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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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Rice-Eater
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I find that SRK mashers are starting to become more intelligent with there mashing. Either that or my block strings aren't connecting, someone let me know if I'm getting it wrong. But anyways this Ken I use to beat all the time finally learns how to block cross ups and now he has been going even with me lately and his weapon, turtling and mashing SRK through my strings.
But he's kind of unpredictable. Sometimes he doesn't do it, sometimes he does it at the beginning of my jump in, sometimes he waits to block a jab or two. Kind of tricky for someone like me. He's doing nothing advance or intermediate, no hit confirms, no FADC into Ultra, no kara throws, it's like he's a evolved flowchart. And I feel so shitty whenever I lose to him.
But I must say, before I criticize others I must admit I mash through block strings myself here and there. Maybe I'm no different than these guys, except I can do some of those things I mentioned above. Oh well, fuck it, I might as well do it to if you're going to screw up your links
But he's kind of unpredictable. Sometimes he doesn't do it, sometimes he does it at the beginning of my jump in, sometimes he waits to block a jab or two. Kind of tricky for someone like me. He's doing nothing advance or intermediate, no hit confirms, no FADC into Ultra, no kara throws, it's like he's a evolved flowchart. And I feel so shitty whenever I lose to him.
But I must say, before I criticize others I must admit I mash through block strings myself here and there. Maybe I'm no different than these guys, except I can do some of those things I mentioned above. Oh well, fuck it, I might as well do it to if you're going to screw up your links
FindMyFarms
Member
Mashing is good in this game.
@rice don't forget that ryu has a fireball, I remember when we played you barely threw them lol.
@rice don't forget that ryu has a fireball, I remember when we played you barely threw them lol.
Rice-Eater said:I find that SRK mashers are starting to become more intelligent with there mashing. Either that or my block strings aren't connecting, someone let me know if I'm getting it wrong. But anyways this Ken I use to beat all the time finally learns how to block cross ups and now he has been going even with me lately and his weapon, turtling and mashing SRK through my strings.
But he's kind of unpredictable. Sometimes he doesn't do it, sometimes he does it at the beginning of my jump in, sometimes he waits to block a jab or two. Kind of tricky for someone like me. He's doing nothing advance or intermediate, no hit confirms, no FADC into Ultra, no kara throws, it's like he's a evolved flowchart. And I feel so shitty whenever I lose to him.
But I must say, before I criticize others I must admit I mash through block strings myself here and there. Maybe I'm no different than these guys, except I can do some of those things I mentioned above. Oh well, fuck it, I might as well do it to if you're going to screw up your links
Or it could be lag. You may think you're timing is off but it's the retarded online netcode. Stuff I can easily do offline tends not to work a lot during certain online matches. It's aggravating when you put all the time into practicing that stuff but the timing is very different online.
FindMyFarms said:
What I do vs mashers is simply jump kick/something I know will combo and looks like a hard link, nothing. They SRK, I then do low fwd/headbutt/taunt. Taunt is to let them know you knew what they were doing.
Then next time you do an oichio tick. If they're scrubs they'll mentally fall apart right then.
Note: this won't work against good players, just scrubs you want to get through.
FindMyFarms
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arstal said:
I'm talking about Mashing as an execution technique.
If someone does an ultra and you can reversal, instead of trying to time it perfectly, mashing qcf KKK gets you more consistent results, even the pro players do it.
jaundicejuice
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Fun games Hitokage, despite our craptastic connection all of the matches were pretty lag free.
FindMyFarms
Member
Kaako said:
Yeah the lag would go down a lot. GGPO is the shit.
jaundicejuice
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Hitokage said:
Dude I laughed my ass off when you landed that one Ultra to finish the round. The end pose of that move always cracks me up.
FindMyFarms
Member
Kaako said:
Actually they did license GGPO. And then they didn't use it. How's that for mind boggling. Though I think they used it for HDremix
GGPO is mainly on pc, dl the program and the supported games and have fun w/ lagless fighting!
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat?! For shame Capcom, for shame.
I really hope the netcode in the new one is a lot more improved though. Lobby system will be freaking sick (better late than never). I just wanna see you pros play live and comment. This will improve the community and my game hopefully as a whole tremendously.
I really hope the netcode in the new one is a lot more improved though. Lobby system will be freaking sick (better late than never). I just wanna see you pros play live and comment. This will improve the community and my game hopefully as a whole tremendously.
Rice-Eater
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I hardly zone, I prefer to play rush down. Not that I'm good at either, but I feel more comfortable playing aggressive then zoning. I'll zone against characters like Zangief but I feel kind of lost and nervous when zoning against quicker characters because I can't DP on reaction. Also I end up eating jump ins a lot because many of my opponents can seemingly jump on reaction over my fireballs when we're close to each other, something I can't seem to ever do to them unless I was just lucky.
FindMyFarms
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Rice-Eater said:
Zoning is actually an integral part of rush down offense. You have to keep them in one spot in order to make them eat your attacks. Once they feel like they can't move, that's when you go in for the kill.
With regards to fireballs, it's not that they do it on reaction, it's that 90% of players feel uncomfortable at that range and instinctively jump forward. With players that you don't have a read on, I promise you if you just stand there, more than likely they'll jump, which is a free cr. fp for you (if you have a hard to DP'ing on reaction)
FindMyFarms
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I'm hopping onto PSN (FindMyFarms) for my late night pad session if anyone feels like taking advantage of me
edit - How hard do most people here press buttons on their joystick? I pretty much smash mine which tends to wake anyone/thing up in a 10 mile radius.
edit - How hard do most people here press buttons on their joystick? I pretty much smash mine which tends to wake anyone/thing up in a 10 mile radius.
TurtleSnatcher
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So I just went 15-1 agst a guy named 'SF4 Sucks' lolz..
He wasn't very good though he had a decent icon and stuff..
I then ran into a guy named "Vipers Daddy" who was pretty decent with Viper. Beat his Viper with my Gen.. then he switched to Ryu as I switched to Fuerte.. Destroyed him. Ryu is one of my fav match ups with Fuerte.
Then he switched to Sakura and I kept Fuerte and perfected him on my 2nd round win..
He wasn't very good though he had a decent icon and stuff..
I then ran into a guy named "Vipers Daddy" who was pretty decent with Viper. Beat his Viper with my Gen.. then he switched to Ryu as I switched to Fuerte.. Destroyed him. Ryu is one of my fav match ups with Fuerte.
Then he switched to Sakura and I kept Fuerte and perfected him on my 2nd round win..
FindMyFarms
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TurtleSnatcher said:
U showoff
Lost Fragment
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FindMyFarms said:
I pound mine pretty hard. I also tend to push buttons multiple times for certain moves without thinking about it. Trying to break both those habits.
FindMyFarms
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>>Crispy Creme Links!<<
Also a really good match between Marn and Andre, excellent dictator play.
OH yeah here's the 2nd half of the money match -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5klLMXHiho4
Andre beating Marn makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I LOVE Andre's M. Bison play, it's so fluid.
His rushdown is balls to the wall but at the same time not wreckless and takes all reversals into account, truly a beauty to watch. It's awesome seeing him suffocate his opponents in the corner.
Also a really good match between Marn and Andre, excellent dictator play.
OH yeah here's the 2nd half of the money match -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5klLMXHiho4
Andre beating Marn makes me feel warm and fuzzy. I LOVE Andre's M. Bison play, it's so fluid.
His rushdown is balls to the wall but at the same time not wreckless and takes all reversals into account, truly a beauty to watch. It's awesome seeing him suffocate his opponents in the corner.
FindMyFarms said:
HDRemix and MVC2 used their own rollback netcode. Not as good as GGPO.
As for Blazblue I have not seen any info on the company licensing GGPO for use in BB, however I would not be shocked to hear that they have. Since, it easily has the best netcode of any console fighter to date.
Ponder (Dude behind GGPO algorithm.) pointed out that GGPO has fixed amount of latency. For example in a 125ms ping game the input delay is only 2 frames.
Also quote;
"Fixed input latency also helps insure that a player with a persistently bad connection will not impact the quality of a match for users with a superb connection because the delay can be shared. For example, if I'm using 3 frames of input delay and you're using 0 frames, we can actually share the 3 frames of benefit by running my copy of the game 1.5 frames ahead of yours. That both of our packets sent over the network an extra 25 ms of time to run across the Internet before manifesting themselves as a rollback. Stated another way: it makes a 120 ms game play more like a 70 ms game. That's a huge win.
Most players cannot tell the difference between 0 and 2 frames of input latency. Those people would absolute prefer a much smoother online experience to having their moves come out a tiny fraction of a second sooner. Tournament players: put down your pitchforks! There are those of us who can detect as much as 1 frame of latency. Those of us who bought that specific Samsung flat-screen LCD rather than the cheaper Sony one because the Sony one added display-lag. Those players shoud be allowed to throttle down the frame-delay all the way to 0 to preserve the exact, offline timing they've spent 10-years of accumulated muscle memory perfecting. I've been using this system of 0-9 frames of fixed, configurable input delay for a while on GGPO and it's been working great."
I do this too, which causes me to screw up what I'm trying to do most of the time. Sometimes I don't even press the right button or I hit the button too late.Lost Fragment said:
If you guys run into me I suck lol. My GT - Falco211
I am trying main Balrog and started playing again last week.
Crab Milk Mickey
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What's worse if that I've played Dhalsims before who make a lot of mistakes (possibly because they might not be used to mirror matches), and yet they can pull off that combo no problem. Even on a standard 360 pad when I ask what their preferred controller is. It's driving me nuts.TurtleSnatcher said:
Nah, I rely too much on gimmicks with him. Can't even use his basic links consistently, and they're not even that hard to do.Dascu said:
Threi said:
Perhaps I should have added in my previous post that I was talking about Dhalsim vs Bison specifically, because my knowledge about match-ups with any other character (even in general) is next to non-existant. ;pHitokage said:
Also: Abel ain't no Necro.
SuperMattyFighter2T
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ignore this post! wrong sf thread.
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FindMyFarms said:
:lol "No offense to white people"
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blanka slide should have punished those turtle fireballs pretty effectively if you don't sit at full screen?jaundicejuice said:
FindMyFarms
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Yo GG's to Sollune! Thanks for accepting the late night pad challenge :lol
FindMyFarms said:
After facing you I wish I hadn't! Jokes.
This man is fucking good, and he gave me the worst fucking beatdown I've ever taken.
Never felt so much pressure that I messed up basic links and specials.
I won't make any excuses though, it really put my perspective on people playing competitively and casually.
FindMyFarms said:
Whaaaaaaaaaaat.
Nicest Bison I've ever seen man! Bison's been one of my top three mains for the last month now, and my philosophy with all of my characters is rush down all day, but I just had to take some mental notes from that match - shit man.
Most fun match I've seen in a long time, especially with the commentary - no matter what, I'm throwing in Street Fighter IV when I get home today and hitting the training room - I've been neglecting it for almost a week now...
Rice-Eater
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Solune said:
I know how it feels, I went 0-22 against FMF. And I kept missing links that I normally get and missed every FADC Ultra and trade Ultra opportunity that came my way. I don't mean to be making excuses for you and me, but I think there is some nervousness involved when you're playing against someone who is just way out of your league.
Oh and Andre has the sickest Bison I've ever seen. I wonder who knocked him out at Evo, he totally schooled Mike Watson who is a legend in the community and has a solid Ryu. Beating Marn like he did further solidifies how good he is. I'd like to see how he matches up against top players throughout the nation besides just NYC.
sixteen-bit
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my god the commentary
sixteen-bit
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with Abel, cr.HP, LK Marseilles Roll, cr.LP, LK Marseilles Roll, Tornado ThrowDizzy-4U said:
or instead of the TT, you can attempt another launcher
TurtleSnatcher
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Andre does have an awesome Bison.