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[RS4-]

The Ryu fb-super trap change is pretty bad.

 

[sixteen-bit]

DPs that can be meatied, while reducing damage too. I am sure high-level players will adjust to this but it sure sucks for all them flowcharters that like to mash DP.

But isn't Ken's Fierce DP invincible now?

With DP, it's clear to me...

 

[BotoxAgent]

But isn't Ken's Fierce DP invincible now?

With DP, it's clear to me...

shit, forgot :-(

but we can throw rogs out of their rush punches still, yay!!

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

GUILE :
- Nothing new apart from his ultras. Maybe HP sonic boom is faster, but not sure about this one.
- U1 now does damage on the last hit only, meaning it becomes a better AA option, or usefull after an AA regular somersault.
- U2 is very good. Starts very fast, very usefull against shotos spamming fireballs. Some set-ups for a juggle after an AA somersault or after the super.

GOD DAMMIT CAPCOM! DIMPS! CAPCOM! WHOEVER THE BLAME FALLS ON! >:|

ADON :
- I don't like the character, didn't a play a lot with him.
- Did all of his challenges: very command heavy!
- When not in the corners his ultras always whiff. Maybe I'm just not good with him, though.
- Three variations for his super, depending on whether the player presses P, K or nothing during the animation.

Adong needs more love. He was a fun character in Alpha games.

HOKAN :
- Gosh this character! Pure grappler with a slide.
- The follow-up of his slide doesn't require any particular timing: only need to mash P
- No interest in not being oiled-up. When oiled up he can move during his FA, he has more links, and his throws get way more reach (like a kara-TU).
- f.HP is godlike. Kinda like Honda's neutral j.HP, but on the ground. Best zoning move of the game.
- Very short jump, seems like a short hop from KOF. When putting T.Hawk and Hakan next to each other, and make them jump at the same time, T.Hawk goes entirely above Hakan.
- U2 is ULTIMATE. The perfect AA. When Hakan has it, it's over, you stay on the ground. Nothing to do agains it: blanka's rolling, honda's dosukoi, Hawk's condor spire and the likes all lose to it. Stays active for long time: can punish a missed shoryu with it. Can't see anyone playing with his U1.
- Hard to play when not oiled up.

How difficult is it to stay oiled up, and is EX oil your best overall bet when using him?

 

[jman2050]

How did no one before now find out about Vega's new Ultra 1? That kinda sounds like something we'd know 5 seconds after people started messing with Vega.

 

[RS4-]

Hmm, does anyone know who I can talk to in regards to getting a preview copy of SSF for a major newspaper my friend freelances for?

If so, please PM.

 

[LowParry]

How did no one before now find out about Vega's new Ultra 1? That kinda sounds like something we'd know 5 seconds after people started messing with Vega.

That's just it. I don't think people have been playing around with Vega cause he's terrabad in vanilla.

 

[Motion Picture Soundtrack]

I wish I could have English voice Cody with Japanese voice Hahas.

 

[FindMyFarms]

Adong needs more love. He was a fun character in Alpha games.

Whatever "fun" means, he's sounding to be just as fun in super4 then he was in alpha, meaning, he was really bad in alpha, and will probably be bad in super4 also.

 

[Fersis]

The Ryu fb-super trap change is pretty bad.

Its like Capcom is forcing Daigo to pick someone else.

Whatever "fun" means, he's sounding to be just as fun in super4 then he was in alpha, meaning, he was really bad in alpha, and will probably be bad in super4 also.

IM GOING TO SHOW YOU HOW STRONG I AM!!! >8(

Im surprised about the game speed impressions , the videos look faster than SFIV.
Must be some kind of optic illusion. @___@

 

[LowParry]

And Hakan sounds bad in his JP voice. English ftw! Dudley is a strange mix. Not sure on it yet. Cody....damn. Gonna probably go with ENG with him.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

Whatever "fun" means, he's sounding to be just as fun in super4 then he was in alpha, meaning, he was really bad in alpha, and will probably be bad in super4 also.

I liked his screwball move set. At least at the time, it was screwy. A little bit Vega in terms of how some moves came out, a little bit typical motion character.

I tend to enjoy characters that behave like the balls in a lottery hopper on screen.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

That's just it. I don't think people have been playing around with Vega cause he's terrabad in vanilla.

That and no one in the right mind would use his ultra to grab the opposite wall instead of the one behind the character.

 

[BotoxAgent]

Its like Capcom is forcing Daigo to pick someone else.

yeah, I wonder if he will end up picking someone else now.


Guy is looking good!!


and Fersis, I admire your Adon optimisim.

 

[NinajHeartless]

so wait, is the guy saying Makoto permanently mid-tier or 5 months from now will they discover some amazing bullshit that will propel her near the top like what happened in 3S?

either way i'll be maining her, yessir

Same here man, prerelease tier speculation be damned!

 

[Cromulent_Word]

after playing makoto & seeing her be played... she lost a lot of what made her so good in 3S.

My first thought when playing her was "mid tier unless someone finds hidden tricks"... yes its pure tier speculation, but without many of her juggles and corner tricks i personally cannot see her being amazing.

 

[Wiseblade]

Oh man, where is the Fuerte news? after seeing Gief's U1 get nerfed, I'm worried about my own.

 

["God's Beard!"]

Does Dudley have any weaknesses? "How'd he get to be so S-tier? Shoryuken?"

Dudley's DP damage, IF the Merits impressions are correct, is more than Ryu, Akuma and Sagat, and the same as Ken. Interesting…

I know he is looking like a very powerful character so far, but I thought there was a specific range lacking or weakness that balanced him somewhat and prevented him from being infamous S-tier. He has to get in close to dominate... etc To those who have played - thoughts?

Here's hoping Dudley is "just" A-tier along with a batch of new characters for some variety. I don't plan on using him, but I wonder how often I'll have to VS the guy.

Have the tides of online battle and tourney play gotten a lot more pugly? (horrendous, I know)

Dudley's DP isn't a good anti-air or reversal like a shoto's is. Dudley will have problems with Dhalsim with his long range lows. Honestly he seems better than he was in 3rd strike, a lot of his moves were easy to parry.

 

[Fersis]

yeah, I wonder if he will end up picking someone else now.


Guy is looking good!!


and Fersis, I admire your Adon optimisim.

I like the character design and gameplay design. Dont care about his tier ranking.

 

[sixteen-bit]

i wonder if alt outfits result in different winposes

i only though about this because Ibuki pulls her mask down in hers, but her alt doesn't have a mask at all

 

[Krackatoa]

Oh man, where is the Fuerte news? after seeing Gief's U1 get nerfed, I'm worried about my own.

950 HP. Ultra Spark does 500 damage, starts up in like 3 frames and goes under fireballs. RSF is left pristine and untouched from what anyone can tell.

I'd say you're good.

 

[qcf x2]

Hmm, so all Viper got was an entry level Ultra? I'd trade that for 50 HP but I see what they're doing. Gotta make her more accessible somehow. And I still don't like Rose's new Ultra, gonna be Illusion Spark for me.

It's gonna be fun seeing which characters that currently look underdeveloped actually turn out to be extremely viable. Crossing my fingers that the lack of initial arcade release doesn't affect this of course!

 

[BitchTits]

Love the sound of the changes to Vegas U1, both his Ultras sound good though.

 

[qcf x2]

Does Dudley have any weaknesses? "How'd he get to be so S-tier? Shoryuken?"

From what I can tell, people saying he's the new Sagat need to realize that he's not gonna do a braindead f+HK x2 into Ultra on a far jump and erase 60% of your health. And he doesn't have projectiles or an amazing kara move. What he's got are combos and setups galore, but with overall damage toned down in SSF4, there will be no Vanilla Sagat in the game.

 

[Sir Garbageman]

Happy to hear the positive Guy impressions, hopefully he ends up better than some of the initial reports / vids suggest.

 

[The Take Out Bandit]

I like the character design and gameplay design. Dont care about his tier ranking.

*high fives*

No-Tier Soldiers FTW!

 

[Skilotonn]

Cause no one was testing the guy out the punks! I'm extremely excited about these changes. I'm hoping for a little more tweaks in terms of PPP/KKK, wall dive recoveries or rolling claw attack tweaks. Dammit. I wanna play Super so bad now. Baaaaaaad.

Come to think of it, no one really did post any extensive stuff about him, but if this is correct, then Capcom really did live up to their promise, and I'm still not ruling out Guile yet, because there's no way that they didn't buff him at all yet do this to Vega...

New Vids

from SRK

Thanks!

from SRK user BENTOBOX

not mine!

(also, remember this is NOT OFFICIAL - these are still impressions, it will take time to know all the changes and confirm the ones listed here. they may be incorrect in some cases)

Good look man, gonna read through now...

 

[kitzkozan]

From what I can tell, people saying he's the new Sagat need to realize that he's not gonna do a braindead f+HK x2 into Ultra on a far jump and erase 60% of your health. And he doesn't have projectiles or an amazing kara move. What he's got are combos and setups galore, but with overall damage toned down in SSF4, there will be no Vanilla Sagat in the game.

Quite possibly. Tier list will be very interesting.

Both Guile and Claw might avoid the bottom tier this time.In fact,I am sure Claw is going to be somewhere in the mid,but Guile might end up low mid.

Uppercut being weakened in general mean people wont be afraid to jump in.The game will be more offensive,but Im not sure if this is the best solution to encourage offense.

 

[def sim]

Heh

I imagine online play will pretty much be jump city.

edit: it already kinda is

 

[BotoxAgent]

I like the character design and gameplay design. Dont care about his tier ranking.

yeah man! Hope he's just as fun to play as he looks

hoping the same for Guy

 

[LowParry]

Quite possibly. Tier list will be very interesting.

Both Guile and Claw might avoid the bottom tier this time.In fact,I am sure Claw is going to be somewhere in the mid,but Guile might end up low mid.

Uppercut being weakened in general mean people wont be afraid to jump in.The game will be more offensive,but Im not sure if this is the best solution to encourage offense.

Claw's going to be at least mid or higher.

 

[Fersis]

Adon overhead (f+MP) hits twice right? (As in Alpha 3)

 

[Dartastic]

Dang, this Ryu news is kinda making me want to switch to Rufus or Ken for the next couple weeks until Super comes out.

 

[Teknopathetic]

"-The biggest new tool is the possibility to cancel Hayate to link. I don’t know how many options that opens up but just know for now that HP, Hayate cancel, c.lp is effectively a 2 hit combo."

Ooooh.


"- Tsurugi is not overhead, but is comboable. EX tsurugi IS overhead, though, but knocks down the opponent."

Tch.

 

[Swittcher]

Gonna try and main Cody and Guy. Cody is looking good, but like some people have mentioned, gameplay wise, Guy is looking like an uphill battle. Still, his design and Ultras are awesome.

HA HA

 

[Duelist]

Has anyone tested out Makoto's stun potential? Or is Sakura still going to be queen of stun in SSF4 (as far as we know so far)?

 

[Fersis]

Those who played SFIV to death are also going to find their tech and link timing needs readjusting, as the tempo for SSFIV has been turned up

Ok, im confused now.

Excellent attitude. The only time I feel like its just not fun anymore is when a character is rock bottom tier - and even then, it can be fun depending on who you're playing against.

Re: Dudley - makes sense. Amazing combo potential and setups, no projectile and his SRK is powerful, but is not as good of an anti-air or reversal - sounds more reasonable if true.

I remember being quite frustrated with El Fuerte, but it wasnt the character but the net code.
You cant use El Fuerte on <4 bar connections.

 

[DryEyeRelief]

Has anyone tested out Makoto's stun potential? Or is Sakura still going to be queen of stun in SSF4 (as far as we know so far)?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FfYQiPSHXoI

 

[Brobzoid]

Oh shit good Vega news?! sounds really great. I'd love it if they made his roll a little bit faster, but making the ultra viable is awesome, maybe he won't be so useless when pushed into the corner now. :3

Also, regarding Adon; do we know if there is combo potential after a (non-ex) jagga toof?

 

[KittenMaster]

I'd love it if they made his roll a little bit faster,

Isn't the roll a lot safer now?

 

[Wiseblade]

950 HP. Ultra Spark does 500 damage, starts up in like 3 frames and goes under fireballs. RSF is left pristine and untouched from what anyone can tell.

I'd say you're good.

WHAAA?!

*abandons U1*

 

[sixteen-bit]

Heh

I imagine online play will pretty much be jump city.

edit: it already kinda is

Hakan rejoices

 

[KittenMaster]

Hakan rejoices

As do the cleansing fires of a Ken Falcon Dragon Punch.

 

[Lucentto]

I'm a bit sad to hear the game isn't faster, sometimes the game felt too slow. Oh well, i'll get used to the speed the more I play.

 

[Skilotonn]

It just dawned on me how absolutely weak Ryu's Shoryuken is on AA now - 50 damage is bread crumbs man...

Hilariously they go and buff the other shoto more known for his DP in every single way - he might not even need a way to combo intro Ultra if these bits of info are true...

Regardless, all the new guys I plan to use sound good, I would have stuck with them anyways, but it's a good start to get some ideas going strategy-wise...

also, wtf at Adon's health. Sorry Skilotonn, you were right all along.

No probs man, there's no real central area for all this stuff so things like that are easy to miss...

 

[Brobzoid]

Isn't the roll a lot safer now?

If it is I was unawarez! Anyway, that's nice to hear. Vega's shaping up. :3

 

[~Devil Trigger~]

Adon's health....why?

 

[Fersis]

I'm a bit sad to hear the game isn't faster, sometimes the game felt too slow. Oh well, i'll get used to the speed the more I play.

Eurogamer says its faster. Weird huh?

Adon's health....why?

Because he wants to show you how strong he is.

 

[SAB CA]

No Cammy Impressions, beyond the Spike nerf? Meh.

I like the fact that Makoto's Tsurugi gains overhead property on EX. Love it when EX moves serve unique purposes.

So DeeJay can combo outta his MachineGunUppers... nice to hear. Rose's juggle potential sounds fun; An ultra that's more for function than just flat out obvious damage. I can deal with that.

As stupid as DP's were in vanilla, I'm not too hurt about the damage nerfs. Auto-correcting when jumping over people, reversals VS everything, easily mashable thanks to the shortcuts... ugh.

Vega's buffs sound excellent. I always found him a competent opponent in the right hands, and these buffs just seem to make him more viable as a whole.

No notes on the "longer recovery on Vipers MP TK" info from a while back, was hoping to see a confirm/deny somewhere.

Not much info on Dan, I hope his Koryuken isn't nerfed in any way, to make him weaker in comparison the others... ()

 

[Mr.Squirrel]

I don't give a fuck im still maining adon.