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[Kintaro]

I really hate this division between hardcore and casual. A lot of "hardcore" players are people who just simply use good strategy and have decent execution. Anyone can get to that level just playing a couple times a week. Giving people excuses to not pick up a character they flow with and play this game to its full potential is not a mindset I can get behind.

You may hate it, but I believe with fighters, there is definitely a clear division between hardcore and casual. Much more so than with any other mutliplayer genre. I don't think they will change even with the in depth tutorial mode in SF4. The execution part of it is the truly divisive factor IMO.

I honestly don't think it's a bad thing, but it's there.

I'm sitting here at work thinking of excuses I can use to call in sick, in order to play SF4 on launch Damn this thread

I've already been approved for my day off work.

Oh yeah, can be like, prohibit tier talk? I don't even think putting it in the OP is a good idea.

 

[sixteen-bit]

Guys, I have a dilemma. I'm a casual player (played ST on SNES fanatically when I was younger though) and I'd like to pickup a better controller for SFIV.

I have SFHD on PSN and I'm fine using then DS3 D-Pad, but I want the 360 version of IV for the online play, more friends, etc. Which controller would you pick up, the Mad Catz SFIV Fight Pad or a Hori EX2 stick?

Those are my choices right now... what would you go with?

EX2 is shit. Some people beast with it though. I think Sirlin uses it in HDRemix, lol.

 

[arstal]

You may hate it, but I believe with fighters, there is definitely a clear division between hardcore and casual. Much more so than with any other mutliplayer genre. I don't think they will change even with the in depth tutorial mode in SF4. The execution part of it is the truly divisive factor IMO.

I honestly don't think it's a bad thing, but it's there.



I've already been approved for my day off work.

Oh yeah, can be like, prohibit tier talk? I don't even think putting it in the OP is a good idea.

SF4 from what I've read, the balance isn't VF, but it's still pretty good. Tiers aren't that important until you get to Evo/SBO level

As for execution being the dividing factor, people like me are proof all you need to be a solid player is timing and heart. I can't execute for crap, yet I've gone to tournies and have occasionally scalped people who have placed/won tournies at Evo.

 

[Caspel]

Oh yeah, can be like, prohibit tier talk? I don't even think putting it in the OP is a good idea.

Yeah, I was blindsided by how heated tier talk can get. I agree tho It's a very touchy subject for anyone.

And to gutter_trash, Vega is such a sad character for his transition to SFIV. His Izuna drop is still fun to play around with though.

 

[TurtleSnatcher]

Of course the two mains I want to play.. or currently play are the two bottom tiers.

El Fuerte and Vega (Claw) though I see some players can be good with these guys so I will stick with them (ie: See Tatsu and Bebop videos from Arcade Infinity)

 

[Jaruru]

I've already been approved for my day off work.

Oh yeah, can be like, prohibit tier talk? I don't even think putting it in the OP is a good idea.

but the thing is, we may not have the game on 17th in Canada... so I may/may not take 17th off ><

 

[2 Minutes Turkish]

Let's get this shit on GAF. Added GAF SFIV yesterday, and I'm ready.

I'm gonna Ken your asses.

Spoiler

ok, you'll all own me, but it hasnt stopped me from adoring street fighter for 16 years

 

[Mattlikewhoa]

I've already been approved for my day off work.

Gah...I'm going to shoot my manager a email about a doctors appointment I can't get out of since I've booked it a few months ago

hi5. I had the same thought last week...

:lol High five back at cha!!! Good to know I'm not the only one!

 

[Akim]

scoops.

scoops haagen dasz.

fuck the knicks!


I have been playing the crap out of 3S in preparation. Never played that game before. Lovin' the music.

 

[CAVE343]

I'm going to play this game even if I get my ass handed time after time. I'm sure going to spend a lot of time on this game.
But in the end I don't really care about winning or losing, I know the game is going to be fun.

Another question, how are most of you guys playing with a stick? On the lap or on a table?

 

[duffey]

Do any of you have an idea of who you'd like to main yet?

I sort of have a good idea based on videos so it'll be Ryu, Viper, Rose, and maybe Balrog/Boxer. I'm sure I'll add and subtract from that when I actually start playing the game though.

 

[sonicspear64]

For those of you who haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkLXRxi9DU

Dan's anime opening and first match!

 

[Ronabo]

I really wanna learn to play as Rufus. He looks fun to play. Plus he's the one character I most resemble :lol

 

[KittenMaster]

Oh, and I want to use Gouken as well.

 

[Xater]

Do any of you have an idea of who you'd like to main yet?

Blanka + Sagat or Blanka + Ryu. Blanka is a sure thing though.

 

[sixteen-bit]

fuck the knicks!


I have been playing the crap out of 3S in preparation. Never played that game before. Lovin' the music.

Best music in a game ever.

 

[Mr Jared]

For those of you who haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkLXRxi9DU

Dan's anime opening and first match!

The funniest part of this scene is lost in translation. You're going to love the English sub/dub.

 

[Arde5643]

Of course the two mains I want to play.. or currently play are the two bottom tiers.

El Fuerte and Vega (Claw) though I see some players can be good with these guys so I will stick with them (ie: See Tatsu and Bebop videos from Arcade Infinity)

I think with El Fuerte if you can do the loop combo regularly, you'll be fine in competition since the loop combo is quite fearsome indeed - really good damage and very high chance to stun.

Of course, this is assuming you've got all of Fuerte's mixup and run-away tactics down pat.

 

[SiegfriedFM]

Claw sucks because there's no way his Super OR Ultra will connect unless your opponent is sleeping. The rest of his game is kind of decent, but he was always a hard character to use.

 

[Kintaro]

As for execution being the dividing factor, people like me are proof all you need to be a solid player is timing and heart. I can't execute for crap, yet I've gone to tournies and have occasionally scalped people who have placed/won tournies at Evo.

I guess I didn't state my opinion clearly. Sorry. I guess it all boils down to attention span. Do people have it enough to stick with fighters of this type, to get decent at it? Perhaps I'm a cynic when it comes to modern gamers, but I don't believe so anymore. The attention span and time investment, more so than anything else except maybe RTS' to even get decent, is the dividing factor.

No big though. I'm on GAF. I come here to really not give a shit what casuals think.

 

[SapientWolf]

Oh yeah, can be like, prohibit tier talk? I don't even think putting it in the OP is a good idea.

I don't think tier talk should be prohibited. That discussion is worth having among a certain group of people. The problem is that that group is really small right now, but it doesn't stop everyone else from dogpiling the discussion.

 

[jonah777]

I dunno if this is old, but lots of HD videos of SF4, and knowing Ruliweb they're probably in 60fps:

http://ruliweb.empas.com/data/rulinews/read.htm?num=16730

face.fucking.palm. As if the wait could not get any worse... I had to go and watch these on my HD set. Now I feel like the game is installed on my 360, but I just can't fucking play it yet. How wonderful!? *eyes twitching*

p.s. the Ken vs. Ryu match was gut-wrenching.

 

[CAVE343]

I guess I didn't state my opinion clearly. Sorry. I guess it all boils down to attention span. Do people have it enough to stick with fighters of this type, to get decent at it? Perhaps I'm a cynic when it comes to modern gamers, but I don't believe so anymore. The attention span and time investment, more so than anything else except maybe RTS' to even get decent, is the dividing factor.

No big though. I'm on GAF. I come here to really not give a shit what casuals think.

I think SF will attract lots of casual players in the first few weeks. The question is indeed how long will they stay?

 

[Kintaro]

I think SF will attract lots of casual players in the first few weeks. The question is indeed how long will they stay?

<shrugs>

It's a question that all multiplayer games ask themselves. The only thing at this point we, the fighting game fans, should be wondering is... will online play be good? I guess it just comes back down to that.

I lean towards being a PS3 fan so my usual internal reply this generation is "I don't care if casuals stay. Just give me a good GAF group to play with." :lol

 

[ph15h]

I remember a time when people used to just play and not worry about shit like this



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[Guled]

I think SF will attract lots of casual players in the first few weeks. The question is indeed how long will they stay?

hopefully long enogh to get the 10 wins in a row achievement/trophy

 

[ShinAmano]

hopefully long enogh to get the 10 wins in a row achievement/trophy

Lol...the first weekend after the game comes out I will try to get this one.

 

[n3ss]

I think SF will attract lots of casual players in the first few weeks. The question is indeed how long will they stay?

It indeed will. I'm wondering this as well though. How long will the casual actually stay with this game, especially with high level play around. If anything they'll just complain of how cheap certain things are just like in HDR and of course my response will be, "Once you learn to stop it I'll do something else." :lol

 

[CAVE343]

hopefully long enogh to get the 10 wins in a row achievement/trophy

:lol

 

[No_Style]

I think SF will attract lots of casual players in the first few weeks. The question is indeed how long will they stay?

Hopefully for awhile. Like people have said it depends on their access to competition. I know that some of my friends are picking this up thanks to the recognizable characters. I'm hoping to rile them up and get into some more competitive games.

The frame counting is scary to me, but I can see its place for the super hardcore. Thank goodness I'm not up there to take advantage of tiers and whatnots. The last thing I want to do with a fighting game is to break it down to a science.

 

[SouthernDragon]

I plan on playing Fei Long, Chun, Ryu, Sakura.

I hope they patch Fei Long and Sakura, though, I hear they can't throw into their Ultras. : (

 

[jon bones]

Lol...the first weekend after the game comes out I will try to get this one.

:lol :lol so true

amazon better not fuck me out of my noobwins!

 

[Nakazato]

Another question, how are most of you guys playing with a stick? On the lap or on a table?

I do both my Harp 3 is heavy enough to play on my lap with out it moving. Yet my table is close enough to use it to play but i have to bend to it.

 

[Kintaro]

As for what character I'll learn first? Gouken I guess. I don't know. I'm always partial to Ken too. Meh.

 

[MoxManiac]

Do any of you have an idea of who you'd like to main yet?

Zangief, Rufus, possibly Abel, Bison...Boxer...maybe Gouken...damn, there's a lot of characters I want to use! :lol

 

[Osaka]

Ohhh.. Its cool you are a Sagat fan, I am too!

I really like you! :lol

I will probably put most of my time into Ryu. Gonna test around C Viper, Abel, Gouken and El Fuerte as well though, see if I like those guys better

 

[GeoNeo]

Going to main Abel and Bison.

 

[gutter_trash]

For those of you who haven't seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIkLXRxi9DU

Dan's anime opening and first match!

China Street (Night Time) looks awesome

 

[StickyFingers]

I've been waiting for this.

The official SF4 thread is here. 10 Pages already. Wow.

Good to see many people will grab this.

This game will hurt my wallet, but damnit, it's a fighting game worth the money to spend on. And it's pads and arcadestick.

 

[NinajHeartless]

Do any of you have an idea of who you'd like to main yet?

Shit, I'm going to dabble with a bunch of characters,,,but I think the main ones will be:
E.Honda (definately, he's my man in HD Remix)
Cammy
Sakura

 

[n3ss]

I've been waiting for this.

The official SF4 thread is here. 10 Pages already. Wow.

Good to see many people will grab this.

This game will hurt my wallet, but damnit, it's a fighting game worth the money to spend on. And it's pads and arcadestick.

This thread is gonna be crazy long before the game is even out.

 

[[Nintex]]

I'll probably pick Ryu and Chun-Li as my mains, but I usually suck at competitive games like Street Fighter so I'll finish the arcade mode first before I try the online options.

 

[Darkman M]

Do any of you have an idea of who you'd like to main yet?

If gouken is not broken ill main him I love his style compared to other shoto. I think i might look into getting serious with Balrog as well. Ryu would come easily for me being ive played with him as a main in just about every street fighter game ive played.

 

[sonicspear64]

I think I've settled on Ken, Dan, and maybe Fuerte. I wanna try out Abel as well. I'll probably jump around to more people as time goes on though, but I'll stick Ken and Dan for sure.

 

[haunts]

You may hate it, but I believe with fighters, there is definitely a clear division between hardcore and casual. Much more so than with any other mutliplayer genre. I don't think they will change even with the in depth tutorial mode in SF4. The execution part of it is the truly divisive factor IMO.

I honestly don't think it's a bad thing, but it's there.

Oh yeah, can be like, prohibit tier talk? I don't even think putting it in the OP is a good idea.

I just dont think the divide is as large as people make it out to be. With SFIV you can get real far with out doing anything "fancy" or hardcore, just by playing solid. I just see a lot of articles that almost promote people to stay at a certain level instead of encouraging them to go with a character they enjoy and get the most out of the game. I'd say its much easier to pick up SFIV rather than say StarCraft or Counter-Strike.

Even casual players are putting a hardcore investment into this game monetarily, so why not get factual information out there to help those who do want to be able to compete with whichever character they choose? If too many opinions are floating around its only going to further the mind set that people cant play on a competitive level.

For instance, there was this Sagat player in SoCal, he didn't do any crazy link combos or anything, he just spaced well, threw a shit load of tiger shots and punished jump ins. Real basic stuff, and he is killing SoCals top players. Like arstal was saying, it just takes some good ole fashioned timing and heart.

Also, you may not like the tier talk, but the match ups are real and it should be discussed. I will say that for a lot of people that they wont matter in this game, but it should give people and idea what they are up against when they hop online or whatever.

 

[Spy]

I don't think anyone should take tiers seriously when the game hasn't even hit consoles yet. Tiers can drastically change.

 

[Nightz]

Looks like I'll be using E. Honda and Ryu as my mains. I'd like to try out the new characters though and see how they play.

 

[No45]

I'm just watching those Ruliweb videos now. Check out Gen's face as he sees the SHAMWOW™ incoming (ps3_04 file @ ~3:10). Priceless. :lol

As for mains, I've always played Shoto so I'm going out of my way to try something different this time - as well as learning how to play with a stick. I think I'm going to go with Zangief. Although I am strangely drawn to Rose...

Spoiler

SHAMWOW!

 

[Relix]

Chun LI FOR ME!!!!

 

[MThanded]

For those who dont have it already and want a street fighter fix pickup alpha anthologies and anniversary edition for the ps2. Anthologies is a great compilation and it has some hidden games. One of them is alpha 3 upper which has some sf2 characters added in. Im having a lot of fun with this game. Anniversary edition has 3s, enough said. I have a launch edition ps3 with BC so I can play with my vshg.

Oh yeah the anniversary edition guide comes with the 3s soundtrack.