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[h3ro]

Last year I think everyone secretly hoped for it. I still think banning of refueling is questionably a stupid thing to do.

As long as Felipe is on the grid, I'd prefer that there be no exchange of flammable liquids going on in the pits.

 

[S. L.]

Last year I think everyone secretly hoped for it. I still think banning of refueling is questionably a stupid thing to do.

i am all pro refueling, but i guess they wanted to see more direct racing. with refueling the strategies often only came together at the end of the race with less head to head racing. but without overtaking possibilities this is fairly boring imo.

the cost saving/security arguments are BS

 

[Articate]

As long as Felipe is on the grid, I'd prefer that there be no exchange of flammable liquids going on in the pits.

His preseason outcry of "THERE ARE TOO MANY BUTTONS" (in regards to the new adjustable rear wing) doesn't really help smarten up his image, no.

I still think Schumacher is right when he said that this rear-wing is all well and good in theory, but that grip should be more mechanical and less aerodynamic. Even lessen the grip totally.

i am all pro refueling, but i guess they wanted to see more direct racing. with refueling the strategies often only came together at the end of the race with less head to head racing. but without overtaking possibilities this is fairly boring imo

The only thing they did is to ensure that most people stay in the place they start. Before people would have different fuel loads and would be more different ontrack. Last year's races was mostly like an accordian slowly being pulled out. Schumacher is the man that springs to mind when it comes to running a different fuel load and/despite going through the pack like a pack of tictacs. Like in Hungary '98 when he was on a three stopper while Mika and David infront were on two-stop stratergy. Awesome race.

 

[S. L.]

The only thing they did is to ensure that most people stay in the place they start. Before people would have different fuel loads and would be more different ontrack. Last year's races was mostly like an accordian slowly being pulled out. Schumacher is the man that springs to mind when it comes to running a different fuel load and/despite going through the pack like a pack of tictacs. Like in Hungary '98 when he was on a three stopper while Mika and David infront were on two-stop stratergy. Awesome race.

yeah, pitstops used to be exciting, when you would speculate how much they'd fuel a car and teams changing their strategies mid race.
without refueling the whole race strategy part got dumbed down a notch :/

 

[a176]

refueling and strategic pit stops becomes pointless if the cars are so wildly fast that the top teams can easily gain the required buffer time to complete their pit stop and be on their way with no change in position. no to mention retarded team orders coming into play forcing one driver to take another pit stop over another (not that it couldnt happen in the current scheme).

if you really want to see good racing, F1 needs to eliminate the advantages of multibillion dollar aero packages or get better tracks. take a guess which of those problems are easier to solve?

 

[Dead Man]

i am all pro refueling, but i guess they wanted to see more direct racing. with refueling the strategies often only came together at the end of the race with less head to head racing. but without overtaking possibilities this is fairly boring imo.

the cost saving/security arguments are BS

Yeah, but then they mandated pit stops anyway.

 

[Dilly]

Reports are popping up that Kubica crashed in a rally race and has several fractures, but I can't find confirmation.

I really hope it isn't as bad as some of those reports make it out to be.

 

[DieH@rd]

Reports are popping up that Kubica crashed in a rally race and has several fractures, but I can't find confirmation.

I really hope it isn't as bad as some of those reports make it out to be.

More info is needed asap!

 

[DieH@rd]

http://www.thenews.pl/sport/artykul148796_kubica-in-hospital-after-rally-accident.html

Formula 1’s Robert Kubica has been taken to hospital after what is being described as a “serious accident” in the first stage of the Ronde di Andora car rally this morning.

The accident occurred at around 09.00 CET, Sunday, according to media reports.

Kubica was driving a Skoda Fabia S2000 and is thought to have suffered fractures and other injuries, reports Savonanews.it, when his car hit a barrier on the driver’s side.

The Pole, who races for Renault in the F1 championships, was taken to hospital in the Italian province of Savona by helicopter after being cut from the car wreckage.

Co-driver James Gerber is said to have emerged unscathed from the accident, however.

Details of Kubica's condition remain unclear though the f1.pl web site quotes Robert's father as saying his injuries "look ugly".

The accident appears to threaten Kubia's F1 grand prix season, which starts on 13 March in Bahrain.

 

[Dead Man]

Hope he's okay.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Reports are popping up that Kubica crashed in a rally race and has several fractures, but I can't find confirmation.

I really hope it isn't as bad as some of those reports make it out to be.

Aye, I've seen varying reports as well. They all seem to agree that he had to be extracted from the car and was airlifted to hospital, but reported injuries vary from fractured wrists to a broken leg and hip.

At this point, whatever the outcome, it would seem that he's going to miss next week's test at least.

 

[Aegus]

Co-driver has apparently said it's a broken leg.

So Renault are Petrov and Senna for this year? Christ.

 

[Dead Man]

Co-driver has apparently said it's a broken leg.

So Renault are Petrov and Senna for this year? Christ.

Ugh, hope he can stage a Webber and get back in the car in a couple months, at least drive part of the season.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Co-driver has apparently said it's a broken leg.

So Renault are Petrov and Senna for this year? Christ.

Pretty sure Grosjean is the designated 3rd driver for Renault, ahead of Senna and Fauzy. Wouldn't be surprised if Weber is already on the phone to them about Hulkenberg though.

 

[Dilly]

Oh for fuck sake. Screw this year.

 

[DieH@rd]

So Renault are Petrov and Senna for this year? Christ.

Im gonna hope that Renault will hire Iceman really fast...

 

[Dash Kappei]

Last report 1m ago from Sky Sport 24 Italia, the accident was in Savona, there's an high risk Kubica will lose his right hand.

No, ffs, no.

 

[Aegus]

Pretty sure Grosjean is the designated 3rd driver for Renault, ahead of Senna and Fauzy. Wouldn't be surprised if Weber is already on the phone to them about Hulkenberg though.

Doubt it. Grosjean has GP2 commitments this year.

Although I think they'll have both testing in the upcoming tests and decide from there.

 

[Dilly]

No, don't let that be true. C'mon.

 

[Dead Man]

Last report 1m ago from Sky Sport 24 Italia, the accident was in Savona, there's an high risk Kubica will lose his right hand.

No, ffs, no.

No. Just fucking no.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Doubt it. Grosjean has GP2 commitments this year.

Although I think they'll have both testing in the upcoming tests and decide from there.

I'm pretty sure, given the chance to race an apparently competitive F1 car for at least a few races would be above another season of GP2 on his priorities.

 

[DieH@rd]

Last report 1m ago from Sky Sport 24 Italia, the accident was in Savona, there's an high risk Kubica will lose his right hand.

No, ffs, no.

 

[Aegus]

I'm pretty sure, given the chance to race an apparently competitive F1 car for at least a few races would be above another season of GP2 on his priorities.

He'll do what he's told. Of course he'll be fighting for a drive, but like I said it'll be a straight pace contest between the two in testing probably.

 

[Dilly]

Goddamnit, I need to know what he has. Can't bear the thought that he's going to lose his right hand.

 

[Deadman]

Thats horrible, i hope hes ok.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Pretty sure Grosjean is the designated 3rd driver for Renault, ahead of Senna and Fauzy. Wouldn't be surprised if Weber is already on the phone to them about Hulkenberg though.

Well colour me corrected: eddstrawF1 If (and we don't know if this is the case) Kubica were to miss any races, Bruno Senna is Renault's first choice reserve driver

And i wouldn't read much into that Sky report, they always tend to be ridiculously sensationalist with initial reports.

 

[Mush]

FUUUUUUUUUU

 

[bbyybb]

I really hope that it isn't too serious for Kubica, but the early reports do not sound very good for him.

 

[Dash Kappei]

Well colour me corrected: eddstrawF1 If (and we don't know if this is the case) Kubica were to miss any races, Bruno Senna is Renault's first choice reserve driver

And i wouldn't read much into that Sky report, they always tend to be ridiculously sensationalist with initial reports.

I hope you're right.
But Sky Italia and especially Sky Sport news are nothing like Sky US/UK.
They're definitely not on the sensationalist side and VERY reliable, always been in the past.
Note that there's a difference between "he has lost his hand" and "there's an high risk involved that".

 

[megateto]

http://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/Formula1/06-02-2011/incidente-un-rally-8057234170.shtml

It seems that we'll have to wait until one and a half hours for the next medical report.

Edit: I took out wrong information, sorry.

 

[Lucius86]

Either way, this really sounds fuck awful and I wish him all the best for a quick and healthy recovery.

Come on Kubica

EDIT: BBC are saying fractures to left arm and leg.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Note that there's a difference between "he has lost his hand" and "there's an high risk involved that".

The difference being that the commercial entity can say what they like to pull in viewers/readers and then nonchalantly flush that part away when an accurate report comes in. Saying there's a 'high risk' of something is just a typically non-committal way to report bullshit.

 

[Dash Kappei]

http://www.gazzetta.it/Motori/Formula1/06-02-2011/incidente-un-rally-8057234170.shtml

It seems that we'll have to wait until one and a half hours for the next medical report.

Edit: I took out wrong information, sorry.

First medical report will be at 2pm local time, 1pm GMT.
Gazzetta reports the same thing about his hand, and that's so fucked up... I would feel awful for anybody, but Robert is such a sweet nice guy and that makes it even worse because I've always respected him as a man.

 

[Dash Kappei]

The difference being that the commercial entity can say what they like to pull in viewers/readers and then nonchalantly flush that part away when an accurate report comes in. Saying there's a 'high risk' of something is just a typically non-committal way to report bullshit.

Sky Sport is a pay-per-view, so your argument is automatically debunked. Too many people are keen to jump to conclusions when speaking about something they don't know about, but I guess you're a Sky Sport Italia subscriber? And again, they're not your typical Murdoch, Fox or UK Daily/Sun/whatever garbage.
Gazzetta dello Sport reports the same, are they unreliable too? Do you know what GDS is?
And why the fuck are we even talking about this? Multiple sources and outlets are reporting it, should we just not post about it? Or argue semantics?

 

[bbyybb]

Pictures of the accident (from autosport forum).

http://www.flickr.com/photos/lorcarg/sets/72157625987569490/detail/

 

[deim0s]

I was looking forward to his performance this season. Hope he could recuperate soon and drive sometime this season.

 

[Dead Man]

Either way, this really sounds fuck awful and I wish him all the best for a quick and healthy recovery.

Come on Kubica

EDIT: BBC are saying fractures to left arm and leg.

Never found myself in the position of wishing a guy has a broken left arm and leg rather than a broken right wrist.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Ok, you're fucking dumb confirmed.

I'd wait to see if Kubica was even close to losing his right hand before making that claim.

 

[Dash Kappei]

I'd wait to see if Kubica was even close to losing his right hand before making that claim.

That doesn't have anything to do with it, you should read again.
But by any means I apologize for the "dumb" comment, as you can see you caught it a second before my edit.

Edit:
Oh, you said "close to".
Then we already know that it's close to that unfortunately, the TAC he had in San Lorenzo reported severe injuries to his right hand. Luckily at least he was never unconsciuos and his life's not at risk.

 

[navanman]

Well this is fucking shitty news to wake up to on a Sunday. I hope that the reported injuries aren't are serious as being talked about here.

 

[Dash Kappei]

Well this is fucking shitty news to wake up to on a Sunday. I hope that the reported injuries aren't are serious as being talked about here.

We'll know in 50 minutes.
Say your prayers and fingers crossed, Robert's a great driver and a great man, I always wanted to see him at Ferrari, he deserved a big chance so this can't be happening.
C'mon Robert.

 

[Adam Scott Aukerman]

Oh, you said "close to".
Then we already know that it's close to that unfortunately, the TAC he had in San Lorenzo reported severe injuries to his right hand. Luckily at least he was never unconsciuos and his life's not at risk.

We absolutely don't. I could take a knife to my hand and stab the hell out of it, but at no point would I be certain to be 'close to' losing my hand. Sky's claim that there is a high risk of him losing his right hand implies that he has sustained damage to his right hand so extreme that it there's a high chance that it will have to be amputated.

 

[Dash Kappei]

We absolutely don't. I could take a knife to my hand and stab the hell out of it, but at no point would I be certain to be 'close to' losing my hand. Sky's claim that there is a high risk of him losing his right hand implies that he has sustained damage to his right hand so extreme that it there's a high chance that it will have to be amputated.

I don't know why you keep focusing on Sky, when we have multiple on-site reports saying so.
And btw, you can lose your hand functions without having it amputated.

 

[Caramello]

WTF not Kubica!!

 

[Dead Man]

Why are you guys arguing over such rubbish? We'll wait and see, and then if any of the news services have been sensationalising things we can mock them then.

 

[navanman]

Kubica on stretcher pic

More pics around I would rather not post. He looks to have gotten a knock on his eye also.

 

[Dilly]

I feel terrible.

 

[Lucius86]

I feel terrible.

Yeah, this is not cool and something I wanted to read when I woke up.

 

[navanman]

 

[Dash Kappei]

I'd prefer if only links of such pics were posted, I didn't need to see that honestly.