took everyone out of the office for the entire show? Also, Michael/Jan are amped up to 11, while everyone else is at a 7. But, the craziness of the breakup, after four seasons, sort of works. If anything, it makes the STD episode worse considering their history. What was that episode? MAybe that was the worst (probably not).

Pam is so adorable. I love her. I love how everyone is kind of ganging up on her. Even Jim tries to ditch her.

I think this episode mixes the uncomfortable and goofiness of the Office just fine. Even the Saint Pauli Girl is a great touch.

And even the ending is somewhat sweet with Jim/Pam. It is just an underlining of how much they are meant for each other. I love it.
 

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The Farm will never see the light of day.

Rainn Wilson on Twitter said:
Farm Update: NBC has passed on moving forward with The Farm TV show. Had a blast making the pilot - onwards & upwards!
 

BFIB

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I noticed on the Halloween episode, Dwight for the first time mentioned having numerous family members to watch out for.

I always thought it was just him and Moes on the farm. Not that it matters now, that the Farm is cancelled, thank god.
 

Davey Cakes

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I have to say, The Farm never really sounded promising so I'm glad they're not going through with it.

Just let The Office end. It really needs to, and we really don't need to see any more of it or its characters after Season 9.
 

someday

Banned
I have to say, The Farm never really sounded promising so I'm glad they're not going through with it.

Just let The Office end. It really needs to, and we really don't need to see any more of it or its characters after Season 9.

Sadly, I agree with this 100%.
 

big ander

Member
The Farm will never see the light of day.

On one hand: I wonder if that awkward mid-season timing of the possible pick-up messed up the schedule of anyone on the staff for it. I hope not, because then cancellation would really screw them over.

On the other: fuck yes. Really did not want this to happen. Rainn Wilson can be super funny but Dwight is practically twice dead as a character, there's no way anything interesting could happen with him. A move on to other things could be interesting for Wilson.
 
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