SundaySounds
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Red Scarlet said:
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The Official Left 4 Dead Thread
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RocketDarkness
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I'll grab 'em, may not be online when you are to test them, though.
Red Scarlet
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He went to sleep, so he wants to try it tomorrow.
marvelharvey
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Indeed, it's quite an awful finale. Hopefully Valve can fix it by either bringing the invisible wall much closer to the house or by placing some rocks/boat wrecks out in the water for the infected to spawn behind. Otherwise, DT5 will remain just a pointless waste of everyone's time.Majora said:
Red Scarlet
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I can't remember if we did two or three maps of it. It ended in some safe room above water where we had to jump on some circle platforms and stuff.
Red Scarlet
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Ah, Ezekial sounded like they had completed a couple more maps recently. Darn.
Red Scarlet said:
Yay bugged map.
In other news one of my clan-mates should finish his Survival map later today, I bug-tested it yesterday and it's pretty damn awesome, he really spent a lot of time on the details.
Preview: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=McDiKi-ScnE&feature=channel_page
syllogism said:
They supposedly nerfed the autoshotgun against tanks in VS mode. If the autoshotgun is still the best, then it seriously needs nerfed more.
I personally love the hunting rifle because I'm a sniping noob and I like the laidback style of trying to shoot things with it. Plus it's fun because everyone your team will yell at you and tell you to use a different weapon, and play for serious. And every once in a while it's really fun when you easily kill a smoker pulling your teammate towards an alarmed car right before a saferoom and help everyone escape.
SundaySounds
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I normally just got with the shotgun 100%, unless I know there's a tank coming, then I grab either the auto rifles or the hunting rifle.
But lately I've been using the Uzi and Assault Rifle more often.
But lately I've been using the Uzi and Assault Rifle more often.
Prime crotch
Banned
Is there a point to the hunting rifle? Doesn't seem as powerful as the shotty, not nearly as good rate of fire as the assault rifle, at most it has a better reloading time than the shotty.
For some reason, I like uzis better for when mowing down the horde.
For some reason, I like uzis better for when mowing down the horde.
I started off playing the game with automatics but these days I prefer the hunting rifle. I use the shotgun if I'm going to be in situations where the rifle wouldn't be very effective.
It's weaker than the shotty up close but is far better for anything at medium to long range, so it's good for picking off special infected as well as for getting in a bunch of hits on incoming tanks.
It's more powerful than the assault rifle and its shots penetrate right through lines of zombies so you can often drop a whole horde with the help of your teammates with a handful of shots, whereas you'd likely need to blow a clip or two if you were using the assault rifle.
I find each hunting rifle shot to be roughly equivalent to a 3-4 round burst from the assault rifle, so that makes up for the rifle's smaller clip size. And because you're firing precise shots rather than spraying bullets, you run out of ammo overall far less quickly than if you were using an automatic of any sort. IMO the biggest drawbacks to the hunting rifle is its slow reload time and its relative inaccuracy if you have to shoot while moving.
It's weaker than the shotty up close but is far better for anything at medium to long range, so it's good for picking off special infected as well as for getting in a bunch of hits on incoming tanks.
It's more powerful than the assault rifle and its shots penetrate right through lines of zombies so you can often drop a whole horde with the help of your teammates with a handful of shots, whereas you'd likely need to blow a clip or two if you were using the assault rifle.
I find each hunting rifle shot to be roughly equivalent to a 3-4 round burst from the assault rifle, so that makes up for the rifle's smaller clip size. And because you're firing precise shots rather than spraying bullets, you run out of ammo overall far less quickly than if you were using an automatic of any sort. IMO the biggest drawbacks to the hunting rifle is its slow reload time and its relative inaccuracy if you have to shoot while moving.
It works best against clustered mobs and special infected at range. It has the greatest bullet penetration of any gun in the game, and so one user can decimate an entire horde crowd by himself if he places his shots well. It can be very useful in some spots on Survival maps, and it can also be very useful in campaign co-op.Prime crotch said:
Here's the pros and cons for the Hunting Rifle, basically.
Pros
- Highly effective against Special Infected at longer ranges
- Highly effective against hordes at medium-long ranges
- Quick response against a Hunter pounce on a friend at medium-long range
- Pinpoint accuracy when crouched
- Most damage dealt against Tank with smallest risk
- Highest damage dealt per bullet against Special Infected
Cons
- Somewhat ineffective against Special Infected at close ranges
- Somewhat ineffective against hordes at close ranges
- Slow response against a Hunter pounce on a friend at close ranges
- Unreliable accuracy when moving
- Becomes a liability when you've been hit with boomer vomit
- Slowish rate of fire
I love the Hunting Rifle, especially in Expert. To cover the cons Botolf posted, just carry dual pistols, it should at least deal with hordes from nearby. When I play on expert, and I'm the only one with the Hunting Rifle, I usually have 2~3x more kills on both common and special infected than everyone else. 
PillowKnight
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You missed the biggest con and the main reason it's useless in normal play; it's absolute shit against tanks.Botolf said:
Red Scarlet
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I don't think Pop and I ever got around to doing 4 Snipers on Expert.
PillowKnight
Member
The next time you fight a tank versus a good team, use a hunting rifle. It'll be a neat experiment.Botolf said:
I honestly doubt you'll be able to stay at "good range" or spit free, or standing still long enough to deal any sort of damage.
I have tried it in the past, seems viable (albeit situational) as far as I can tell. Autoshotguns and M16s are better in more situations, but Hunting Rifles can be very useful against an evasive rock-chucking tank that slips from cover to cover. Why don't you try it, mister?PillowKnight said:
PillowKnight
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I have, and every time it ended in doom. Like this one time where I unloaded a full clip into a tank from long range and he just shrugged it off. Worse off, when he actually got to me, I was useless and was forced to run around like a headless chicken, completely unable to kill either zombies or tanks or anything.Botolf said:I have tried it in the past, seems viable (albeit situational) as far as I can tell. Autoshotguns and M16s are better in more situations, but Hunting Rifles can be very useful against an evasive rock-chucking tank that slips from cover to cover. Why don't you try it, mister?
Against t2 weapons the evasive "rock throwing tank" will be behind cover, ie he can hit you and you won't be able to hit him. And of course, the assualt rifle does the safe job without leaving you defenseless versus close range tank attacks.
No gun will take the tank down in a single clip anyway, that's not the point. The point is that in the situation where a Tank is frequently behind cover chucking rocks, the M16 can help a little bit, but its spread proves to be ultimately too wide in most cases (spraying trees and ground, etc) and doesn't have the penetration of the Hunting Rifle. If you can place shots, you punish an evasive Tank as he moves at longer ranges. And as somebody else said earlier, dual pistols are more than adequate to fend off nearby zombies.PillowKnight said:
PillowKnight
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Just cause you can shoot through stuff doesn't mean you'll hit. A tank standing behind a bus for example is not at all easy to hit even if you can penetrate,because you do not know it's exact location.rezuth said:
The point wasn't to "take the tank down in a single clip" it was to deal enough damage to justify being useless at close range, and in any sort of practical situation where you've got tank/zombies/specials mixed in, actually.
I'm not talking about only 'nearby zombies' i'm talking about the moments where the tank is giving chase, in any of those moments the person with the hunting rifle is useless.
This discussion is silly though. It's anecdote versus anecdotes, in every of my experiences the hunting rifle has been useless and has often led my teams to doom(when other people use them as well). You guys seem to think otherwise, and i'm asking you to prove it.
Red Scarlet
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Play an expert campaign with me and Pop, Pillow. We'll all use sniper rifles. It will be :lol .
RocketDarkness
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I'm totally down for that. Try to do it Thursday or later though, okay? >.>
As you said, it's all anecdotal. I haven't made films or anything like that to show it, but anecdotally, I've found that it can be useful in instances. I don't get in the Tank's way often (given the weapon, you gotta be even more evasive), so it's not something I have to compensate much for when I use the rifle. Dual pistols are a big help when you're crowded by a horde, especially if you're mindful of the pistols' headshot lethality.PillowKnight said:
Edit: If you guys need somebody for that sniper run, I'm ready and eager! Coop never gets old.
CrookedRain
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I can just imagine all the accidental headshots from teammates running in front of your scope. :lolRed Scarlet said:
Red Scarlet
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CrookedRain said:
But with Pillow it would be hilarious.
PillowKnight
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Worst part is, I think I was lttp in this game.Red Scarlet said:
Red Scarlet
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PillowKnight said:
Yeah I think you came in on the 3rd or 4th map.
I think Ez wants to try that Death Aboard map now, if 2 other people want to.
We survived the All-Hunting Rifle campaign! (Myself, Scarlet, Blizzard, and Daigoro)
It was tough, but we made the weapon work for us, shredding hordes of zombies and Tanks standing in our way. It was Dead Air on Expert, and we had our fair share of mishaps and accidents.
For my part, my nerves FUBAR'd two crowning attempts. Scarlet may or may not have filmed both attempts.
It was tough, but we made the weapon work for us, shredding hordes of zombies and Tanks standing in our way. It was Dead Air on Expert, and we had our fair share of mishaps and accidents.
For my part, my nerves FUBAR'd two crowning attempts. Scarlet may or may not have filmed both attempts.
SundaySounds
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nvm
So, we used the hunting rifle to try to kill tanks. I went idle in a saferoom with the door open, so I might not have gotten the achievement anyway (my what are you trying to prove got reset), but I died on the final after being the last man standing and reviving both Bulleta and Botolf.
I had 2 friendly fire incidents.
Botolf's new nickname is The Witcher, for his repeated attempts to destroy the whole team by suiciding on witches.
Two tanks on DA3 is crap. Especially when the second one is right before the safe room and you've played the map for like an hour and everyone is nearly dead. Also two witches on another map, since we skipped the first one...
I had 2 friendly fire incidents.
Botolf's new nickname is The Witcher, for his repeated attempts to destroy the whole team by suiciding on witches.
Two tanks on DA3 is crap. Especially when the second one is right before the safe room and you've played the map for like an hour and everyone is nearly dead. Also two witches on another map, since we skipped the first one...
Red Scarlet
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Botolf said:
"I got it, I got it, I got it!"
"I don't got it".
But at least the first time you shot your gun!
Well, it looks like you shot the same time she swiped.
Red Scarlet
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She like roundhouse uppercut him. :lol Super Macho Man style.
Wish I would've gotten the police car (didn't know it could be punched) being punched in my face and it flying over me and the Tank/zombie escape in the luggage conveyor belt room.
Wish I would've gotten the police car (didn't know it could be punched) being punched in my face and it flying over me and the Tank/zombie escape in the luggage conveyor belt room.