bumpkin said:I'd agree with you except that it seems like GameStop gave priority to the people who reserved it online. They basically said "screw you" to those of us who physically went to the store and reserved one. That's what pissed me off.
You know, I was in the same camp; downright refused to play SF with a joystick, even back in the SNES/arcade days. But I made the conscious effort to learn to play on the stick and I can say that I'm probably on the same level I was with a d-pad now. Mind you I was never a "great" player, but I could put up a heck of a fight.
C- Warrior said:I really wish people would fuckin play as vega in a competitive environment before saying shit like "tiers don't matter, vega isn't really all that bad."
No mother fucker, he is bad. He can never really dish out a large damage at once. He can only chip chip chip away. However, in many instances he can be totally fucked, i.e -- a blocked wall attacked, catching me on the end of a backflip or roll, the shitty anti-air that he doesn't have, being thrown 24/7 because Vega's pokes are all slow, getting stuck in a corner. Oh wait, nevermind, I can jump off a wall and do an attack that does like 20 points of damage!!! Oh wait, shit nevermind -- since I blocked an attack, I lost my claw, now I just do 10 points of damage.
Vega is the only shitty character who gets SHITTIER during the match. That's a title not even Dan can house.
Shishka said:I'll keep at it just because I'm terribly addicted to this game.
Chun Li is a LOT of fun, partly just because people aren't used to fighting her, and partly because she's so fragile that you have to be careful to avoid any punishment.
And when you send someone flying through the air with a combo or even just EX sbk, you can almost hear them recoil in horror. Played well, those massive legs of hers can really intimidate someone.
TurtleSnatcher said:I'd say El Fuerte is Vegas Best Matchup. He owns him on the ground since he can flip out on wake up and Fuerte still has issues with him in the air even if jump back HK may be somewhat reliable.
The pokes and the back flip (I know lol) actually can stop Fuerte from his grabs and jumps.
EDIT:
Alright.. I'm locking my 2 Madcatz fight pads up tonight.. And not touching them. I'm going to force myself on the TE stick. I hate you all.
TurtleSnatcher said:EDIT:
Alright.. I'm locking my 2 Madcatz fight pads up tonight.. And not touching them. I'm going to force myself on the TE stick. I hate you all.
C- Warrior said:Oh my god dude.
The next time you play a Vega player, instead of doing the same 'wake-up' retard tostada slam or whatever the fuck El fuerte players do, use gotta think.
simply dash forward, and throw Vega the next time a Vega player does those flips on wake-up.
TurtleSnatcher said:I was dude.. I purposely did propellers because the recovery time of me landing when you flipped is actually faster then even a single flip when timed right and everytime I did it I was either teched your threw me.. Not sure if it was lag. But its really tough. Hell even on SRK the Vega forum says its a 7 to 3 matchup on the matchup thread in favor of Vega and I completly agree.
Tashi0106 said:Hai guise! I just started a stream on justin.tv where I'm currently(and probably mostly) stream me playing Street Fighter IV...I main with Cammy but also can play with Sakura and Ryu. It's my first week back after a few months off so I'm definitely scrub. I'll mostly be playing ranked unless I get some friendly challenges which I'm definitely up for. Anyway, here is the link...http://www.justin.tv/tashi23
Watch some sf4 and chat and maybe help a shitty sf4 player out lol
C- Warrior said:The match up is like that because El Fuerte players don't adjust. They try to use the same concept that works with other match ups against Vega.
However, to defend against Vega, you do the same thing that dominates like the other characters. Only your offense has to change.
To defend against Vega, focus attack (dash) my wall attacks, or do an early timed back jump kick or heavy punch.
Get ready to block in other direction when I have an EX built.
And as for offense, stop fuckin running around like a goddamn jumping bean, and just use regular attacks and throws and pin me in a corner.
It's 7:3 match up because El Fuerte players are retarded and keep running all over the fuckin map waiting to press medium punch (aka their WIN button). That's what I (as a Vega player) WANT YOU TO DO.
dralla said:i got my TE stick about 3 weeks ago and forced myself to use it after some initial suckage. it eventually clicked somewhere along those 3 weeks. try and experiment with how you hold the stick, it took me about 3-4 different ways before I found the one I use now. I would avoid online, it's much more frustrating losing to another player than a CPU. experiment with different characters, not just the ones you normally use. I feel perfectly fine using the buttons now, don't have to think about the placement like I did when I first starting 'sticking'. i still struggle with some movements but I'm hopefull I'll get them down. this is my last week of the semester so I should have a good amount of time to practice starting next week.
and you use vega? charge characters are sooo much easier on the stick.
Easiest thing to do is probably just do a meaty slide, meaty cross-up jumping fierce, meaty f.MK as Fuerte.C- Warrior said:Oh my god dude.
The next time you play a Vega player, instead of doing the same 'wake-up' retard tostada slam or whatever the fuck El fuerte players do, use gotta think.
simply dash forward, and throw Vega the next time a Vega player does those flips on wake-up.
Start doing your own jumping fierce cross-ups as Fuerte to cross-up spamming Ryus.MIMIC said:I wonder who I'll see in the final. A "I can only do cross-ups" Ryu, no doubt.
/rant
Arde5643 said:Start doing your own jumping fierce cross-ups as Fuerte to cross-up spamming Ryus.
Arpharmd B said:That's a really good point, but I'm just trying to point out that bottom tier shouldn't be dismissed just because they are not as good as the rest of the cast. Some people enjoy the challenge and invest hardcore amounts of time learning these characters, simple blanket statements like "Vega Sucks LoLZ" and whatnot are disrespectful and misguided.
For example I piloted Q to many a victories in the old 3rd Strike days, commanding much respect and I had alot of fun doing it. 3rd Strike is a hell of a lot less balanced than 4, yet it is not uncommon to see Q, Hugo, or Necro players placing high back in the day.
The point of that video was to show that it is possible to get good results with Claw. Subsequently, I would care to wager that Claw player would wipe the floor with 90% of Live and PSN. But, if he's that good I guess he should have invested time in Sagat, right? Then he'd be the best ever, right? Now you understand my argument.
Arde5643 said:I hope for the next iteration, they'll at least give Vega invincibility on start-up with EX Scarlet Terror or EX Wall-jump. The poor guy badly needs one to escape from corners and wake-ups.
I don't think it's worth spending 2 stocks of EX meter for that, especially when you can use em for EX-Headbutts instead on defense.Threi said:hmm hhs fadc into oichi...i should try that
Dr.Hadji said:How is everyone's general PSN connection quality? Mine has been garbage for awhile now. I'm lucky to get two bars. Is it me, or is PSN kinda suck?
Some nice tricks and tips you can start using as Guile in Champ mode.MIMIC said:I've been playing as Guile in Championship so far. I saw your post about the Fuerte a little while and I've been anxious to try that out.
gilley said:Actually, this video is really important. It opened up my eyes a bit about this theory I had back when I had my arcade SF4. Back then, I was practicing lvl2 FA > dash > b+rh > c.strong > SB > backfist all day cause the b+rh combos after a lvl2 FA are his most damaging combos he can do(without meter). It's really what you should be attempting to do after a FA, if it weren't for one thing....it's friggin hard! The 1 frame link from b+rh > c.strong is rough.
So anyways, when I was practicing those combos back in the day I noticed the b+rh > c.strong was easier to do sometimes than others. What I noticed was that the b+rh seemed to be hitting "later" in it's animation on the times the combo was easier. I theorized at this time that the b+rh might be hitting "meaty", which will make the next hit easier to connect.
It wasn't until I saw this video that I put 2 and 2 together. In that video, Guile does lvl2 FA > b+rh > s.fierce (close). If you look at the frame data b+rh is +4 on hit and s.fierce (close) has 5 frames of startup. This means under normal circumstances, Guile should not be able to combo these. Meaty attacks can allow for impossible combos sometimes, and this is one of those cases. That's what this Guile is doing in this video, he's making the b+rh hit meaty.
So, how do you get b+rh to hit meaty after a Lvl2 FA? Back when I had my arcade unit, I would get it to hit meaty just by mashing the hell out of my roundhouse button really fast after the dash-in. But as we have recently discovered, there's this new trick called p-link/kara linking. So I thought about trying this technique to get the b+rh to hit meaty....It works! After Guile dashes in after a lvl2/3 FA crumple, just tap b+roundhouse~forward right as Guile is coming out of his dash. This will insure that you get the b+rh the very first frame you come out of the dash. Getting that roundhouse input the instant you come out of dash is the key to getting b+rh to hit meaty and thus giving you +5 frame advantage after it. At this point it will make c.strong easy to combo. You wont even have to p-link/kara link this one if you don't want to.
This p-link/kara link thing really really helps Guile out alot! I'm loving it :woot:
damnit.. These type of comments make me not want to go to Stick now..FindMyFarms said:TURTLESNATCHER
I'm tellin you man! If you prefer pad stick with it! Everyone saying that "stick is so much better" as if it's a fact are flat out wrong. There's probably TWO things that you can do better on a stick vs pad, Kara's and Piano inputs. If you find yourself using neither, I can't think of any reason to use a stick. SRK's are easier to do, "I can fadc like butter", etc. etc., all that stuff is just preference.
Remember, it's about what YOU like using. Stick vs Pad is preference and nothing else.
I did El Fuertes Hard Trial on a pad but it took 12 hours of daily grinding to get just 3 hits which I can get maybe .5% of the time lol.FindMyFarms said:Don't get me wrong, I still think it's important to know how to use a stick in case you ever go to an arcade or play at group session. But your main input of choice is still just your personal preference.
Also, RSF is just as easy to do on pad as it is on stick. I have no problem at all doing it on pad, and there was also that guy(in this thread) that posted youtube vids of him doin it on a xbox pad of all things.
TurtleSnatcher said:damnit.. These type of comments make me not want to go to Stick now..
The thing though I hear is that RSF for Fuerte is immensely better on a stick and thats just something I need to push myself to use if I ever want to use him to his full potential.
dralla said:u got pwned by the scrubiest ryu player ever. use your ultra on whiffed dragon punches. that's all he did on wakeup, bait it out and punish him.
Threi said:something is really, really wrong with either XBL or SFIV. The online is atrocious right now, pretty much as bad (if not worse) than SSBB random matches.
XBL has been REALLY wonky for me since Saturday.Threi said:something is really, really wrong with either XBL or SFIV. The online is atrocious right now, pretty much as bad (if not worse) than SSBB random matches.
MIMIC said:Then I had to beat a fireball spamming Gouken that threw me up in the air and Ultraed me....TWICE.
/rant
TurtleSnatcher said:Fuerte's regular attacks are horrid shit minus RSF (which is so hard to do) and LP and F+MK (his overhead) His jumping Fierce stuff is good.. Ill just have to be more patient like you say...
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I use Fuerte.. though I agree with Vega I am a god with a stick.
To say that Vegas are equivalent in crappiness to Fuertes is beyond me..C- Warrior said:This is true. Fuerte's attacks don't do that much damage. But Vega's don't either, so you're not particulary at a disadvantage. But the worst thing to do is use Fuerte's specials and runs, that leaves you open for my off the wall attacks. It's better to just use regular rush down moves.
It's wierd for me. It's like the bars are flipped. 2 bars is playable. 4 bars crashes as soon as the "Round 1 Fight!" text starts to fade.Archie said:XBL has been REALLY wonky for me since Saturday.
MIMIC said:It's kinda hard playing a flowchart Ken now :lol You kinda have to guess whether or not they're still stupid enough to do FLAMING SHORYUKEN after every knockdown. I get the ones that do it 60% of the time. After I go in to throw, "D'OH! I could have punished that"
GalacticAE said:FUCK
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v448/Sig552AE/0511092342.jpg
My flaws were just magnified x10.
Edit: Yea, I'm on CRT. Yea I'm poor.