BigJonsson
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Back in the SNES days it was a capital crime to be cheap in MK or SF2 
I don't really care, its just boring
I don't really care, its just boring
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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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voodoopanda
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BigJonsson said:Back in the SNES days it was a capital crime to be cheap in MK or SF2
I don't really care, its just boring
Sirlin's Playing to Win article
gutter_trash
Banned
muhuhahaha, is the Seth player even serious in the first place for picking him?Lyte Edge said:I was excited to fight someone use Seth, and then this happens. :/
*sigh*
Holy Order Sol
Member
BigJonsson said:
There's no such thing.
MNC said:
If it works for you, why would it be weird?
I'd do that on a 360 controller as well, but with the shitty dpad I'll often end up jumping when I want to dash, so I keep my hands off the thing. It's my only option right now, since I'm waiting for my fightpad to arrive. Trying to make the best of using the analogue stick, but it still feels very awkward, especially full circle motions.
I haven't seen anything I would label "cheap" in SF4 yet.
There's a lot of cheap shit in SFII Turbo, but not so much has been found yet in SF4. Everything I've researched that I thought might be "cheap" in fact had some sort of counter or solution so far. The game is still young though.
There's a lot of cheap shit in SFII Turbo, but not so much has been found yet in SF4. Everything I've researched that I thought might be "cheap" in fact had some sort of counter or solution so far. The game is still young though.
Holy Order Sol
Member
arstal said:
Why would I do that ? :lol
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
you know, i never got why your opponent is allowed to see who you pick online. wouldnt it be smarter if selection was hidden from the other dude to avoid counter picking that involves running down all 30 seconds?
and on that note is blanka a common counterpick for viper?
and on that note is blanka a common counterpick for viper?
Attack You
Member
Jesus, people... If you don't see the little mic icon for me in the lobby, chances are, I'm not using a headset and therefore you DO NOT have to keep rambling incoherently for the next goddamned half hour! I've run into far too many people that are apparently in love with the sound of their own voices or have mastered the art of holding a conversation with themselves or something. I hear them all through the match, in the lobby, on the selection screen -- but I can't make out anything being said because the volume is too low. What kind of mental deficiency must you have to keep talking to someone that is blatantly ignoring you?
qcf x2 said:
This bothers me to. Some characters like Rose and Dan sync together at the start of their ultras (so Dans fist can actually connect with a dudes cheek, Roses robe can wrap around an arm, etc), so they have priority if it ever connects with anyone. Sucks them right in, making it easy to land the super.
Other dudes like Rufus and Sagat dont have ultras like this, but they seem to always juggle dudes perfectly. I have never seen the first hit of either one of those guys's ultras hit, but then fail to juggle.
Chun Li on the other hand has to make sure the dude juggles properly in the Ultra, or they'll fall out of it easily even if it lands. And if the dude isnt in the corner, the ultra will never juggle if they are in the air. I wonder if this different ultra design was done purposefully or was just happenstance.
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
That article contradicts itself by saying there are limits to playing to win. I never liked it for that reason.voodoopanda said:
FindMyFarms
Member
BloodElfHunter said:
Actually, this is NOT what you want to do lol. Especially the air fireball part. Most characters can hurt you A LOT if you just spam air fireball. The only time you should be using it is jumping in, occasionally, or after a knockdown as a meaty so you can mix up your sweep or overhead.
Akuma's fireball is decent, but it's nowhere near Sagat's. You want to stay in your S.FK range and try to bait something so you can punish with that. He also has great cr. mk.
Fireball + Air Fireball spam is only going to work on scrubs.
Suburban Cowboy
Member
so is there a generally accepted tier list yet?
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
Counter picking is apparently intended to be a part of the game.-COOLIO- said:
FindMyFarms
Member
jordan0386 said:
-Gouken can't do his double fireball technique all the time, it takes ex. Just block it and know that your opponent just wasted bar.
-Never jump in on Ken (or anyone for that matter.)
-COOLIO-
The Everyman
but only 1 person can do it.SapientWolf said:
do they not see the flaw?!?!
its like when i was playing pokemon 64 with a friend and he'd call out charizard, then id call out blastoise, then he'd switch out for zapdos. and neither of us would attack, and i just remembered thinking how broken this game was.
MIMIC said:
I'm getting thumb pain too, in the joint where my thumbs meet my hand. I got pain when I first started using the 360 controller too though, so maybe I just need to get used to it.
Lyte Edge said:
Sometimes I do this, but even if the other guy picks his character immediately, I STILL wait til there's one second and then pick ken or sagat.
Liferebooted
Banned
You dezsrve to be dced on.Timedog said:
Timedog said:
I wish I could get used to it but I was starting to get a bit concerned. The tip of my thumb is completely numb (starting to corrode with dead skin). Both my thumbs are double-jointed and I can snap them back and forth and if you listen closely you can hear the bone popping. Now when I do my left one, it hurts
SapientWolf
Trucker Sexologist
I guess it depends on how fast you can choose in the last few seconds. The character selection process can be kind of a game in and of itself.-COOLIO- said:
Holy Order Sol
Member
SapientWolf said:
Nothing wrong with the limits being commonly accepted tournament rules.
Just had an interesting session. Won all my matches although I only had about four. Most were great come from behind wins. One match was against a Ryu where he did absolutely nothing the first round (I mean nothing, like no movement at all) and then all of a sudden he comes alive to fireball spam me to death in the second round. Thank god for cammy's ex hooligan that's all I can say. Spun over his bullshit fireball spam attempts and threw him to the shithouse in the third round and won the match. In another match my right bumper button stopped working during the final round, that's my HK button and my most relied on button press full stop. Had to win that one with medium kick. Next game I played was a five rounder against a Zangief. After losing the first two rounds while fiddling around with my HK button (which still was fucked and not working) I resorted back to my MK button. It was messy, cumbersome and it was damn well lucky, but I managed to win in five. Ultimately I owe it all to hooligan, I love hooligan.
FindMyFarms
Member
Balb said:
If you look at ANY activity, rules are always changed by experts on said activity. For example, basketball introduced the shot clock to make games better and prevent people from hogging the ball with 15 minutes left if they had a 2 point lead.
I didn't read the article, but the rules that scrubs try to implement usually have no bearing on the game as whole, just themselves.
voodoopanda
Member
I'd say there's a difference between saying throws or fireballs are cheap, and saying that hidden, purposefully overpowered boss characters you need a code to unlock shouldn't be used in competitive play, which is basically what Sirlin says.
letsbereasonable
Member
I still don't understand why anyone finds Sirlin's article all that enlightening.
Artificially holding one's self back isn't a concept exclusive to fighting games or even games in general; people find odd reasoning or justification for limiting themselves in all parts of life.
Besides, it seems like the SF/fighting game communities picks and chooses too much of out of the "playing to win" manifesto, anyway.
Artificially holding one's self back isn't a concept exclusive to fighting games or even games in general; people find odd reasoning or justification for limiting themselves in all parts of life.
Besides, it seems like the SF/fighting game communities picks and chooses too much of out of the "playing to win" manifesto, anyway.
Attack You
Member
Those of you fed up with counter-picks, Random welcomes you with open arms. It's guaranteed fun, and you get the satisfaction of psyching out your opponents in more ways than one. "lolz, they gave you Gen... Wait, why the hell am I still losing?!?!"
RedAssedApe
Banned
Balb said:
In a tournament setting everyone is agreeing to abide by those rules when they enter (i.e. not picking O. Sagat or Akuma in Super Turbo). Its not really the same as me randomly walking into an arcade and proclaiming to everyone that challenges me that throws are cheap and not allowed and that you have a 10 fireball limit per round. You can't expect people to change their play style to accommodate you...not if you want to ever be any good.
FindMyFarms
Member
arstal said:
I'd take that over the crab dribble lol.
FindMyFarms said:
That sounds pretty boring. Imagine what would happen if teams had a strategy of abusing the foul rules and brought the pace of the game to a screeching halt right near the end. That would never fly on my local court, we played by gentlemen's rules.arstal said:
Really, most team sports don't make for very good analogies. The rules are essentially fixed to create a balance of offense and defense for each team. That kind of thinking actually leads to the complaints in Street Fighter. Some people get annoyed when their opponents are playing too much offense/defense, and they don't realize it's their own responsibility to turn that around.
I last read Sirlin's article when it was just a long essay pretty much, before he turned it into an entire book. From what I remember though, he only criticizes bad game design. Anything goes in terms of actual strategy.
FindMyFarms
Member
lawblob said:
I'm at 120 hours...and that's only on games under MY account. I don't want to think about the rest lol.
What i don't like is when i criticize game design and then people link the playing to win article on reaction like it settles any argument and is the answer to any problem anyone might have with a fighting game. People need to learn to read and think critically instead of deifying sirlin or seth killian or whomever.