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[Beerculies]

I was skeptical about this game from the beginning due to the developer stating it wanted a "cinematic" experience and on that note it think they delivered, i think this game would have done better if it wasn't in the drought of games and wasn't touted as the second coming, which this game isn't.

I think the developer made there vision and it looks graphically amazing and i hope the game does well enough so they can create a sequel and fix all the problems with the game. The idea was really cool and has a lot of potential and could be a very good franchise.

I would also like to bring up that a game getting 6's and 7's in review scores are average I have played many games that where in those score ranges and really enjoyed them. Not every game has to be a 10 to enjoy.

 

[Byron Bluth]

These threads are so sad. I'll get my enjoyment out of playing the game not bickering and watching Metacritic. Yeeeeesh

 

[The Technomancer]

The only thing I'm surprised by is that the graphics didn't give it a extra 1.0

How do you know they didn't?

 

[Caronte]

This is quite sad. It looked so good

 

[Gestault]

It's odd seeing people deflect a poor showing by saying something to the effect of "Well [completely unrelated game] is still bad," when those games seem to have been better received.

Back to review responses though, I like the tone of the Escapist writing. It hits the negatives without spending so much energy bemoaning the situation. They talk about disappointment being a factor in the review, but it leaves a comfortable niche for the point of view of people happy to enjoy a game with (heavily) adjusted expectations at a reasonable price.

 

[Shadders]

They did?

I can't find the article. I'm sure there was an MCV article around the time it launched saying it was their biggest marketing spend in PlayStation history.

 

[fluffydelusions]

How about these so called "insiders" stop hyping up games they don't even know about? saying people will eat crow and shit like that.

I have nothing against shinobi but he was one of the big mouths when hyping up this game so he could at least come in here and say something.

 

[Blackage]

Probably the least shocking review thread I've seen. Anyone who's followed the game probably knew to expect this to be honest. I think EGM's quote is the most accurate, launch title that came out 15 months late(PS4's Ryse basically).

 

[Final Verdict]

Resogun 84, it's only the highest rated game. Pretty terrible output so far from Sony's 1st party studios.

I almost included that, but decided to leave it out as it isn't a $60 retail game, and wasn't really 1st party....
But yes, they have released some real gems like Resogun, Transistor, and Towerfall.

 

[Valentus]

As expected, a visual masterpiece, but crappy in everything else.

Another 6/7 First party game. Sony should demand more effort from its internal teams. They cant depend all the generation of naughy dog and Druckmann.

 

[jett]

Which TPS has overtaken it and why?

Most of them? Including its sequels, I imagine.

What do you mean by these days?

Today? I mean it has aged like shit. I played it for the first time some time ago, didn't get far before I gave up on it.

 

[Primethius]

So you're questioning people's hype before the game comes out on the condition that it reviews badly? or is it because you dislike the general idea of people praising a game before it releases?

He just wants people to be hyped for the games he is and not anything else.

 

[p2535748]

Why do the stands always get taken against Sony-marketed or Sony-exclusive games?

Where was the stand taken against Halo: MCC about how that launch was completely unacceptable?

The Halo reviews were largely screwed up, because they didn't wait to publish them, but there's been a huge backlash since then. There have been a ton of articles and discussion about how bad MCC is (and rightfully so). Giantbomb gave it their "hot mess of the year" award.

Ryse: Son of Rome is probably the most closely comparable game, it was an Xbox One exclusive launch game, and it has a 60 on metacritic. Because it's no longer launch (when games are often given higher scores because there's nothing else out there for the system), you'd kind of expect The Order to do even worse than that.

I want to be clear: I haven't played The Order, and I have no problem with it at all, but this notion that only Sony games are punished for being short, excessively linear graphical showpieces with QTEs is wrongheaded.

 

[SparkTR]

How about these so called "insiders" stop hyping up games they don't even know about? saying people will eat crow and shit like that.

I have nothing against shinobi but he was one of the big mouths when hyping up this game so he could at least come in here and say something.

Shinobi seems to have a pretty distinct bias, it's probably best to take what he says with a pinch of salt.

 

[FordGTGuy]

Sony's marketing this game hard. I don't think that shows a lack of confidence.

It just shows that they've already invested a ton in this game and it's entirely too late to not be committed to it.

 

[cheezcake]

LMAO.

That explains why TLoU only got 10/10 nearly across the board instead of 12/10 that it rightfully deserves.

The jigs up boys bump it up to the 115 metacritic it rightfully deserves.

 

[73V3N]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

I think we need a "The Order 1886 Hall of Fame" now

 

[signia70]

Hat tip to the GAF for saving me $60!!!

 

[Broder Salsa]

So add 1.0 for being sony exclusive. 7.7 not bad at all

will eventually get

#justiceforsony #nomorepressbias #jeffgerstmannisajerk

 

[M.W.]

These threads are so sad. I'll get my enjoyment out of playing the game not bickering and watching Metacritic. Yeeeeesh

I agree. I'm picking this up tomorrow, can't wait.

 

[Szadek]

Well I'm still excited to pick up my Premium Edition of The Order 1886 tomorrow. What, I'm suppose to change my mind based off some stranger's opinion? Nope. I'm way too much of an independent thinker to allow that madness to occur.

Sure,if you even enough time and money to play every game you are interested in yourself,then noone is stopping you.
However,most people don't.

 

[Mass Effect]

God damn these reviews are brutal.

 

[Clarkus Darkus]

Personally i cant wait to recieve my copy tmrw, I need a break from open world type games, And this for all intents purposes, Sounds right up my alley. A dark grimey back street london alley where jack the ripper lurks.

Most of the people i know from work etc are picking the game up based on the TV trailer during the champions league games. They dont venture onto gaming forums.

 

[FF Seraphim]

People don't really believe this...do they?

I am going to be honest, after playing DC and reading the reviews I can see where some people can have this opinion. This is why I generally trust fellow Gaffers on their impressions since quite a few seem to have similar taste to mine.

 

[Impeccable]

So wait, is RAD first party?

 

[slash3584]

Most impressions from GAFfers that I have read (including my own) who played it at various events were super bad.

I knew what was coming.

Yeah to be honest since the first gameplay video was showed I didn't expect much from this game.

 

[……forgetit]

So the game is okay at best, pretty bad at worst. Shocking no one.

 

[Haunted]

Or the ones with godawful everything: graphics, gameplay and AI like Spec Ops The Line reviewing better.

WTF

I suppose there was something about Spec Ops The Line that spoke to reviewers (and indeed, players). A point. Something to hold onto and that stuck with you long after the game was finished. Sounds like The Order, while sporting technical excellence and solidly executed action, does not seem to have anything like that.

"Too short, too safe" seems to be one of the overarching criticisms.


Despite the middling critical reception, from all I've seen - I think I'll like it, kinda like Ryse.

 

[dark_prinny]

These threads are so sad. I'll get my enjoyment out of playing the game not bickering and watching Metacritic. Yeeeeesh

Well, this is a review thread. The game has an OT where gameplay, among other things, can be discussed.

 

[mrklaw]

Sony's exclusive titles keep bombing, at least from a critic point of view. I don't get it. They've always had extremely stellar 1st party output, at times rivaling Nintendo IMO due to the shear variety and output and not afraid to take chances. I don't see Bloodbourne being a disappointment, because From is amazing, but Sony's output this gen so far seems really uninspired. PS4s keep selling though.

when you go for variety and not afraid to take chances, sometimes you get delivered bad games. Particularly bad luck to have a string of them together, but PS3 had its fair share.

I'll defend that approach (to an extent) because I think it also delivers us some fantastic games that we otherwise wouldn't see released. I do think they might need a firmer hand on the tiller sometimes though

 

[Zaki2407]

This reminds me to Heavenly Sword for PS3 back in 2007. Hyped for the graphic then slammed hard for the gameplay and duration.

 

[Savantcore]

Bravo.

 

[Derpyduck]

Not shocked about the reviews to be honest. Something just told me it was going to be mediocre. I'm glad I went with my gut and held off purchasing.

Bloodborne will save us. lol

And if it doesn't, there's always the Borderlands remaster next month and Dark Souls 2 the month after. Sony exclusives have disappointed me to no end this gen, but third parties have picked up the slack.

 

[loaf of bread]

So wait, is RAD first party?

No

 

[Amir0x]

I wonder how much gameplay development was lost out on because of the copious amounts of time spent on the engine.

I mean on the upside we know RAD is capable of games with good gameplay, they have in the past. And we know that having the engine in place means the next game if they are smart and want to can really focus on expanding the foundation they have in place for the gameplay and making into something compelling to play too.

Let's just hope Sony's anger at the low scores The Order is getting and consumers reaction to seeing these scores (pre-orders cancelled) won't mean Ready at Dawn is doomed to be unable to ever get a second shot at it.

 

[73V3N]

Most of them? Including its sequels, I imagine.



Today? I mean it has aged like shit. I played it for the first time some time ago, didn't get far before I gave up on it.

Will The Order age better?

 

[Mass_Pincup]

So wait, is RAD first party?

No, not yet at least.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

How about these so called "insiders" stop hyping up games they don't even know about? saying people will eat crow and shit like that.

I have nothing against shinobi but he was one of the big mouths when hyping up this game so he could at least come in here and say something.

Why? I'm pretty sure he's enjoying the game. Who gives a shit who hypes what? Don't be so absurd.

Let's just hope Sony's anger at the low scores The Order is getting and consumers reaction to seeing these scores (pre-orders cancelled) won't mean Ready at Dawn is doomed to be unable to ever get a second shot at it.

Surely it depends on sales? Destiny got slated but has still been a resounding success, same goes for Watch_Dogs.

 

[UncleSporky]

I gotta say, this is a really weird juxtaposition to see. I know they have nothing to do with each other...doesn't make it any less weird, given the money and time investment in each game.

 

[GlamFM]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

This is what this thread needs. Stupid conspiracy theories..

 

[Freeman]

This game was sacrificed in the altar of 60$ games.

 

[Alienous]

 

[nobodyshero]

Why do the stands always (seem to be) taken against Sony-marketed or Sony-exclusive games?

Where was the stand taken against Halo: MCC about how that launch was completely unacceptable?

Are you...under the impression that people glossed over the MCC launch?

 

[Trey]

People don't really believe this...do they?

Yes.

It's not that I think it happens, it happens, especially with AAA titles. Don't see this as "here we go, another fanboy" please, it's something that I'm actually noticing. There's a reason (2 actually) in my opinion but I prefer to keep it for myself because I don't want to feed flames.
Few examples from the review threads here on GAF: Driveclub 5 - 9.5 | Infamous 6 - 10 | Killzone 6 - 9.5. It doesn't happen with titles like Resogun or Guilty Gear Xrd or many PSVita titles, check for yourself.
At the same time on the other side, Halo MCC 8 - 10 | Forza Horizon 2 7 - 9.5 | Sunset Overdrive 7 - 9.
Not even particular titles like The Wonderful 101 has such a wide range, if we ignore a 3/10 from a site no one ever heard about (try to guess what they were trying to do), the range is 7 - 9.

Most of the times this is due to a lack of understanding and judgment, like Driveclub is old (?) or it's not open world (??) etc. Now, by my quick reading of the reviews, they're doing pretty much the same with TO: it's linear (so?), it's cinematic (so?) and this:



I can only suggest to give a shot to this game. Borrow it if necessary, play it and make your own idea free from preconceptions, possibly, but to rely on reviews is a bad move.

 

[Kezen]

So wait, is RAD first party?

Not yet but Sony will surely buy them if The Order does well enough sales wise.

This is what this thread needs. Stupid conspiracy theories..

That was sarcasm (I hope).
He can't be serious.

 

[Beefy]

How about these so called "insiders" stop hyping up games they don't even know about? saying people will eat crow and shit like that.

I have nothing against shinobi but he was one of the big mouths when hyping up this game so he could at least come in here and say something.

Ever heard of opinions? Shinobi may have liked what he saw/ heard? if he liked what he saw/heard why wouldn't he hype it up? It's why I never buy a game just because it reviews great. At the end of the day every one has a different opinion.

 

[Gestault]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

I can't handle this being a real post.

 

[hodgy100]

well, that is just metatcritic for you...a conglomerate of some of the most critical minds in the industry.

That is why it is so rare that a game makes 90+ (unless your Nintendo)

my point was more that 7-8 is a good score when most seeing it as disappointing :/

 

[TheChocolateWar]

you're mistaken. AAA always meant high budget. it's an accounting credit rating term.

No, the terminology started with A for games above 70, AA for games above 80, AAA for games above 90. Perhaps it is too much to ask modern gamers to remember the early 2000s.

 

[Pennywise]

Sony's exclusive titles keep bombing, at least from a critic point of view. I don't get it. They've always had extremely stellar 1st party output, at times rivaling Nintendo IMO due to the shear variety and output and not afraid to take chances. I don't see Bloodbourne being a disappointment, because From is amazing, but Sony's output this gen so far seems really uninspired. PS4s keep selling though.

It's called the first year.
Nintendo went through it and others as well, there aren't that many consoles that had 10/10 launch games or a particular lineup within the first year that beat the 2nd,3rd or later year.

If you look at the developers it's even clearer.
Killzone,Infamous never set the world on fire by critic standards.
Driveclub seems to be a decent game (I'm not into racer), but the whole fiasco surrounding it, wasn't doing anyone a favor.
RAD developed their first major game, which seems to be underwhelming on alot of fronts.