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The Official Bionic Commando Thread
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HorribleJames
Banned
you fall into water that looks to be about 7 or 8 foot deep and if you don't get out in 4 seconds, you die. even with his iron boots he should be able to walk a few feet at the bottom until he can bionic arm outta there.
Buckethead
Banned
Retro outfit.....how do you get it?
eso76
Member
Teknoman said:
yes, i am sure a good game designer would have made it much longer so that you could enjoy having to witness Spencer hopelessly sink for entire minutes, with nothing you can do to save him.
The game gives you the time to look around for grappling spots (which is the only thing that can save you) while drowning, after which forcing you to wait for an inevitable death would just be silly,
edit: of course, giving you almost insta death when you accidentally walk into a 2 meters deep water puddle is silly too
HorribleJames
Banned
I've died many times just trying to hook my way out, because the camera is under water, you can't really see where you're hooking or if you're hooking it. it's silly.
the game doesn't coddle players. most modern games don't let you die to silly little crap over and over. in bionic commando, you will. sometimes repeatedly. long series of jumps where if you mess up you fall into shallow water and die for some reason? and most players can and will mess up repeatedly? or maybe you have a part down but you die and have to start way back, then you keep accidently dying on the part you already had mastered, or thought you had mastered. just random tormenting of the player like that. that's old school. not everyone likes that MO, which is why I agree with the review I read that says bionic commando is sure to divide people into loving it or hating it.
the game doesn't coddle players. most modern games don't let you die to silly little crap over and over. in bionic commando, you will. sometimes repeatedly. long series of jumps where if you mess up you fall into shallow water and die for some reason? and most players can and will mess up repeatedly? or maybe you have a part down but you die and have to start way back, then you keep accidently dying on the part you already had mastered, or thought you had mastered. just random tormenting of the player like that. that's old school. not everyone likes that MO, which is why I agree with the review I read that says bionic commando is sure to divide people into loving it or hating it.
badrockjones
Member
Beat it this morning. Focusing on multiplayer now, which to me is where the real game is anyway. Overall I enjoyed it but wish it was a bit longer and a bit less
anticlimactic.
I wish I hadn't gotten this game. It's a total letdown. Swinging mechanics are great, and combat's decent. Everything else is sub-par or downright atrocious. Their design choices regarding checkpoints and collectibles are mindbogglingly nonsensical. The illusion of free roaming is just that, an illusion, with environments where getting off path result in a game over screen. If you're considering getting the game, my advice to you is to rent it first.
It's a real pity though, as the mechanics are there for the game to be great.
It's a real pity though, as the mechanics are there for the game to be great.
Dr. Zoidberg
Member
I'm really enjoying this game a lot.
To be honest I am a huge BC fan, so take that into account, but I'm really having a blast with the game. The swinging mechanics are really fun and are about the best I could hope for in 3D. I'm enjoying the combat and the rest of the game as well.
Yeah, there are a few annoying gameplay problems, and I'm not saying the game is for everybody, but nothing has bothered me that much and overall I'm enjoying myself a great deal.
To be honest I am a huge BC fan, so take that into account, but I'm really having a blast with the game. The swinging mechanics are really fun and are about the best I could hope for in 3D. I'm enjoying the combat and the rest of the game as well.
Yeah, there are a few annoying gameplay problems, and I'm not saying the game is for everybody, but nothing has bothered me that much and overall I'm enjoying myself a great deal.
i think its good, its a shame because it could have been great but its not polished enough.
some of the more open areas are really cool
its just occasionally you randomly die because of some stupidly positioned radiation. it even killed me once because one of the collectibles was in the radiation.. overall though it doesnt ruin the game for me.
some of the more open areas are really cool
its just occasionally you randomly die because of some stupidly positioned radiation. it even killed me once because one of the collectibles was in the radiation.. overall though it doesnt ruin the game for me.
I really enjoyed this game a lot. I was huge fan of the original and ReArmed. The radiation really is a complete non issue after the first area. The swinging is so much fun that I would just swing around most levels for the hell of it, even after I dispatched the area enemies.
I cant understand how anyone can say the game has bad graphics after the park level. I just dont get peoples expectations anymore it's ridiculous.
I cant understand how anyone can say the game has bad graphics after the park level. I just dont get peoples expectations anymore it's ridiculous.
*Looks at avatar* :lol And you're complaining about a game with good mechanics and bad game decisions.IJoel said:
As someone else already said, this was never supposed to be an open world game. And where are these complaints coming from anyway? I just got to the park area and my god, it's so beautiful and there are so many ways to take on the enemies. Judging by people like you, I'd venture to guess you couldn't move more than five feet in either direction. There is so much open space in this game, allowing you to take on encounters as you see fit. I applaud GRIN for doing such a great job.
There are some problems, but I'm really loving what GRIN has done. It has that old school Bionic Commando feel with the difficulty to accompany it and it's a shitload of fun.
MyEpitomeCliché
Member
Glad I rented this. I've only played for about an hour or so, but I'm just not feeling the combat or swinging mechanics at all thus far. The visuals and audio departments leave a lot to be desired as well. Shame, because I really loved BC: Rearmed. Also, when do you get the Purple Matrix and Prototype weapon?
Zen said:
I know the game wasn't meant to be a 'free roamer', but the swinging mechanics can give an illusion of freedom that's later crushed once death happens. Frankly I wouldn't have cared if they just designed the area such that they limited movement towards a specific path. But they actively discourage exploration by killing the player once it moves to a perfectly reachable area that's off their pre-determined path. And then any collectible gathered since the last checkpoint is taken away. The collectibles are also a strange design choice. On one hand they discourage off-path exploration with the radiation areas, and on the other they place some of these collectibles in such areas. As I said, it seems to me pretty non-sensical. There are much better, and frankly, obvious ways to handle size limitations (this is the only reason I can think they do this for) than punishing the player.
I figure this is one of those either love or hate games.
The original Bionic Commando wasn't a free roam game. It was linear. Therefore, logically, one would guess its sequel would be linear in a similar fashion. I don't see how this is punishing the player. The radiation isn't instant kill. I've had plenty of times where I've wandered into radiation areas and have been warned, but haven't been killed. It's not as big of a deal as you're making it out to be.
Azure Dream
Member
Llyranor said:
This isn't even close to the same thing. The current BC lets you live in water for a few seconds even, I've grappled out every time so far without issue, so it's not meant to be instant kill to begin with. The radiation is worse because it can be virtually anywhere they don't want you to go, it's not always an obvious blue cloud.
But it's not that bad, it's just a little too unobvious and annoying early on.
WickedLaharl
Member
man i went into this with really low expectations after the disappointing mp demo and i still find the game to rather bad.
the shitty checkpoints, crappy gunplay, and fucking horrible environmental limiters drag any decent parts of this game way down.
glad i didn't buy it.
the shitty checkpoints, crappy gunplay, and fucking horrible environmental limiters drag any decent parts of this game way down.
glad i didn't buy it.
IJoel said:
I completely agree with this. I've gotten to the point where I just completely ignore the collectibles. I understand that most of them are difficult to get by design, and that would be fine if they didn't require you to get to the next checkpoint for them to count. Why would I risk all of the progress I've made and all of the upgrades I've earned since the last checkpoint just for a chance at unlocking some concept art? Throw in the punishing spacing of the checkpoints and the baffling decision to disable challenges, Achievements and collectibles during level select, and you have a game designed around needless frustration. Why the level select is handled the way it is just makes no sense to me.
There's a lot about this game that I really like, but some of the choices Grin made resulted in a good game that could have easily been great. The "old school/hardcore" angle they're using to justify these decisions is nonsense - it's manufactured difficulty for difficulty's sake.
affableamerican
Member
Omg... so much frustration with this so far, but dammit, the grapple mechanic is finally starting to feel really good now. Took way too long to get the timing down for the vine swinging, and I keep feeling like there is super spotty lock-on for the arm. Especially with the shield mech guys. Hence my current frustration:
So, I just got the
skill, and I'm still inside the warehouse, fighting the
that is right before the
. I somehow got him to a state where I could lob crates on him and hurt him, but then died in the
. Now I can't kill him for shit. Am I missing some trick to getting him to turn off his shield so I can sweetly pound him with crates from afar?
So, I just got the
heavy punch
shield mech
2nd wall that you pound through
goddam water outside
I'm basically just power dropping on him from the ledge/floor above, Crackdown-style, but this takes forever, as I cannot get my arm to lock on his weak-point so I can zip line his ass for massive damage.
The check points are the waypoints right? They really dont seem that far apart.
Just keep circling it. Shield mechs are really easy. Just lure em into propping up their shield and then circle around back. Zip kick in succession, and you've got a dead mech. Just hold the lock on button when you know you want to grapple something instead of waiting for the reticle to activate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2e_dcsGvT0
Watch, skip towards the end and you'll see what im talking about.
affableamerican said:
Just keep circling it. Shield mechs are really easy. Just lure em into propping up their shield and then circle around back. Zip kick in succession, and you've got a dead mech. Just hold the lock on button when you know you want to grapple something instead of waiting for the reticle to activate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2e_dcsGvT0
Watch, skip towards the end and you'll see what im talking about.
rollingstart
Banned
alright game with an absolutely hilarious story
the ending :lol
the ending :lol
chun li's thighs
Member
Linkzg said:
I was waiting for Spencer to just scream out "
ARM-ILY.....NNNNOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!
affableamerican
Member
Teknoman said:
That's a good tip. Thanks all!
gutter_trash
Banned
I finished it today, I enjoyed it
I only figured out the easy way to beat the flying BioMech Sweepers really late in the game
like Spider-Man PS1/DC, the game grew on me the more skilled I was getting with the swinging and overall mechanics
the final final boss was a disappointment when contrasted with the ReArned final boss.
But none the less, the game is mondo fun, there are moments of frustration but when you learn how to beat those moments, they get incredibly easier
Can't wait for a sequel
I only figured out the easy way to beat the flying BioMech Sweepers really late in the game
(shoot their hand when their are building up their blast then jumps grapple kick)
like Spider-Man PS1/DC, the game grew on me the more skilled I was getting with the swinging and overall mechanics
the final final boss was a disappointment when contrasted with the ReArned final boss.
But none the less, the game is mondo fun, there are moments of frustration but when you learn how to beat those moments, they get incredibly easier
Can't wait for a sequel
Rated-Rsuperstar
Member
Phthisis said:
Holy Shit. :lol I think I need to play this just to see the story.
affableamerican
Member
Did anyone else feel that the swinging mechanic took longer to get the hang of than the core mechanics of most games? I'm talking about learning to do things like timing when to detach, learning how far away a grab point can be before it's out of reach, identifying new grab points, etc. I'm still in the first few hours, but only just recently felt like I've gotten the hang of the controls.
I don't think the controls needed to be this challenging and, dare I say, unintuitive.
While the lack of an auto-lock while swinging allows me more freedom, it's also resulted in loads of dying
or just falling (yes, there were times when I would just traverse over the ground). I could get into core design issues, but anyone who has played the game knows what I'm talking about.
What do you guys think -- unnecessarily tough to learn or I'm a little bitch who should go back to PoP?
I don't think the controls needed to be this challenging and, dare I say, unintuitive.
While the lack of an auto-lock while swinging allows me more freedom, it's also resulted in loads of dying
(the water in that 2nd stage is just ... ass; so hard to get out of it once you fall in, camera seems stuck under water, bizarre that I can't swim, yet I stay floating a few feet under)
What do you guys think -- unnecessarily tough to learn or I'm a little bitch who should go back to PoP?
Buckethead
Banned
This game is awesome. I really, really like it.
Hopefully I can finish it up this week before UP the game comes out.
Holy shit who is in your avatar?
Hopefully I can finish it up this week before UP the game comes out.
chun li's thighs said:
Holy shit who is in your avatar?
Rated-Rsuperstar said:
If you like really, really bad stories, then I guess this will be... good?
I couldn't find much humor in it, sadly. The plot is a total mess that, for some reason, takes itself pretty damn seriously. Nothing about it is good.
I actually felt like Rearmed handled plot very competently, so seeing this thematic shift was pretty disappointing, even though Spencer's new character design should have indicated what was coming clearly enough.
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