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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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Well, Fei Long's game is way too easy to "get" for the others & I'm having a hard time finding various options, combinations. I'm not fond of his lk/lp poke game (range is too small) & finally, but that's just me I guess, I'm not linking right his chicken wings (or ex-cw) in my linking game...
Teknopathetic
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Rose -> Sagat -> Bison.
Ha, I still don't have one "main" - it's still a lot less than what I used to do with the fighting games (practically play with everyone!) thanks in part to SFIV's stricter timing and annoying shortcuts, but I use:
Balrog, Honda, Blanka, Bison, Fuerte as my "main 5", and...
Ryu, Fei Long and Cammy as my lower used secondaries, even though Ryu is my favorite Street Fighter - probably since he's "too good", I dunno...
And those list are going to get even bigger when SSFIV comes, because I know I'm going to add Dee Jay and T. Hawk to the mains, and Cody (could be main) and Makoto to the secondaries for sure, who knows where the rest of the new characters could go...
Balrog, Honda, Blanka, Bison, Fuerte as my "main 5", and...
Ryu, Fei Long and Cammy as my lower used secondaries, even though Ryu is my favorite Street Fighter - probably since he's "too good", I dunno...
And those list are going to get even bigger when SSFIV comes, because I know I'm going to add Dee Jay and T. Hawk to the mains, and Cody (could be main) and Makoto to the secondaries for sure, who knows where the rest of the new characters could go...
I've always pretty much stuck with Chun-Li as my main since CvS2, which is the first 2D fighter I spent any amount of time with. As for secondaries, it's gone kinda like this: Blanka, Ryu, Balrog, Honda, Blanka, Cammy. I've started giving Abel a go, but I think I suck to much to use him. =( I also finally unlocked Akuma after having the game for a year, and he's pretty fun, so I'll be trying him out too.
Really I just need to work on my Chun game though. >_>
Really I just need to work on my Chun game though. >_>
DoDonGouki
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After all the hype going on in the SSFIV board it made me take up this game again...only to find out that my right analog stick on my controller in horribly mangled and I can't super jump with Viper or pull off ground cannon spikes with Cammy. I really need to get my self a stick. :lol
dragonballjoseph
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Main: Dictator> Chun/Dictator> Boxer/Chun/Dictator
Secondary: Chun > Cammy > Sakura > Dan
When SSF4 comes out, I plan on adding Dudley and Cody to my mains and Juri as a secondary. (Never played any other SF game aside from World Warriors, but they look like they fit my playstyle).
On another note, Fedex said my stick came in today. ^_^
Secondary: Chun > Cammy > Sakura > Dan
When SSF4 comes out, I plan on adding Dudley and Cody to my mains and Juri as a secondary. (Never played any other SF game aside from World Warriors, but they look like they fit my playstyle).
On another note, Fedex said my stick came in today. ^_^
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
Main: Gouken --> Blanka --> Vega --> Akuma
Secondary: Balrog --> Ryu --> Abel --> Balrog/Fuerte
Secondary: Balrog --> Ryu --> Abel --> Balrog/Fuerte
I played sagat for the first month of sf4, then I dropped him, I never play him now.
I main gouken, though he doesn't suit my style as he doesn't have a real rushdown, nothings safe. Just strictly zoning and being passive. he has no real good bnb ,He's got good damage output and nice ass juggles in the corner where he thrives at. My theory is that Gouken is really an old school pimp puttin hoes in their corners, this man's pimp hand is way strong. They need to give gouken a zoot suit for his 2nd alt, and an 11th taunt "bitch, better have my money"
secondary: fei long, fuerte, ryu, chun and I'm trying very hard to learn viper, but I've been relegated to a pad within the past few months
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I main gouken, though he doesn't suit my style as he doesn't have a real rushdown, nothings safe. Just strictly zoning and being passive. he has no real good bnb ,He's got good damage output and nice ass juggles in the corner where he thrives at. My theory is that Gouken is really an old school pimp puttin hoes in their corners, this man's pimp hand is way strong. They need to give gouken a zoot suit for his 2nd alt, and an 11th taunt "bitch, better have my money"
secondary: fei long, fuerte, ryu, chun and I'm trying very hard to learn viper, but I've been relegated to a pad within the past few months
.black_vegeta
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SF Gaf needs MOAR Rog in their lives!!!
FindMyFarms said:
Cancel windows are usually a bit bigger than the amount of active frames (unless it's totally different for SF4). They're generally not listed in the frame data tho. AFAIK they are usually active + a few frames of recovery. It might even be active + hit pause, but you never see that listed anywhere either.
Heavy's Sandvich
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Timedog said:
My time was 171.4. Fourth on the leaderboard, I doubt it though.
diztrukted
Member
el fuerte--->ken--->sagat--->bison
it a joke when I played bison, but then when I started to become decent, that's when i knew.
I'm better with evil characters. Specifically, dictator.
Secondary---> akuma---> guile --->blanka
it a joke when I played bison, but then when I started to become decent, that's when i knew.
I'm better with evil characters. Specifically, dictator.
Secondary---> akuma---> guile --->blanka
black_vegeta
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Soneet said:
Example: I mained Ryu first->then Sagat->then Bison->then Sim (currently maining)
FindMyFarms
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UC1 said:
Yeah I should have said about, but I was mainly going off of feel since it's not listed anywhere. Just a coincidence that 4 is also the number of active frames.
ShinNL
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Oh okay. Then it would be...black_vegeta said:
Main: C.Viper --> Cammy
Secondary: Rose --> Sakura
Third (for fun): El Fuerte --> Dan --> Gouken --> Abel --> Chun Li --> Guile --> Boxer --> Claw
By main I assume what I would be using in G1, secondary if it's round 1 and I don't care if I lose. Third options being what I would be using in Player Matches if the other player isn't as good so I can practice them more.
I feel my Ryu/Guile/Bison/Honda are pretty equal ("main"). They feel pretty solid to me.
The closest thing to "secondaries" would probably be Viper/Cammy/Sakura (who I learned to like recently). I add a little of my own style and not just "Balrog it" with random jabs and dash punches. Overall, gimmicky though. :lol
I want to play more gaf people. I am kid-tested, Farms-approved! (I think :lol ) I also touched Ono's side boob! (Okay, maybe not...)
PSN: familymanup
The closest thing to "secondaries" would probably be Viper/Cammy/Sakura (who I learned to like recently). I add a little of my own style and not just "Balrog it" with random jabs and dash punches. Overall, gimmicky though. :lol
I want to play more gaf people. I am kid-tested, Farms-approved! (I think :lol ) I also touched Ono's side boob! (Okay, maybe not...)
PSN: familymanup
the_log_ride
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I'm playing Ken now, having been inspired by Max haha
Too much fun to play.
I've hit a wall with Dhalsim. I need a break from him
Too much fun to play.
I've hit a wall with Dhalsim. I need a break from him
Crab Milk Mickey
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I'm not great with that match-up either, but it might be reasonably even in the end if both players know what to do unless I got the wrong impression. I think it might help if you fight him a little more patiently than most characters (but not as bad as against Zangief of course) and pay attention to his EX meter if you aren't doing that already. Renta already covered everything else, so I'll leave it at that.AZ Greg said:
One last thing though: if a Balrog is trying to chip you out with his Super or Ultra (I forgot which) by forcing you block, I think you can still teleport out of there at some point of the animation. It's been a long time since I had that happen to me, so I can't tell you for sure when exactly it's possible and whether or not it's doable with both moves.
Yoga Flame also works at mid-range and some dash punches can go straight through a Yoga Tower, but the latter approach is more a show-off gimmick than anything else. EX Yoga Fire is naturally also one of Dhalsim's options if he has meter to spare.Rentahamster said:
Random fun fact: El Fuerte can't 'leap' over Dhalsim with his Guacamole airthrow if he's using Yoga Tower. Comes in handy from time to time, such as when a Fuerte is trying to get away from your Ultra on wake-up.AZ Greg said:
AZ Greg
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BotoxAgent said:AZ Greg - I wanna play your dhalsim again tonight if you're free, hit me up!
I should be on around the same time. I'll hit you up if I see you.
Lost Fragment said:
Yeah, like I was saying to him, my close game still needs a lot of work. I think I have some bad habits built up from always having Vega's backflips, wall jump, and FBA to use when being pressured.
And I actually like the Viper beatings. I feel like that's the best way to improve since you can really see your progress. And gotta get that match-up EXP at some point.
the_log_ride
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MicVlaD said:
This sounds delicious. 'Will keep in mind...
the_log_ride
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Really now, though. How much of a close-up game does Sim have?
Whenever someone closes the gap on me, or gets in my face, I'm doing my best to more space between us again.
Whenever someone closes the gap on me, or gets in my face, I'm doing my best to more space between us again.
lemon__fresh
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Timedog said:
I'm assuming they taught you what buffers are in programming class. In this case it's a situation where inputs are stored in said buffer, like during an animation.
the_log_ride
Member
AZ Greg said:
Understood. I'm always looking for the throw, and sometimes look to tech too much, and get punished for it. I detest Sim's matchup against Boxer & Abel...
FindMyFarms
Member
ptown said:
Fixed for ya
Youse guyses cancelability frame data is off. You have the entirety of impact freeze to cancel a normal move. In SF4 you also have the entirety of startup to do it, since SF4 only has one-frame karas (with some random exceptions like Sagat's F+LK). That's why you can do post-KO cancels btw.
I wrote an article about this in case anyone wants to get into the details: Impact Freeze (aka hitstop)
But if you're just wondering about the latest you can cancel, SF4 impact freeze for hard attacks is around 12 frames which is a fifth of a second so 200ms. It can be done (especially by a 3S player who's used to hit-confirming everything) but there's probably better/safer ways to play the game.
I wrote an article about this in case anyone wants to get into the details: Impact Freeze (aka hitstop)
But if you're just wondering about the latest you can cancel, SF4 impact freeze for hard attacks is around 12 frames which is a fifth of a second so 200ms. It can be done (especially by a 3S player who's used to hit-confirming everything) but there's probably better/safer ways to play the game.
Youuuuu don't play Guile. I haven't seen one Guile match on your u2b channel!Kadey said:
Hey I was pretty close! I said it's probably active + hitstop, but as I understand it now active is part of hitstop. I know it when I see it =P. And yeah I can see the cancel window being even bigger than that, with some startup frames included (at the very least add a couple from startup cos of negative edge).
SF4 definitely has 2 frame kara-cancels btw. If you check the input display on Yeb's stance change/parry video you can see it.
SF4 definitely has 2 frame kara-cancels btw. If you check the input display on Yeb's stance change/parry video you can see it.
dragonballjoseph
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So I'm practicing my stick work with Ryu and I can't even SRk super cancel.
I'm getting the hang of the focuses, but I can't grab worth a crap.
I'm getting the hang of the focuses, but I can't grab worth a crap.
Yoshichan
And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
How are you holding your stick?dragonballjoseph said:So I'm practicing my stick work with Ryu and I can't even SRk super cancel.
I'm getting the hang of the focuses, but I can't grab worth a crap.
dragonballjoseph
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Pinky and ring finger under the ball, with my index, middle and ring finger between the light, medium and heavy buttons repectively (default layout).
I'm not understanding this game at all. Finally having someone to play against, I'm playing again. I'm maining Cammy.
Okay, now my friend uses Balrog, and I use Cammy. All of his regular punches beat out my kicks (in both range and priority). When he specials and I'm about to land, I hold back and it doesn't block it. When I special and he's in the air, he holds back and it blocks it just fine. What's up with that? Other than that, he plays fairly defensively and I have no good initiating moves from what I can tell. If I go at him from the air he'll do the headbutt. If I go at him from the ground his punches beat out my kicks. How do I beat him?
Other than that, are there any decent videos showing me the basics of what I need to know? I have a TE stick so pulling off moves isn't that much of a problem (though I can't get the timing right on most combos).
Okay, now my friend uses Balrog, and I use Cammy. All of his regular punches beat out my kicks (in both range and priority). When he specials and I'm about to land, I hold back and it doesn't block it. When I special and he's in the air, he holds back and it blocks it just fine. What's up with that? Other than that, he plays fairly defensively and I have no good initiating moves from what I can tell. If I go at him from the air he'll do the headbutt. If I go at him from the ground his punches beat out my kicks. How do I beat him?
Other than that, are there any decent videos showing me the basics of what I need to know? I have a TE stick so pulling off moves isn't that much of a problem (though I can't get the timing right on most combos).
I could be wrong about this, but I believe there are a few recovery frames when you land. He might be attacking in that window. That's of course unless I imagined this whole thing and he's hitting you while you're still slightly in the air, or you're blocking low and he's using his overhead.TheExodu5 said:
I'm not sure what Cammy's tools against Rog are, but pretty much everyone has tools against him, you just have to dig a little deeper than normal. For example, I really had a hard time with the Rog matchup with Chun-Li. Then I found out her crouching mk goes under all of his dash punches. Also picked up some nice tricks to keep pressure on him on knockdown. I'm sure Cammy has something. If all else fails, Cannon Spike should beat all of his dash punches if you time it right. Spiral Arrow might go under his dash straight to give you a knockdown mix up situation. I'm not much of a Cammy player though. I'm sure others could give you better pointers.
sixteen-bit
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can you describe the specials?
balrog's low rush punch must be blocked low (crouching) and the overhead smash must be blocked standing
and there is no air blocking
balrog's low rush punch must be blocked low (crouching) and the overhead smash must be blocked standing
and there is no air blocking
Procarbine
Forever Platinum
dragonballjoseph said:So I'm practicing my stick work with Ryu and I can't even SRk super cancel.
I'm getting the hang of the focuses, but I can't grab worth a crap.
Got my stick two weeks ago, I feel you man. The best advice I can give you is the hell with all the fancy holding techniques, finger placement, w/e. Sit down and start playing, however you naturally did it will work fine for you. All you have to do is practice and try to contain the rage.
Procarbine said:
Yeah, that's my thing now. I went in thinking I could do all my standard combos no problem since I was vaguely familiar with a stick, but I stopped that and am just practicing basics in training mode/versus mode against CPU and random online matches, and I'm already feeling myself get back into my groove and able to bust out moves on reaction. Still got a long way to go but man when you finally hit that cr lk cr lp hp srk fadc ultra for the first time with you doing the exact correct motions.. the feeling is euphoric...
Majestros said:
Sweeet. I've definitely noticed this, but didn't know how exactly it worked. Uppercutting through fireballs makes more sense now that I have a better understanding of impact freeze. I used to think it was invincibility frames + weird unintuitive hitboxes where there is hitbox space missing or something on the back half of the character.
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Also, i know what a buffer is, but can anyone explain the mechanics of the buffer. I've heard people talking about how capcom somehow has a unique/awesome input buffer.