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The Official Street Fighter IV Thread of FADCing a Stranger in the Alps
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sixteen-bit
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anyone have any videos of these cool 1-frame Ultra links performed in actual tournament or high level play? It would be awesome to see!
TimeKillr said:With Abel I do 1-frame links consistently (not to Ultra though, since he has none).
But yeah, it's cute and stuff, but not that practical.
From basic reading of the frame data, Cammy and Blanka also have some (Cammy off her c.HP!)
Step kick to s.hp (1-frame) to cod to fadc c.hp to ultra is a big big ultra combo if you can pull it off consistently. That's pretty much the easiest way to do cod to fadc without trying random cod or them making a mistake.
sixteen-bit
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at least you've got st.rh and perfect teeth.Threi said:
TurtleSnatcher
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Not SF4 related.. but thought it was a cool box art for the US
black_vegeta
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RoboJ said:
I'm kinda getting fed up with Dictator. His inability to turn around a match is starting to get really old. Your opponent has to fail completely, again and again, in order for you to score a decent comeback.
Agreed.
I restorted to getting off the Dictator's sack and going with Boxer and Viper. Last night I fought a decent Akuma. I was down in the final round and was able to use a BnB combo into ultra to win the match with Balrog. That would have been difficult with Dictator in my opinion.
The plain fact, I stink with Dictator. :-(
FindMyFarms
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TimeKillr said:With Abel I do 1-frame links consistently (not to Ultra though, since he has none).
Big difference being you can Plink Abel's 1-frames, while you can't plink the ultra.
_dementia said:
Yo thanks homey! Sorry you couldn't connect on your last match. You actually won the coin flip btw :lol :lol
I tried out boxer for some matches and I was in awe at how easy some of the shit i see pros do are to use. Using them properly in the right context takes thinking, yes (same can be said of every character though - its learning what your char can and can't do), but he barely requires any real skill in terms of execution. Yes I am putting that out right now. You don't even need FADC with him, EX Rush Upper does the same thing with 1 bar to spare. Links are crazy easy, shenanigans with proper spacing, and a crouching jab that is as effective as a SRK :lolblack_vegeta said:
Man just thinking if the time i spent using dictator went into using boxer...
That being said fuck boxer, im still part of the Bison legion. Purple army 4 lyfe. I get my wins with him, he is definitely harder to use, but you just fix your playstyle to suit the opponent and outhink them, which is more important than using a better char.
black_vegeta
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Threi said:
Purple army 4 lyfe, :lol. Well fuck, call me Private BV in his evil army.
Yes, Boxer is for teh easy. Now, some reason I have a urge to "master" Viper's difficult ass. I think watching Marn and Uryo wreck shit with her was the deal breaker for me. Her endless amount of possibilities are just mouth watering. Especially when I'm beating some punkass shoto.
Last night I had the best comeback ever, but it was against a Dictator (with Honda). He had me down to a sliver, he was still at perfect, he did a headstomp which failed to kill me, and then went to chip me with the second hit move where I EX headbutted it away. I jump in and stuff whatever he tried to do to me into a a.fp -> HHS -> roundhouse kick. Since I was a chip away from death I jump back, which was the right move because he goes for scissor kicks which miss, I jump back again, then follows up with the slide which I ultra once I hit the ground (just before reaching me). Now he's down to a sliver too, and I jump up and smack his wake-up air stomp away for the win. So satisfying.RoboJ said:
I'm kinda getting fed up with Dictator. His inability to turn around a match is starting to get really old. Your opponent has to fail completely, again and again, in order for you to score a decent comeback.
FMF, what do you mean by Plink again?
FindMyFarms
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LakeEarth said:
Input is pretty much a kara. You press fp ~ mp (but don't let go of fp) if you go to the training mode, inputs read as FP, then FP + MP, which gives you back to back FP inputs essentially making 1 frame links into 2 framers.
edit - fp ~ mp means you press mp 1 frame after you press fp, which is why it's like a kara
When doing a plink, you always kara into the normal weaker than it. So for fk, you plink into mk, for mk you plink into lk, same for the punches. For lp you plink into lk, and for lk you can't plink it.
>>Here's the SRK thread on it<<
FindMyFarms
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LakeEarth said:
True that. Try plinking the fp after f+mk w/ Abel, you'll be surprised how easy it becomes.
Oh for lp links, you do lp ~ lk. Lk is the only normal you can't plink. I'd imagine you'd be doing some finger gymnastics going from a plinked lp to HHS though.
bistromathics
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What is it that makes that a "meaty" jab? I thought "meaty" referred to attacking on wakeupRelix said:
oh man i didnt know thatFindMyFarms said:
Face it Tiger..
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I'm so sorry for flaking out on you GalaticAE.. i had 'nuff work due for today.. i know that isn't an excuse but but please forgive this lil' ol junior .
.bistromathics said:
yeah meaty doesn't make sense. I think what happened was that she was far enough away from opponent that the jab didn't actually hit until later in the animation, which caused the hitstun to trigger later than normal, which gave her enough recovery time to link the ultra.
bistromathics said:
A meaty attack is an attack that hits on the 2nd or more active frame.
In this case, there's three levels of meaty, since the jab has 3 active frames, so you can meaty on frame 2 or 3.
Typically you can only meaty when someone's getting up (it's this way in most games) but in SF4 there are some hitbox-related problems (they are not consistent and move around quite a bit when characters are in hitstun) that cause this sort of meaty to happen. Normally there's no reason to be able to meaty this sort of stuff, but the hitbox waves back and forth and thus the jab hits meaty because the hitbox wasn't there on the 1st active frame but moved towards Chun on the 2nd or 3rd active frame of the jab.
Timedog said:
This is the exact definition of a meaty attack: something that hits on the 2nd or later active frame.
AFAIK SF4 is the only game where a non-wakeup meaty can happen.
Rocky_Balboa
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Any Euro Gaffers up for some player matches? GT: Rokitty (XBL)
GGs Wiseblade. Little bit laggy though, but it was still playable.
GGs Wiseblade. Little bit laggy though, but it was still playable.
Thanks Hito or was it someone else?, that gave me an idea to do this Chun combo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-TI2uSFEZA
Blanka's ultra is 1 frame link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f90xhj8eb3A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-TI2uSFEZA
Blanka's ultra is 1 frame link?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f90xhj8eb3A
Face it Tiger..
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I'm so mortons right now, GalaticAE won't message me back.
fight me
coward T-T, i'm trying to redeem myself.
fight me
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Lost Fragment
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Got drunk. Played championship mode. Picked random.
What I learned from this experiment is that there's a lot of insecure people who play SF4 on XBL. I got an inordinate amount of people talking shit after they kicked my ass compared to usual. How unhappy with your personal life are you to have to make yourself feel good by talking shit after beating a stranger in a video game? :lol
Random is fun though.
What I learned from this experiment is that there's a lot of insecure people who play SF4 on XBL. I got an inordinate amount of people talking shit after they kicked my ass compared to usual. How unhappy with your personal life are you to have to make yourself feel good by talking shit after beating a stranger in a video game? :lol
Random is fun though.
FindMyFarms
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Lost Fragment said:
Hmm... I only talk shit when I lose.
Kadey said:Thanks Hito or was it someone else?, that gave me an idea to do this Chun combo.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-TI2uSFEZA
Whoa that's a really nice combo! I've been trying to add more fadcs for chun and dash legs into my game, this might actually be practical.
it's 5 bars though! unfortunately I don't think it's possible to land the EX SBK in a match. the reason people rip on combos with more than 4 bars, is because once you break that rule, there's lots of easy infinites
FindMyFarms said:
I would've thought this doesn't work because LP+LK=throw. So if you miss your chance to hit LP, there's no point in plinking into throw. But you can plink into cr.LK (cr.LK~LP) because cr.LP+LK=cr.LK.
Eh, combo FADCs are largely a waste of meter with Chun. They're ok in some situations after Kikoukens but they don't help you at all with Hyakuretsu, SBK, or Hazanshu.UC1 said:
It's probably for the best anyway. Damage scaling kicks in pretty hard by then and the Ultra doesn't add much. Same situation with Chun's Hard Trial 5, really.
Hitokage said:
Basically there's some blocked strings which are not punishable by anything (from many different characters), and all you can really do is MP->kikkoken. It gets predictable, and I've found that it's not a bad idea to MP->kikkoken->FADC->sweep_hazanshu. And for 4 bars if you can combo an ultra in that situation, sounds good to me. I play a meterless chun, basically I replace where most people do HK>EX legs with cr.HP>medium bird (more damage), and end up having enough meter to waste on stuff like this.
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FindMyFarms
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UC1 said:
Not exactly sure what you're saying here but if you do Lp~lk input reads as lp, then lp + lk but since lp comes first there's no way a throw registers.
UC1 said:
Chun-Li FADC'ing into anything is completely impractical. Unless you really need some sort of clutch mix-up, there's no advantage for her that comes at the cost of two sets of EX Legs. She pretty much lives and dies by it. Fireball > FADC is about the best you've got but you know what beats that? EX anything else. You risk an easy EX Shoryuken or headbutt to the face if they see the setup.
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Mr Jared said:Chun-Li FADC'ing into anything is completely impractical. Unless you really need some sort of clutch mix-up, there's no advantage for her that comes at the cost of two sets of EX Legs. She pretty much lives and dies by it. Fireball > FADC is about the best you've got but you know what beats that? EX anything else. You risk an easy EX Shoryuken or headbutt to the face if they see the setup.
Yeah setup from knockdown off ex legs is huge for chun.
BTW you were asking about the background between Fanatiq vs. Toan mvc2 26k money match. Fanatiq and Toan got into words over who was better on SRK. Fanatiq was riding the fact that he made evo top 8 twice while Toan only made it once and had a tendency to lose some high profile money matches. Well smack talk turned into $$ lay down, and fanatiq is friends with Hevad Khan, the guy that made the final table for poker at WSOP 2 years ago. Hevad pretty much just wants to see action no matter what, so backed all of Fanatiqs bets with a set payout, which Toan matched everything of. Toan won and you know the rest.
FindMyFarms said:
The whole point of a plink is that if you hit the first part too early (LP) then you can still register the 2nd part (LK) and the first move comes out, except in this case it's just a throw. Basically you can't plink using a command that would be throw, FA or taunt, because only the first input will register as a normal move, so there's no point in plinking if you only get one chance to hit the normal move.
Mr Jared said:
It is just a mixup (probably at longer range than you'd think, it's not really SRK/headbutt range), and I'd only do it with 3-4 bars. Also, I replace cr.LKx2>EX legs with cr.LPx3>HP (more damage, less meter again). I'm fine with 1 bar for the most part, the only things Chun really needs meter for is ex legs in the corner, and ex hazan shu through fireballs n stuff (imo).