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The Official Pokemon Platinum Thread of Catching Them All (Again)
Here rate my new team
1. Hitmontop Lvl 42 EV trained in Defense & Attack
2.Pikachu (lightball) lvl 42 EV trained in Speed & Sp atk
3.Bibarel lvl 50 EV trained in HP & Defense
4. Seviper lvl 42 EV trained in Attack and Speed
5.Forretress lvl 42 EV trained in Defense and Sp Def
6. Slowbro lvl 50 EV trained Defense and HP
1. Hitmontop Lvl 42 EV trained in Defense & Attack
2.Pikachu (lightball) lvl 42 EV trained in Speed & Sp atk
3.Bibarel lvl 50 EV trained in HP & Defense
4. Seviper lvl 42 EV trained in Attack and Speed
5.Forretress lvl 42 EV trained in Defense and Sp Def
6. Slowbro lvl 50 EV trained Defense and HP
overthehill99
Member
Holy shit I just went into the WiFi Plaza for the first time. WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON?
Are these real people? What am I suppose to be doing here?
Are these real people? What am I suppose to be doing here?
Sixfortyfive
He who pursues two rabbits gets two rabbits.
Captain N said:
PusherT said:
Can't really help you there....I'd say all of your pokemon, except Forretress and Slowbro, are very rarely used, so I don't know if they're good or not.
Movesets would help as well! Is this for single player or multi?
A question of my own now...does the Villa have any purpose at all? or is it like the Secret Base?
overthehill99
Member
Just "unlocked" the new GTS. What an amazing set up they have for this game.
The battle recorder and PC box thing are so cool. I wish the interface for using them was a bit better, but its still cool non the less. The actual GTS (the trading portion) looks totally outdated compared to everything else, but either way I'm still not using it because of all the hacks.
The game would be the perfect Pokemon game if they had random online battles with some sort of stat tracking (Win/Loss at the least). I still don't understand why they can't do this.
The battle recorder and PC box thing are so cool. I wish the interface for using them was a bit better, but its still cool non the less. The actual GTS (the trading portion) looks totally outdated compared to everything else, but either way I'm still not using it because of all the hacks.
The game would be the perfect Pokemon game if they had random online battles with some sort of stat tracking (Win/Loss at the least). I still don't understand why they can't do this.
Are you talking about the Villa on rt 229 or the mansion on 212? The one on 229 has a machine there that increase your pkm freindlyness. The one on 212 is worthless.Giard said:
As for why I didn't include moveset is because I want to keep those secret for strategic purposes incase I battle someone they don't what I got coming
Also would you like to have a PKM battle lvl 50? If so PM me?
Crazymoogle
Member
PusherT said:
Well since you don't have movesets, look at it this way:
Going singletype closed down your weaknesses some (lots of resist!), but the low spread means you're going to be vulnerable to:
a)anything faster than you (weavile, gengar, etc.)
b)trick room
c)teams with a superior movespread and STAB on their side.
Assuming Pikachu is your starter, you'll be good to go against birds and force the switch, but Pikachu is pretty vulnerable and will still be outstripped to other speed-demon pokemon, meaning you'll need some sort of tank weapon to take it out. You'll also have to watch out for Electivire, which can swap in on the first round and suck down electric attacks to become faster, easily sweep Slowbro, and then probably has the moves to fight your other pokemon head-on.
Lack of immunity to ground is also a bit troubling.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru
Member
Teknoman said:
HAL was the developer of Stadium 1 and 2, while everything after that was by Genius Sonority (hubris much?). Maybe bring HAL back?
And on the subject of Mismagius, I had a bunch of Pokemon in my team with Bite and used that a bunch.
Even assuming you're going to be fighting people using exclusively UU Pokemon, there are a lot of special attackers who could run over practically your entire team for free. Basically, your main problem will most likely be enemy Pokemon that carry any two of the following: a good special Grass attack, a good special Electric attack, and a good STAB special attack that hits Forretress for neutral damage or better.PusherT said:
Examples, and I've been running the numbers with MetalKid's damage calculator:
Lanturn
Absorbs Pikachu's Electric attacks and takes next to nothing from Grass Knot. Even if you have Brick Break, it's not going to KO Lanturn (or even come close) before Lanturn Surfs it. A special attacking Lanturn with 200 Special Attack EVs will OHKO Pikachu guaranteed, but even one with as little as 56 has a chance to do it--and that's all assuming Pikachu hasn't taken any other damage. Bibarel can take a Surf, but not a Thunderbolt/Discharge. Slowbro has no good moves against Lanturn unless you're running a surprise physical set with Life Orb/Choice Band and Earthquake or Zen Headbutt--but even then, you'd need Choice Band and an Attack+ nature for a guaranteed OHKO with Earthquake, assuming no HP nor Defense EVs on Lanturn. One miss and it's Lanturn's game, as Thunderbolt will do 50% at least.
All of this leaves you with three options to switch in on Lanturn: Hitmontop, Forretress, and Seviper. But all three can be eliminated in three hits of Surf or Thunderbolt, making them dodgy switch-ins. If Lanturn is using Discharge instead of Thunderbolt, then you're ever-so-slightly safer damage-wise, but Seviper and Hitmontop could lose their speed advantage to a 30% paralysis chance, which might be equally troublesome.
Nidoqueen or Nidoking
Hitmontop needs Earthquake to stand a chance. Even if he has Earthquake, he can't OHKO Nidoking (the weaker of the two defensively) unless he's holding Life Orb, Expert Belt, or Choice Band. So either he's going to need to carry one of those or he's going to end up eating at least two attacks from Nidoqueen and Nidoking (who are both faster), guaranteed. Pikachu can't do much of anything, as Grass Knot sure isn't breaking through their defenses. I guess you could be using Surf from Battle Revolution, but in that case you'd be stuck with a Hardy nature and run the risk of being outsped.
Bibarel eats a quick Thunderbolt, if the Nidoqueen or Nidoking is a special or mixed attacker. It won't lose to that in one hit, unless Nidoqueen has Choice Specs and Special Attack+ or Nidoking has Special Attack+ and either Life Orb (possible OHKO) or Choice Specs (guaranteed), but Waterfall for Bibarel is basically in the same boat. Without a boosting item, Nidoqueen is never going down in one hit. Even with a Choice Band, Adamant/Brave Bibarel can't OHKO a Defense+ Nidoqueen who has 200 Defense EVs or more (even if she has nothing in HP), and will only occasional OHKO a Defense+ Nidoqueen who has nothing in Defense but 252 in HP. Nidoking has almost identical calculations, except that Bibarel only needs a Life Orb instead of Choice Band, and Adamant/Brave Bibarel with no boosting item stands a shot of OHKOing no-defense Nidoking. Whatever the case, the point is that it's not a safe matchup for Bibarel; both sides are flirting with a loss, but Bibarel's speed disadvantage is troublesome.
Seviper, like Hitmontop, can't KO with one Earthquake unless it has a boost. Seviper, unlike Hitmontop, will be OHKOed by the Nido's own Earthquake or Earth Power.
Forretress will be 3HKOed by Earth Power from either Nidoqueen or Nidoking in a best-case scenario (best for you). In a worst-case scenario, the Nido will have Flamethrower or Fire Blast and Forretress will be toast.
Slowbro can force Nidoqueen and Nidoking out, but switching in on them directly is risky business due to Thunderbolt and/or the chance of Earth Power dropping its Special Defense. Nidoking also has Megahorn, but Slowbro will be able to absorb it and Slack Off all damage and more unless it was boosted or a critical hit.
Ninetales
Will-O-Wisp to end Hitmontop one way or another (a physical attacker will be ruined outright, while a Rapid Spinner or other sort of utility Pokemon will have a much shorter life span), Flamethrower for a Pikachu OHKO, Energy Ball for a Bibarel 2HKO, Flamethrower for a Seviper 2HKO, and Flamethrower for a Forretress OHKO. Except for Slowbro, who can Slack Off to recover damage from Energy Ball, nothing can switch in on Ninetales--which is made even worse by the fact that she's faster than all of them.
Those are just Pokemon I though of right away (although, as I said, I had to run the numbers) because I like them all and have used them in the past, either on Netbattle in olden GBA times (Lanturn, Ninetales) or in-game in even older times (Nidoqueen in R/B/Y). I'm sure people who actually play UU on a regular basis would find other ways to create serious problems for you.
If you're playing outside UU, then--well, good luck.
Various special or mixed sweepers like Azelf, Starmie, Gengar, Infernape, Salamence, and Togekiss carry the kinds of moves that can OHKO or 2HKO just about all of your team without needing the help of Life Orb (much less Choice Specs), and all of them except for a non-Choice Scarf Togekiss also outspeed everything you have.DeathbyVolcano
Banned
So what's a good well-rounded team? I'm not focused on playing in tournaments or anything, but I'd like to be pretty strong and not really hate any of my pokemon. Right now I have three starters...well, here I'll just tell you
Level 23 Prinplup
Level 20 Charmeleon
Level 19 Bayleef
Level 22 Machop
Level 23 Luxio
And I'm working on levelin' up my Psyduck at the moment. Obviously I'm early in the game, but I think it's a pretty decent team. Maybe I need a fighting pokemon, even though machop knows a few fighting moves.
Level 23 Prinplup
Level 20 Charmeleon
Level 19 Bayleef
Level 22 Machop
Level 23 Luxio
And I'm working on levelin' up my Psyduck at the moment. Obviously I'm early in the game, but I think it's a pretty decent team. Maybe I need a fighting pokemon, even though machop knows a few fighting moves.
Yeah I'm messing with a UU tier team bult around trick room. Slowbro,Forrestress (Spikes,Rapid spin,Reflect,Return) Bibarel. With trick room startergy I have Item to slow my Hitomontop if need be. Pikachu/Seviper are speed sweeper. Lightball gives Pikachu an increase in SP atk & Sp def on top of the maxed out Sp atk EV (when he reaches lvl 100) andseviper is there to hit hard. Slowbro is a trick room/slack off specialist add with forrestress defense and Refelct ablitiesJiggy said:Even assuming you're going to be fighting people using exclusively UU Pokemon, there are a lot of special attackers who could run over practically your entire team for free. Basically, your main problem will most likely be enemy Pokemon that carry any two of the following: a good special Grass attack, a good special Electric attack, and a good STAB special attack that hits Forretress for neutral damage or better.
Examples, and I've been running the numbers with MetalKid's damage calculator:
Lanturn
Absorbs Pikachu's Electric attacks and takes next to nothing from Grass Knot. Even if you have Brick Break, it's not going to KO Lanturn (or even come close) before Lanturn Surfs it. A special attacking Lanturn with 200 Special Attack EVs will OHKO Pikachu guaranteed, but even one with as little as 56 has a chance to do it--and that's all assuming Pikachu hasn't taken any other damage. Bibarel can take a Surf, but not a Thunderbolt/Discharge. Slowbro has no good moves against Lanturn unless you're running a surprise physical set with Life Orb/Choice Band and Earthquake or Zen Headbutt--but even then, you'd need Choice Band and an Attack+ nature for a guaranteed OHKO with Earthquake, assuming no HP nor Defense EVs on Lanturn. One miss and it's Lanturn's game, as Thunderbolt will do 50% at least.
All of this leaves you with three options to switch in on Lanturn: Hitmontop, Forretress, and Seviper. But all three can be eliminated in three hits of Surf or Thunderbolt, making them dodgy switch-ins. If Lanturn is using Discharge instead of Thunderbolt, then you're ever-so-slightly safer damage-wise, but Seviper and Hitmontop could lose their speed advantage to a 30% paralysis chance, which might be equally troublesome.
Nidoqueen or Nidoking
Hitmontop needs Earthquake to stand a chance. Even if he has Earthquake, he can't OHKO Nidoking (the weaker of the two defensively) unless he's holding Life Orb, Expert Belt, or Choice Band. So either he's going to need to carry one of those or he's going to end up eating at least two attacks from Nidoqueen and Nidoking (who are both faster), guaranteed. Pikachu can't do much of anything, as Grass Knot sure isn't breaking through their defenses. I guess you could be using Surf from Battle Revolution, but in that case you'd be stuck with a Hardy nature and run the risk of being outsped.
Bibarel eats a quick Thunderbolt, if the Nidoqueen or Nidoking is a special or mixed attacker. It won't lose to that in one hit, unless Nidoqueen has Choice Specs and Special Attack+ or Nidoking has Special Attack+ and either Life Orb (possible OHKO) or Choice Specs (guaranteed), but Waterfall for Bibarel is basically in the same boat. Without a boosting item, Nidoqueen is never going down in one hit. Even with a Choice Band, Adamant/Brave Bibarel can't OHKO a Defense+ Nidoqueen who has 200 Defense EVs or more (even if she has nothing in HP), and will only occasional OHKO a Defense+ Nidoqueen who has nothing in Defense but 252 in HP. Nidoking has almost identical calculations, except that Bibarel only needs a Life Orb instead of Choice Band, and Adamant/Brave Bibarel with no boosting item stands a shot of OHKOing no-defense Nidoking. Whatever the case, the point is that it's not a safe matchup for Bibarel; both sides are flirting with a loss, but Bibarel's speed disadvantage is troublesome.
Seviper, like Hitmontop, can't KO with one Earthquake unless it has a boost. Seviper, unlike Hitmontop, will be OHKOed by the Nido's own Earthquake or Earth Power.
Forretress will be 3HKOed by Earth Power from either Nidoqueen or Nidoking in a best-case scenario (best for you). In a worst-case scenario, the Nido will have Flamethrower or Fire Blast and Forretress will be toast.
Slowbro can force Nidoqueen and Nidoking out, but switching in on them directly is risky business due to Thunderbolt and/or the chance of Earth Power dropping its Special Defense. Nidoking also has Megahorn, but Slowbro will be able to absorb it and Slack Off all damage and more unless it was boosted or a critical hit.
Ninetales
Will-O-Wisp to end Hitmontop one way or another (a physical attacker will be ruined outright, while a Rapid Spinner or other sort of utility Pokemon will have a much shorter life span), Flamethrower for a Pikachu OHKO, Energy Ball for a Bibarel 2HKO, Flamethrower for a Seviper 2HKO, and Flamethrower for a Forretress OHKO. Except for Slowbro, who can Slack Off to recover damage from Energy Ball, nothing can switch in on Ninetales--which is made even worse by the fact that she's faster than all of them.
Those are just Pokemon I though of right away (although, as I said, I had to run the numbers) because I like them all and have used them in the past, either on Netbattle in olden GBA times (Lanturn, Ninetales) or in-game in even older times (Nidoqueen in R/B/Y). I'm sure people who actually play UU on a regular basis would find other ways to create serious problems for you.
If you're playing outside UU, then--well, good luck.
ShinoguTakeruKoeru said:
That was the one thing PBR did right.Teknoman said:
I have nothing against Genius Sonority aside from PBR, though--actually, I think they did a bangup job with Colosseum and XD in terms of tossing tons of excellent prize Pokemon at the player. Stadium 1 had given free starters, fossils, and Eevee, which was cool in its own right, especially in its time, but Colosseum was on a new level. Even if we ignore the exclusive Johto Pokemon (because some people like me think that they shouldn't have reduced the number of Pokemon for Ruby/Sapphire in the first place), Colosseum gave out all sorts of Pokemon with free egg moves or TM moves that helped along your breeding chains. Some were better than others (Drill Peck Skarmory), but it had loads of great stuff.
And XD went one step further and granted completely exclusive moves. That's way, way above the level of PBR, which only has three prize Pokemon, with only one of them having an exclusive move. And PBR doesn't have free prize items like Colosseum or XD, either; you got pretty hefty sets of TMs from the two Gamecube RPGs, and a Master Ball (if you didn't use it in-game), and XD even had a free Lucky Egg, but if you want to pull any items out of PBR then you have to win a pretty large number of battles to afford them.
Overall, I'd love to see another full-fledged Pokemon RPG by Genius Sonority on Wii. Especially if it had an actual functioning box system that allows transfers between games, unlike My Pokemon Ranch.
Wii Will Rock U
Banned
Agreed, I actually really liked Pokemon Colosseum and recently played through Pokemon XD on a whim which is actually much better than Colosseum.Jiggy said:
Jiggy said:That was the one thing PBR did right.
I have nothing against Genius Sonority aside from PBR, though--actually, I think they did a bangup job with Colosseum and XD in terms of tossing tons of excellent prize Pokemon at the player. Stadium 1 had given free starters, fossils, and Eevee, which was cool in its own right, especially in its time, but Colosseum was on a new level. Even if we ignore the exclusive Johto Pokemon (because some people like me think that they shouldn't have reduced the number of Pokemon for Ruby/Sapphire in the first place), Colosseum gave out all sorts of Pokemon with free egg moves or TM moves that helped along your breeding chains. Some were better than others (Drill Peck Skarmory), but it had loads of great stuff.
And XD went one step further and granted completely exclusive moves. That's way, way above the level of PBR, which only has three prize Pokemon, with only one of them having an exclusive move. And PBR doesn't have free prize items like Colosseum or XD, either; you got pretty hefty sets of TMs from the two Gamecube RPGs, and a Master Ball (if you didn't use it in-game), and XD even had a free Lucky Egg, but if you want to pull any items out of PBR then you have to win a pretty large number of battles to afford them.
Overall, I'd love to see another full-fledged Pokemon RPG by Genius Sonority on Wii. Especially if it had an actual functioning box system that allows transfers between games, unlike My Pokemon Ranch.
Don't forget Stadium 2 if you won the....oh god I forgot the battles, think it was their Elite 4 you could allow one pokemon to relearn a move they once had learned (like example getting that Lv70 Ho-oh in Silver to relearn Sacred Fire).
Pokemon finally on twitter.
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694402/Dozens-of-Pokemon-Spotted-on-Twitter.html
my favorite.
http://twitter.com/MISSINGNO_
http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/694402/Dozens-of-Pokemon-Spotted-on-Twitter.html
my favorite.
http://twitter.com/MISSINGNO_
OK here is my main team that Used from Emerald and Migrated over there at level 80 my "Ghostzzz" team
1. Swampert lvl 80 (Hydro Canon,Earthquake,rain Dance,muddy water) Quick Claw
2.Ludicolo lvl 80 leftovers+ rain dish ability (surf,mega drain, astonish, grass knot)
3. Solrock lvl 80 Hard rock (cosmic power,Solarbeam,Rock Slide, Sunny Day) solar beam + sunny day combo
4. Blaziken lvl 80 choice scarf (Brave Bird, Sky uppercut "hits pkm doing the move fly", Bulk Up, Blast Burn)
5. Mightyena lvl 80 Blackglasses (Odor Sleuth,Cruch,Suker Punch, Embargo "helpful for stopping left overs,choice specs, Chesto berry + rest combo etc" )
6. Shedinja lvl 80 Focus sash (Furry Cutter,Heal Block,Shadow Ball, Grudge/Spite "still undecided on grudge & spite")
I keep shedinja hidden and try to fight off as many fire/bird types as possible with the other 5 pkm. I keep focus sash just incases that Garachomp is packing Crunch/bite. Shedinja is my favorite of the 493 pokemon and is the crown jewel of my main team team "Ghostzzz"
1. Swampert lvl 80 (Hydro Canon,Earthquake,rain Dance,muddy water) Quick Claw
2.Ludicolo lvl 80 leftovers+ rain dish ability (surf,mega drain, astonish, grass knot)
3. Solrock lvl 80 Hard rock (cosmic power,Solarbeam,Rock Slide, Sunny Day) solar beam + sunny day combo
4. Blaziken lvl 80 choice scarf (Brave Bird, Sky uppercut "hits pkm doing the move fly", Bulk Up, Blast Burn)
5. Mightyena lvl 80 Blackglasses (Odor Sleuth,Cruch,Suker Punch, Embargo "helpful for stopping left overs,choice specs, Chesto berry + rest combo etc" )
6. Shedinja lvl 80 Focus sash (Furry Cutter,Heal Block,Shadow Ball, Grudge/Spite "still undecided on grudge & spite")
I keep shedinja hidden and try to fight off as many fire/bird types as possible with the other 5 pkm. I keep focus sash just incases that Garachomp is packing Crunch/bite. Shedinja is my favorite of the 493 pokemon and is the crown jewel of my main team team "Ghostzzz"
Hatchet Man
Member
Does anyone have a misdreavus they're willing to trade?
If anyone has any interest in the more competitive side, Smogon does make its Policy Review board open to viewing: http://www.smogon.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=63
It's sometimes interesting to see what sort of decisions take place surrounding high level play in the game.
It's sometimes interesting to see what sort of decisions take place surrounding high level play in the game.
Hatchet Man
Member
Thanks for the misdreavus, the battle was fun.
Updated the EV training guide. PKMN Trainer Cheryl gives 11 HP EVs, though you can only battle her once per day--and many times she won't even be available to fight at all, which is why I didn't know to bring her up before.
Edit: Forgot to reply to this earlier, but:
Edit: Forgot to reply to this earlier, but:
I wish they had something even more random than what you're probably thinking of: I want online competitive Battle Factory (with a 6-on-6 option added, preferably). That would be a truly broad and amazing experience to me, since everyone would be using random teams and employing the full gamut of strategies and moves, instead of just running the same typical powerhouses.Blu_LED said:
Jiggy didn't even mention the real best part of Colosseum. Master Ball duping!
Also the focus on double battle was neat and the AI in Colosseum mode was pretty damn tricky.
XD is more fun to playthrough though, having turned the purification of pokemon from an hour long ordeal to a completely passive affair that took maybe 10-15 minutes.
Also the focus on double battle was neat and the AI in Colosseum mode was pretty damn tricky.
XD is more fun to playthrough though, having turned the purification of pokemon from an hour long ordeal to a completely passive affair that took maybe 10-15 minutes.
Someone who has Ruby, Sapphire, two copies of Emerald, Colosseum, Fire Red, Leaf Green, XD, two copies of Diamond, two copies of Pearl, and Platinum may need something--like professional help, perhaps--but an extra supply of Master Balls isn't it.
I already have spares lying around, and with new Pokemon games lately I waste the Master Balls catching ubers (which I'll never even use) just so that I don't end up with too many of them.
I already have spares lying around, and with new Pokemon games lately I waste the Master Balls catching ubers (which I'll never even use) just so that I don't end up with too many of them.
I don't know, I have over 200 distinct trainer IDs on my diamond save and I still only win the lottery every month or so. Plus with the number of legendaries in each game expanding...
Funnier still, I don't even use the masterballs I have! I have 10 from the GSC generation and about 20 lying around from this one, none from duping!
People who want good IV'd legendaries for some tournament or another, and who haven't run through RSEFRLG a million times though love the Masterball duping. It being about as fast as Emerald duping doesn't hurt one bit!
Funnier still, I don't even use the masterballs I have! I have 10 from the GSC generation and about 20 lying around from this one, none from duping!
People who want good IV'd legendaries for some tournament or another, and who haven't run through RSEFRLG a million times though love the Masterball duping. It being about as fast as Emerald duping doesn't hurt one bit!
Little Green Yoda
Member
Man God said:
Emerald duping is much, much faster. You can duplicate multiple items together unlike Colosseum.
Little Green Yoda
Member
Wait, what does its release date have to do with it being "about as fast as Emerald duping"? :lol
I also don't understand the multiple copies thing some people have when it comes to Pokemon games. 1 of each version is somewhat understandable but 2 Emeralds? 2 Pearls? Professional help might not be a bad idea. :lol
I also don't understand the multiple copies thing some people have when it comes to Pokemon games. 1 of each version is somewhat understandable but 2 Emeralds? 2 Pearls? Professional help might not be a bad idea. :lol
Little Green Yoda said:
Well, it was a fast way to get extra Masterballs before Emerald came out in '06. Faster than going through Ruby a dozen times at any rate. That's all I'm saying.
If I see a Pokemon game for under $5, especially one I don't have, I pick it up. Sometimes having an extra copy of something can come in handy.
Very handy this gen considering how useful a lot of the Gym Leader TMs are.
Wii Will Rock U
Banned
Those Pokemon twitters are amazing, :lol .
I recommend Dugtrio: http://twitter.com/Dugtrio
:lol :lol :lol
I recommend Dugtrio: http://twitter.com/Dugtrio
:lol :lol :lol