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[jon bones]

GREAT news re: guile's second ultra being viable!! hopefully st.HP wasn't nerfed as per original reports and i am soooo gonna guile it up again in Super.

sunglasses are pretty huge, too

 

[sixteen-bit]

Has anyone tested out Makoto's stun potential? Or is Sakura still going to be queen of stun in SSF4 (as far as we know so far)?

You think Sakura is more of a Stun queen than Viper?

 

[Pandaman]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfYQiPSHXoI

i see atleast 800 unscaled stun, so i dont think its safe to say shes taking sakuras place yet. yet. she better have mean stun.

You think Sakura is more of a Stun queen than Viper?

she is.

 

[arstal]

That Honda change was the one change I would have given him. (make the headbutts useable to get out of crossups on wakeup)

That said, I hope Capcom knew what they are doing, hearing some things about chars I thought wouldn't be too good- doesn't sound too good.

Most likely, I got a feeling we're going to end up with another SF4, either via DLC or another disk.

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

i see atleast 800 unscaled stun, so i dont think its safe to say shes taking sakuras place yet. yet. she better have mean stun.


she is.

umm i'd guess they're about the same, maybe Viper by a hair

 

[sixteen-bit]

Adon's health....why?

and Makoto for that matter.

was totally not expecting the misogyny stick to hit her, especially after having Ken/Ryu health in 3S :/

 

[BitchTits]

Is there any footage of Rose using her Soul Reflect -> Soul Throw or Ultra yet?

 

[XenoRaven]

Hmm, so all Viper got was an entry level Ultra? I'd trade that for 50 HP but I see what they're doing.

Eff that. If Chun-Li has to stay in the 900 club, so does Viper. I'm surprised Juri with all her apparently crazy tools has 950, same goes for Ibuki having 900. But what do I know? I suck!

Also, for Vega's Ultra. It's got the same properties as the EX wall dive? So that means it hits you on the way up, goes through and then he comes back at you from the other side? Would that mean he could combo Forward HK into it, or does the Ultra just come out too slow for that to work?

 

[Holy Order Sol]

If you played the game right now and something felt better for you, then wouldn't you trust yourself enough to say that it is better or would you have to wait until frame data to admit it?

Frame Data > *.

 

[Pandaman]

umm i'd guess they're about the same, maybe Viper by a hair

No, i wouldn't agree. sakura can lay down the same amount of stun as viper off of a single meter anywhere on the screen, i'm no viper player but the impression she gives me is that she really needs to work a corner if she wants to SJC for her stun combos.

disregarding youtube combos, sakura really only needs to mix you up once to stun every member of the cast who isn't russian at a cost of two meters spent. [with one build in combo], viper on the otherhand knocks you down alot and has to hit you more often.

viper is a stronger character and has a strong stun based game, but shes second to sakura in this department IMO.

 

[DJ Lushious]

Would that mean he could combo Forward HK into it, or does the Ultra just come out too slow for that to work?

We can only hope.

Vega's changes have me so excited for him. I've mained him the entirety of SF4 and was leaning on picking up a new character for SSFIV, due to a rising level of frustration. With this new development, though, I'm gonna stick with him.

 

[Frank "Trashman" Reynolds]

What the fuck did they do to TU damage!? It's going to be funny seeing all of these Sagat players jumping ship. I'll probably pick up a secondary, but definitely not dropping the King.

Bah, I need to start playing again. I'm going to be hella shitty when Super hits.

 

[XenoRaven]

We can only hope.

More like we can only never play against AZ Greg ever ever ever ever ever again for the rest of forever.

 

[dragonballjoseph]

I am going to have too much fun with Cody.

HA HA! HA HA! HA HA!

 

[sixteen-bit]

anyone notice how Dudley has the coat grab winpose animation... only there is no coat?

maybe he moonlights as a mime

 

[GrayFoxPL]

Thank you noneofexion, Shito.

 

[Myomoto]

I am going to have too much fun with Cody.

HA HA! HA HA! HA HA!

Don't forget the EX stone "HEHEH HEH".

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

It is very strange to me the way things seem to be moving. Many believed Sagat was overpowered in Vanilla a bunch of ways, and some tweaks I can see... though logically, it made sense to me that a 7 foot angry kickboxer was generally the best character in the game. Having such a weak uppercut is just odd.

Who's considered potential tops now? Akuma, Ryu, Dudley, ?

if we gonna do "Logic" than Gouken should be lord:lol

Sagat still has the tools to lay down the same ass smacking he layed down in SF4. He cant do it in 2 and a half combos anymore. The Damage Nerf was need.

 

[DJ Lushious]

Or do Sagat's nerfs just take him down a peg - not necessarily from the absolute top? Is that even possible in light of his changes?

I don't see Sagat being any worse than A tier now. His priority is good and he has a large arsenal of punishing moves. He just won't kill me in four hits anymore. :lol

 

[Leunam]

anyone notice how Dudley has the coat grab winpose animation... only there is no coat?

maybe he moonlights as a mime

He's just flexing dat bicep.

No coat needed.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I don't see Sagat being any worse than A tier now. His priority is good and he has a large arsenal of punishing moves. He just won't kill me in four hits anymore. :lol

But in light of his damage nerfs, also tinkering with his standing short is pretty fucked up :lol

 

[sixteen-bit]

He's just flexing dat bicep.

No coat needed.

yeah I guess

but that patented swing, swing, backturn had me expecting the giant payoff and i was just waiting for it...

and it never came

 

[vg260]

What does the stun number mean?

 

[sixteen-bit]

What does the stun number mean?

How much stun damage they take before the suffer dizzy status

 

[XenoRaven]

What does the stun number mean?

Which one? Each attack does regular damage and "stun damage". The amount of stun each character can take varies, and is invisible to the player.

 

[vg260]

EDIT: ^^^ah I see. So the higher a character's stun level, the more stun points he can take until getting dizzy?

I dunno. I've just seen stun numbers thrown out, but not sure what it means. For example Balrog's Dirty Bull does lower damage but has a stun of 800 or something. (that could be way off, I'm going by memory)

 

[DryEyeRelief]

though logically, it made sense to me that a 7 foot angry kickboxer was generally the best character in the game.

I don't know. Aesthetically, I'd be afraid of the chinese assassin who can kill you with facebook pokes.

 

[RS4-]

I dunno. I've just seen stun numbers thrown out, but not sure what it means. For example Balrog's Dirty Bull does lower damage but has a stun of 800 or something. (that could be way off, I'm going by memory)

I think it does 700.

Lets say Ryu has 1000 stun total.
Rog ultra does 700; Rog has to land another 300 stun damage to dizzy Ryu.

After that, Ryu's stun goes higher to lessen the chance if a redizzy. I think it goes up another 100-150

 

[vg260]

I think it does 700.

Lets say Ryu has 1000 stun total.
Rog ultra does 700; Rog has to land another 300 stun damage to dizzy Ryu.

I see. Thanks.

 

[the_log_ride]

Geez, just got through all the new info. I don't know where to start.
-On paper Dudley and T.Hawk (MEAT TANK) look really damn good.
-wtf @ the lowered damage on the DPs (Cammy & Sagat really got hammered; AA ryu DP only 50 lol)
-Hearing that you CAN throw Boxer out of his rush punches still. 'Glad about that
-What's the talk about Ryu's fireball traps not being viable? Is it just the 'bait neutral jump, super' trick?
-Claw players must be happy with that U1 change. Fucker just got more scary for me now. 'Gotta study that matchup more
-Deejay being the new and improved Guile seems unlikely now. Maybe they should have left the crumple off of EX dreadkick in?

There's so much more info that's just floating through my head. Some of these changes for sure will affect dem flowcharters. Less mashed out DPs on wakeup or in general is always a good thing. It extends to the 'Gief players with the new Lariat. Overall, I'm just anxious to start playing.

Kinda weird to see the changes to Sagat. He could have used some tweaks, but I'm not sure if the changes made were the best that could have been done. The Uppercut changes seem extreme. I would have kept him with the same HP, or left his St.LK alone. I dunno. We'll see how this plays out.

No news on 'Sim makes me sad, though I'm not surprised since hardly anyone plays him. But I was happy to see the impression that he could possibly give Dudley pressure with his crouching normals.


FUUUUUUUUUU

13 DAYS UNTIL ANNOUNCEMENT @ JPN NAT'L TOURNEY
36 DAYS UNTIL DAT SUPER ARRIVES! (5 Weeks, 1 Day)

 

[RS4-]

Yeah log ride, the Ryu fb trap is supercancel only; nothing like how it was in 3s and vanilla.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I am trying to play through Final Fantasy XIII and God of War 3, but my heart is not in it...all I can think about is SSFIV....so god damn hyped.

 

[Cromulent_Word]

No news on 'Sim makes me sad, though I'm not surprised since hardly anyone plays him.

A lot of my time playing SSFIV was against the dude who (amongst other things) made the game Trixel. He plays the best Sim I've ever played against. When i post my impressions tomorrow i will try to remember to post anything i can about him.

 

[Shin Kojima]

I am trying to play through Final Fantasy XIII and God of War 3, but my heart is not in it...all I can think about is SSFIV....so god damn hyped.

I have the same problem. I can't focus on any other games at the moment. I actually returned White Knight Chronicles and FFXIII to the store. All I play is SFIV, and even then I'm wishing it was Super.

 

[BotoxAgent]

I have the same problem. I can't focus on any other games at the moment. I actually returned White Knight Chronicles and FFXIII to the store. All I play is SFIV, and even then I'm wishing it was Super.

whenever I am playing something else, i feel I should be in the training room practicing my links instead or else lose my step with the competition

Once SSFIV comes out, i doubt I need any other game for the rest of the year.

 

[Xiaoki]

Its like Capcom is forcing Daigo to pick someone else.

He played Ken in a white gi in Third Strike.



Makoto will probably hinge on her instant Hayate cancel.
Like: HP, Hayate cancel, HP
Also, in the Ruliweb video a Karakusa connected after a Hayate in the corner.

So, I think doom and gloom speculation is still quite early.

 

[TimeKillr]

One more thing I've noticed in the Ken Bogard post that I haven't seen posted anywhere else:

- Les double touche sur les dragonz ont changées. A présent le perso qui a fait un dragon fait un salto arrière avant de revenir sur ses pates, il met donc beaucoup plus de temps a recover sur ses doubles touches , les juggle de l’infini sont donc moins évidents, pour pas dire impossible pour certains.

Trades on shoryus have changed - the character who did the SRK does a backflip before landing on his feet, so it takes a lot longer to recover from trades. Infinite juggles are then much harder, if not impossible for some.

I don't know why he talks about infinite juggles, but hey.

This is why every shoto's changes mentions that trade DP to ultra doesn't work.

 

[the_log_ride]

A lot of my time playing SSFIV was against the dude who (amongst other things) made the game Trixel. He plays the best Sim I've ever played against. When i post my impressions tomorrow i will try to remember to post anything i can about him.

Thank you, kind sir. I need me some 'Sim news!

One more thing I've noticed in the Ken Bogard post that I haven't seen posted anywhere else:



Trades on shoryus have changed - the character who did the SRK does a backflip before landing on his feet, so it takes a lot longer to recover from trades. Infinite juggles are then much harder, if not impossible for some.

I don't know why he talks about infinite juggles, but hey.

This is why every shoto's changes mentions that trade DP to ultra doesn't work.

Ah, I was wondering how they worked this in. I figured they just extended the hit stun animations after getting the trade.

 

[Holy Order Sol]

I don't know why he talks about infinite juggles, but hey.

Most French gamers of the fighting game community, especially in Paris, use "de l'infini" or "du crime" or even "de l'angoisse" just for the sake of exaggeration, it's not meant to be taken literally. :lol

 

[sixteen-bit]

Ah, I was wondering how they worked this in. I figured they just extended the hit stun animations after getting the trade.

this doesn't apply to Sagat though does it?

 

[fubarduck]

Most French gamers of the fighting game community, especially in Paris, use "de l'infini" or "du crime" or even "de l'angoisse" just for the sake of exaggeration, it's not meant to be taken literally. :lol

"Sagat can throw tiger shots all day."

He's not really throwing them for an entire day. Or is he?

 

[Fersis]

He played Ken in a white gi in Third Strike.



Makoto will probably hinge on her instant Hayate cancel.
Like: HP, Hayate cancel, HP
Also, in the Ruliweb video a Karakusa connected after a Hayate in the corner.

So, I think doom and gloom speculation is still quite early.

1) I know, just talking about SFIV.
2) Thats how SRK rolls. :/

 

[Pandaman]

He played Ken in a white gi in Third Strike.



Makoto will probably hinge on her instant Hayate cancel.
Like: HP, Hayate cancel, HP
Also, in the Ruliweb video a Karakusa connected after a Hayate in the corner.

So, I think doom and gloom speculation is still quite early.

the initial reveal had her do it midscreen too. i think it might just be a matter of strength. [like l.hayate, rh.karakusa would work]

 

[sixteen-bit]

Daigo Ken and Justin Chun SSFIV finals for Evo 2010?

 

[Duelist]

He played Ken in a white gi in Third Strike.



Makoto will probably hinge on her instant Hayate cancel.
Like: HP, Hayate cancel, HP
Also, in the Ruliweb video a Karakusa connected after a Hayate in the corner.

So, I think doom and gloom speculation is still quite early.

Could be cool if Makoto could mix up j.HK -> st.HP -> Hayate with j.HK -> st.HP -> Hayate Cancel -> Karakusa -> ??? -> Profit

 

["God's Beard!"]

Daigo Ken and Justin Chun SSFIV finals for Evo 2010?

Daigo Ken and God's Beard Ibuki for SSFIV finals Evo 2010. The match that finally convinces Kuroda to pick up SF4.

 

[XenoRaven]

Daigo Ken and Justin Chun SSFIV finals for Evo 2010?

Dudley vs. Alt Costume Dudley.

=(

 

[Arde5643]

Daigo Cody and Justin Chun SSFIV finals for Evo 2010?

Fixed.

 

[sixteen-bit]

nvm isn't Daigo running Juri at evo?

 

[Teknopathetic]

"Don't forget the EX stone "HEHEH HEH"."


and BINGO.