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The Oily, Gentlemanly Super Spin Fighter 4 Reveal Thread of Kunoichis and Karatekas

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KaYotiX

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Yeah EVO is gonna be crazy this year, cant wait to watch it again and i hope the live stream this year is a little more stable and smooth :)

It also needs Seth on it 24/7 LOL!! He is a great comentator on SF matches.:D
 
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haunts

Bacon of Hope
Killa Sasa said:
o_O at T.Hawk's fierce 720. Ridiculous damage.

Watching Sagat fight him was actually really fun to watch to. Tiger Cannon seems like a pretty solid ultra. I can appreciate great Sagat play even more now, zoning wasn't always easy against Gief in Vanilla, now it looks like a pain in the ass against Hawk :lol.

I hope you keep playing Sagat on the side at the very least Haunts, I like watching yours and other good ones that know what they're doing.

Evo is gonna be awesome this year, looks like my first one is going to be awesome :D Can't wait to see a T. Hawk or Guy or some other surprise character absolutely rip through pools.
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thx yo. sagat is fun but some of these matches you have to play flawlessly now. i think sagat veterans will be able to pull out some wins, but good luck to those just picking him up in super.
 
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Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
im not ready to jump aboard the sagat is not good bandwagon just yet..i'll take your word for it as you are a sagat player..but he retained a pretty damn good amount of his tools save for his standing short nerf...he does have mobility issues but still can kara knee/uppercut and still retains all of the characteristics that made him great..only difference now is that he'll have to be more consistent and work for the W as opposed to guessing right a couple of times and devastating dudes
 
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haunts

Bacon of Hope
Gr1mLock said:
im not ready to jump aboard the sagat is not good bandwagon just yet..i'll take your word for it as you are a sagat player..but he retained a pretty damn good amount of his tools save for his standing short nerf...he does have mobility issues but still can kara knee/uppercut and still retains all of the characteristics that made him great..only difference now is that he'll have to be more consistent and work for the W as opposed to guessing right a couple of times and devastating dudes
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by nature he isnt a horrible character, but he is a lot weaker now. this isnt me being sensational about anything, it's in the numbers. all im saying is ive been playing sagat for 2 years so I can get a win here and there even if they mess with his health and move set etc. my thing is new players are going to have a really hard time if they want to pick up sagat this late in the game. there is a ton of match up specific stuff you need to know with him, and now you have to play flawlessly or else you're going to get fucked by a number of characters. realistically no one plays flawlessly most of the time so it's just going to be real difficult unless you know every last detail of the match ups. people who say he is easy to play just simply dont know how he works, it's as simple as that.
 
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Chemo

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Has there been a video of the new mechanics of Vega's Bloody High Claw yet? I can't seem to keep up with this thread anymore. :/
 
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Chemo

Member
haunts said:
by nature he isnt a horrible character, but he is a lot weaker now. this isnt me being sensational about anything, it's in the numbers. all im saying is ive been playing sagat for 2 years so I can get a win here and there even if they mess with his health and move set etc. my thing is new players are going to have a really hard time if they want to pick up sagat this late in the game. there is a ton of match up specific stuff you need to know with him, and now you have to play flawlessly or else you're going to get fucked by a number of characters. realistically no one plays flawlessly most of the time so it's just going to be real difficult unless you know every last detail of the match ups. people who say he is easy to play just simply dont know how he works, it's as simple as that.
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As a Vega I have a really hard time sympathizing with future people struggling to learn Sagat, but I understand what you're saying.
 
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Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
haunts said:
by nature he isnt a horrible character, but he is a lot weaker now. this isnt me being sensational about anything, it's in the numbers. all im saying is ive been playing sagat for 2 years so I can get a win here and there even if they mess with his health and move set etc. my thing is new players are going to have a really hard time if they want to pick up sagat this late in the game. there is a ton of match up specific stuff you need to know with him, and now you have to play flawlessly or else you're going to get fucked by a number of characters. realistically no one plays flawlessly most of the time so it's just going to be real difficult unless you know every last detail of the match ups. people who say he is easy to play just simply dont know how he works, it's as simple as that.
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i feel you..i guess my point is that he just has so much going for him as far as basic design goes that i dont think he'll be plummeting to mid tier.
 
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TurtleSnatcher

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Interesting how the online interface lets you use your own 'personal quote' on the VS screen.

Also wonder how they are gonna do online now in regards to BP and PP.. if its going to be Championship mode all over again (God I hope they revamp this)


Also they added voice overs for Ryu and Gouken it appears on their special moves .. Goukens english voice over now says the move out loud by name (Like tatsumaki) instead of "WAAHHHHHHH" when doing it.. Same thing with Ryu doing Air Tatsu's with the English voice. Before I think he just said it only the EX Air Tatsu.

Also alt costumers like Kens are face palm lol.
 
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arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
Here's the big question right now- will any character legitimately counterpick Dudley, or is he the new SF4 Ryu?
 
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Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
arstal said:
Here's the big question right now- will any character legitimately counterpick Dudley, or is he the new SF4 Ryu?
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hmm..good question...i definitely dont think he will be the new ken..he is popular but he is still fairly a technical character..i guess it will depend on how easy it is to land his target combos(input wise)..he still has to work to get in close..so i think grapplers will give him trouble...his normals seem solid but fairly short range..he'll have to work to get in close so ..it'll be interesting...so far he does seem to have quite a few advantages over majority of the cast...i do have a funny feeling that he wont be as good as people make him out to be
 
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arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
Gr1mLock said:
hmm..good question...i definitely dont think he will be the new ken..he is popular but he is still fairly a technical character..i guess it will depend on how easy it is to land his target combos(input wise)..he still has to work to get in close..so i think grapplers will give him trouble...his normals seem solid but fairly short range..he'll have to work to get in close so ..it'll be interesting...so far he does seem to have quite a few advantages over majority of the cast...i do have a funny feeling that he wont be as good as people make him out to be
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Dudley has chains not links- that alone should make him much easier to use.

My concern about Super right now- and this would be gamebreaking for me- is that Ryu and Dudley will have advantages or even with the entire cast (even with each other), and everyone else will be easily counterpickable.

It is too early to tell right now, but it won't take long to find out. The game will likely be 99% solved by Evo.
 
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Gr1mLock

Passing metallic gas
arstal said:
Dudley has chains not links- that alone should make him much easier to use.

My concern about Super right now- and this would be gamebreaking for me- is that Ryu and Dudley will have advantages or even with the entire cast (even with each other), and everyone else will be easily counterpickable.

It is too early to tell right now, but it won't take long to find out. The game will likely be 99% solved by Evo.
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well i dunno about ryu..imo his nerfs were not called for..jumping in on ryu with ultra SHOULD be suicide..and trading with an srk should be the reward as opposed to being flat out stuffed..but i get you..ive had a feeling that this game would end up being a clusterfuck as far as balance goes...but the sheer amount of characters should kinda equalize it
 
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Holy Order Sol

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Quoting a user from SRK who got some playtime with Dictator recently :

Throw timings are all over the show for Super. I sometimes dash in on opponent wakeup and throw and you have to wait a significantly longer period to hit Lp+Lk or the throw will whiff, leaving you open to all kinds of pain. It seems to be the case on ticks as well. I obviously couldn't tell the frame timings by eye but if you ask me to guess I'd say you're looking at an additional 10 frames before you can throw on wakeup and 5 on ticks from blocked cross up J Mk. It's wierd.
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I use throws quite often as a Dictator main yet I don't really know what to make of this overall. If memory serves this is more similar to how throws behaved in 2X, and I guess Gouki's vortex will be somehow affected.

Hitokage said:
By the way, did you test if the unblockable glitch is still there?
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The Spanish players whose vids we saw earlier in this thread confirmed it was.
 
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Shito

Member
Gr1mLock said:
and trading with an srk should be the reward as opposed to being flat out stuffed..
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Yeah... no.
Trading should be fair to both players, and neither one of them should get an advantage after a trade. This is a very good thing Ryu's srk trade to ultra was taken off the game, but it just now seems stupid leaving Sagat's one, even though it is said to be harder to do now.
 
Yoshichan

Yoshichan

And they made him a Lord of Cinder. Not for virtue, but for might. Such is a lord, I suppose. But here I ask. Do we have a sodding chance?
Shito said:
This is a very good thing Ryu's srk trade to ultra was taken off the game
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What the fuck? What's gonna happen now after a trade with Ryu? Why won't he be able to ultra after it?
 
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Fersis

It is illegal to Tag Fish in Tag Fishing Sanctuaries by law 38.36 of the GAF Wildlife Act
For the love of god take Magus1234 to the hospital! :lol
Haunts SSFIV is faster than SFIV? (Some people say no)
 
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arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
Shito said:
Yeah... no.
Trading should be fair to both players, and neither one of them should get an advantage after a trade. This is a very good thing Ryu's srk trade to ultra was taken off the game, but it just now seems stupid leaving Sagat's one, even though it is said to be harder to do now.
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Doing stuff of trades isn't necessarily bad, just when it's something to try for that it's bad.

In KOF98- King's strongest non-MAX combo was based off trading with her silent flash, into close D into another Silent Flash. Impractical in a real matchup though, but cool as hell as do (only ever did it once on GGPO though). My 2nd favorite combo I ever did (my favorite was Yamazaki CH Counter into a Guillotine for the win vs a guy better then I was)
 
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Diablohead

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I was only able to watch about 15 minutes of the 1up stream last night due to it being on at gone 1am for me, is there a recording or saved video I can watch today?
 
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Relix

he's Virgin Tight™
arstal said:
It is too early to tell right now, but it won't take long to find out. The game will likely be 99% solved by Evo.
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Doubt it. Fighting games evolve every day and tiers change up. Makoto was originally shit-crapstic tier on SF3 and look how she ended up. People will slowly learn stuff =P
 
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zlatko

Banned
kitzkozan said:
It's going to be strange seeing T.Hawk as anything other than bottom tier. :lol He's going to be my grappler of choice in super. :D

By the way,you can hear Cody's theme in this video.
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I DEMAND everyone play as Cody at least once everyday online, so I'm more likely to run into it when facing people. It's SO freaking perfect for him. :D

Edit: I don't know how much they fixed the net code. If I'm seeing that right at the very end of this video they were playing on a 1 bar connection? Why does Capcom hate to put in just a few bucks for GGPO and end the travesty of crap connection for Street Fighter?
 
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Brobzoid

how do I slip unnoticed out of a gloryhole booth?
zlatko said:
Why does Capcom hate to put in just a few bucks for GGPO and end the travesty of crap connection for Street Fighter?
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Japanese pride is the bestest pride.
 
S

Swittcher

Banned
Haunts, was there a lot of dictator being played? S-Kill mentioned to me that "This is delicious!" is somewhere in the game. Did it pop up during win quotes at all?
 
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MoxManiac

Member
T.Hawk looks like he's shaping up to be what I originally wanted from Zangief in vanilla. Gonna give him a shot. Too bad I can't do my old HDR hijinx with him.
 
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arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
Relix said:
Doubt it. Fighting games evolve every day and tiers change up. Makoto was originally shit-crapstic tier on SF3 and look how she ended up. People will slowly learn stuff =P
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That was pre-internet largely. Internet= faster flow. A few small things like unblockable ultras will take a long time, but 2nd iteration of a game+ modern internet boards= info gets found out real fast. No more holding gimmicks back for later use these days.
 
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arstal

Whine Whine FADC Troll
PhatSaqs said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4dE-yGFK_v8
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Yeah, now that people know how it works, it will be found out real quick.

And 1999, most fighting game players just were in the arcades. the only real internet option was the KOFML (still around I think) or alt.games.sf2

yeah, back in the day to get fighting game info- you had to flood up your email with 30-40 emails a day, or use usenet.

The internet explosion for fighting games didn't really take off until 2002-3.
 
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SAB CA

Sketchbook Picasso
~Devil Trigger~ said:
The French are at it again

Combo vid
http://www.jeuxvideo.tv/video/super-street-fighter-iv.html#view:319102
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Thanks for Vid!

Gee, great to see, Viper's anywhere Combo into new Ultra 2 does 508 (Kinda plesant suprise...), but DeeJay's *corner only* combo did 392 (not so plesant)... Thanks Capcom!

Hope to find ways for him to combo into his ultra without going as low as 40% damage adjustment... can't wait to actually try things out!
 
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