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That is what I thought... so why is Sony dead because of the reviews? I can't keep up.

 

[BiGBoSSMk23]

It's not that I think it happens, it happens, especially with AAA titles. Don't see this as "here we go, another fanboy" please, it's something that I'm actually noticing. There's a reason (2 actually) in my opinion but I prefer to keep it for myself because I don't want to feed flames.
Few examples from the review threads here on GAF: Driveclub 5 - 9.5 | Infamous 6 - 10 | Killzone 6 - 9.5. It doesn't happen with titles like Resogun or Guilty Gear Xrd or many PSVita titles, check for yourself.
At the same time on the other side, Halo MCC 8 - 10 | Forza Horizon 2 7 - 9.5 | Sunset Overdrive 7 - 9.
Not even particular titles like The Wonderful 101 has such a wide range, if we ignore a 3/10 from a site no one ever heard about (try to guess what they were trying to do), the range is 7 - 9.

Most of the times this is due to a lack of understanding and judgment, like Driveclub is old (?) or it's not open world (??) etc. Now, by my quick reading of the reviews, they're doing pretty much the same with TO: it's linear (so?), it's cinematic (so?) and this:



I can only suggest to give a shot to this game. Borrow it if necessary, play it and make your own idea free from preconceptions, possibly, but to rely on reviews is a bad move.

Yeah, if there's any use for professional critiques is that they look at the games on their own merits. Judge them as objectively as possible, and impartial to other games .

Lately though, it seems more and more like game critics utilize their personal favourites as the metric for which other games need to be measured, and using the PR environment surrounding the game's release to craft the narrative in their reviews. Like Jeff G. from Giabtbomb comparing DriveClub to FH2 and citing the game's delays and deeming it "not good" as such.

It's just a piss poor job of actually assessing a game's merits.

 

[Inuhanyou]

Sony are lucky they have quite a few more exclusive titles this year to prove themselves with. RAD's output being the first of the year is quite a start

 

[Marvel]

Bravo.

TKO.

 

[Nightengale]

It just shows that they've already invested a ton in this game and it's entirely too late to not be committed to it.

Driveclub barely an any commitment in the US, Asia. Only in UK/Europe did it have some amount of marketing.

Also, I'll reiterate this. The push for Order is bigger than I've ever seen for inFamous SS. (as far as Malaysia is concerned)

 

[iNvid02]

How about these so called "insiders" stop hyping up games they don't even know about? saying people will eat crow and shit like that.

I have nothing against shinobi but he was one of the big mouths when hyping up this game so he could at least come in here and say something.

i dont think its comparable to insiders like cboat or thuway etc

saying X is coming out next year or Y will be at E3 and being factually wrong is one thing, but just saying "this game is gonna be dope eat bird guy" should be an obvious opinion

Spoiler

the next assassins creed game is set to be a jolly good time, pre-order it now.

 

[bombshell]

It's odd seeing people deflect a poor showing by saying something to the effect of "Well [completely unrelated game] is still bad," when those games seem to have been better received.

Back to review responses though, I like the tone of the Escapist writing. It hits the negatives without spending so much energy bemoaning the situation. They talk about disappointment being a factor in the review, but it leaves a comfortable niche for the point of view of people happy to enjoy a game with (heavily) adjusted expectations at a reasonable price.

If you are referring to the Ryse comparisons, then The Order is actually 5 points higher than that right now.

 

[jett]

Will The Order age better?

Considering mechanically it's as simple as Gears and not all that different, I'm guessing it's already dated, like many reviews point out.

 

[Dennis]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

 

[Sid]

PS4's Ryse.

I just finished Ryse a day ago,I liked it....that probably has half the amount of cutscenes & QTEs this game does though

 

[Atomski]

Was kind of expected imo. The game's not for everyone. I just hope it'll find its audience and that it won't flop.

My guess is that it'll end up as a cult game with lot's and lot's of fans.

Dont most cult games get their following due to being hard or complex.. something that hits home with a bunch of gamers and keeps them coming back but not the mass market.

This seems like the opposite.

 

[Pop]

Bravo.

Why is that?

That could be said about a lot of games.

 

[TIMtationX]

I'm now wondering what the long delay was for?

 

[nobodyshero]

I gotta say, this is a really weird juxtaposition to see. I know they have nothing to do with each other...doesn't make it any less weird, given the money and time investment in each game.

Find an indie darling to put alongside both and your mind will be blown

 

[Sadist]

Some of the best steaks i've had have been $20 or less. I look forward to eating this steak someday, for somewhere around that price.

Heh, seems like a good deal then.

But in retrospect it makes the comments from RAD look even worse.

 

[GuitarAtomik]

Wow. A lot of these reviews are brutal. Nothing they've ever shown of the gameplay has ever wowed me so my expectations were in check, but I expected it to be more in the 70-80 metacritic range. I was mostly interested in the setting and story but it sounds like the latter isn't all that great either so I don't know. I planned on waiting for a sale anyway because of my backlog, but I was thinking about biting once it hit $45 or so. Now I'm thinking more like $20-$30. Is this on PSNow? That might be the way to go if so.

 

[maxcriden]

I mean on the upside we know RAD is capable of games with good gameplay, they have in the past. And we know that having the engine in place means the next game if they are smart and want to can really focus on expanding the foundation they have in place for the gameplay and making into something compelling to play too.

Let's just hope Sony's anger at the low scores The Order is getting and consumers reaction to seeing these scores (pre-orders cancelled) won't mean Ready at Dawn is doomed to be unable to ever get a second shot at it.

It all really depends on sales, though. The game can get mediocre reviews but if it sells well, nobody will care that much.

 

[goombatommy]

Don't care what the reviews say. I'm still picking up this game.

 

[Mobile Suit Gooch]

But it's a PS3 remaster...with that logic the could make an Uncharted 2:Remastered too...

I hope so.

 

[Steel]

That's the problem I have with these types of games. Where's the game? How do mechanics not matter first and foremost?

I don't think generalizing cinematic games is a good way to go about it. Gears of War was cinematic and had a great campaign and gameplay.

The gameplay in TLOU was also pretty solid.

 

[Jarmel]

Guys, Shinobi has always been bullish (and usuaally underservedly) about a game's quality. There was a reason why Derrick and him shared that yin-yang tag. Anyone blindly following got exactly what they deserve.

That said, he also didn't lie or mean to mislead.

 

[ReplacementPelican]

well, that is just metatcritic for you...a conglomerate of some of the most critical minds in the industry.

That is why it is so rare that a game makes 90+ (unless your Nintendo)

Or unless it's a Naughty Dog game? Or Bethesda? Or Rocksteady? Lots of games hit 90, they just have to be good enough to do so.

 

[Floridian]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

-2? +2? What? lol

 

[Manbig]

Between all of the dumb shit that RAD has been saying about sacrificing gameplay improvements for a "cinematic" experience, and the lackluster preview videos, I can't say that I'm too surprised at the lukewarm reception for this game.

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

What is this? Are you from the year 2007?

 

[snoopeasystreet]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

HAHAHAHAHAHA!

 

[shandy706]

Why do the stands always (seem to be) taken against Sony-marketed or Sony-exclusive games?

Where was the stand taken against Halo: MCC about how that launch was completely unacceptable?

If you compare like for like though....you got 40+ hours of single player for $60 in MCC and no multiplayer.

Still the better deal. lol

 

[RoboPlato]

I mean on the upside we know RAD is capable of games with good gameplay, they have in the past. And we know that having the engine in place means the next game if they are smart and want to can really focus on expanding the foundation they have in place for the gameplay and making into something compelling to play too.

Let's just hope Sony's anger at the low scores The Order is getting and consumers reaction to seeing these scores (pre-orders cancelled) won't mean Ready at Dawn is doomed to be unable to ever get a second shot at it.

I wouldn't be surprised if there was a lot more pressure from Sony on the next game. I think the marketing push they're giving it will lead to decent sales and I think the amount of time that went into asset/engine work will make a sequel come about much more quickly and cheaper. Guaranteed if there's another one MP will be mandated.

 

[Stereogatari]

I gotta say, this is a really weird juxtaposition to see. I know they have nothing to do with each other...doesn't make it any less weird, given the money and time investment in each game.

That's the story of the gen so far really, WiiU has more quality titles on average than the PS4 or XBone.

 

[Majine]

As expected, a visual masterpiece, but crappy in everything else.

Another 6/7 First party game. Sony should demand more effort from its internal teams. They cant depend all the generation of naughy dog and Druckmann.

Is it even 1st party? RAD is not owned by Sony.

 

[Byron Bluth]

Well, this is a review thread. The game has an OT when gameplay, among other things, can be discussed.

I know. That is the exact reason this thread is so sad. Everyone basing their own opinions and posts on other people's opinions instead of gameplay.

Dying Light is in the mid 70 range and is a damn fun game. I stopped worrying about reviews and started taking chances on my own expectations and opinions.

 

[Beefy]

I mean on the upside we know RAD is capable of games with good gameplay, they have in the past. And we know that having the engine in place means the next game if they are smart and want to can really focus on expanding the foundation they have in place for the gameplay and making into something compelling to play too.

Let's just hope Sony's anger at the low scores The Order is getting and consumers reaction to seeing these scores (pre-orders cancelled) won't mean Ready at Dawn is doomed to be unable to ever get a second shot at it.

We don't know if the sales will be bad or not yet tho.

 

[Haunted]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

Excellent, now this is the kind of completely delusional, batshit crazy, teary-eyed denial conspiracy theory that give the whole thing that additional flair of the dramatic - at the cost of some junior's account, sure, but here at GAF, we're willing to take that one.

 

[Kezen]

Bravo.

This thread delivers unlike The Order.

 

[| Praxis |]

This is the kind of game I'd buy in a steam sale for a fiver, just to see the graphics.

 

[fuzzyreactor]

I really hope the game sees a sequel. Such an interesting premise and world

 

[mephixto]

I'm definitely tempering my expectations, even though I usually tend to agree with GAF impressions more than reviewers. I'm still going to play this game for myself and write up my detailed impressions on it.



Sony's marketing this game hard. I don't think that shows a lack of confidence.

Sony marketing focused on the casual or uninformed sector, hardcore or internet crowd was totally silent.

 

[PoweredBySoy]

65 on Metacritic right now, almost approaching Ryse. Seems the games media hate the whole 'cinematic' 'qte' 'linear' thing anymore.

I bought Ryse the other week when it was $10, and I'd have to agree. The game was a complete bore to play through. Painful, really.

I don't know, I was pretty excited for The Order, even knowing what it was going to be, but maybe I'll just wait until it hits $30.

 

[Amir0x]

Surely it depends on sales? Destiny got slated but has still been a resounding success, same goes for Watch_Dogs.

Yes, that's why I said "and consumers reaction to these scores." Because if consumers do penalize RAD for the state Order is seemingly in, and it sells poorly - remember, this is by RAD's own admission a big budget game which has been in development for five years - I don't think Sony's going to be so game to give them a second chance given the extremely low for a AAA game review scores.

We don't know if the sales will be bad or not yet tho.

I don't know where I implied we did.

 

[Xpliskin]

In RAD's defense, this is their first original IP, on a 8th gen system.

They created one of this gen's best renderer and associated tools.

It's far from a perfect game, but the sequel will have more emphasis on the non-graphical aspects.

This is a wonderful start from a developer's POV, but customers don't really care about that.

 

[Chobel]

LOL!!!

 

[Portugeezer]

Well damn. At least it looks like the price will drop quickly.

 

[Doc Holliday]

One thought on this, just because The Order isn't great it doesn't mean every game needs to have emergent gameplay. I like linear games as long as the core gameplay is good, ie Platinum, gears, uncharted, GoW and TLOU. It's the cutscenes, short game length and qte I can't stand!

A game doesn't have to be Far cry 4 and Skyrim to be good.

 

[goldsoundz]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

People actually believe this shit too. This thread is delivering.

 

[Always-honest]

It all really depends on sales, though. The game can get mediocre reviews but if it sells well, nobody will care that much.

I kinda hope it sells relatively well, so they can make a sequel with less cutscenes and more gameplay (and maybe spice up some other areas...)

 

[Mass_Pincup]

Sony tends to get -2 review handicap because they don't strong arm publications and don't have the money to sweeten their relationships with them. Then there's the fact that they tend to be very hands off, and use their IPs as loss leaders. If they're not, all the better.

EA and Ubi have the deep pockets to market a mess of a game and find friendly eyes at the big sites. Not everyone does though. A better context would be they actually get a +2 handicap

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[Freeman]

I mean on the upside we know RAD is capable of games with good gameplay, they have in the past. And we know that having the engine in place means the next game if they are smart and want to can really focus on expanding the foundation they have in place for the gameplay and making into something compelling to play too.

Let's just hope Sony's anger at the low scores The Order is getting and consumers reaction to seeing these scores (pre-orders cancelled) won't mean Ready at Dawn is doomed to be unable to ever get a second shot at it.

That would suck, Sony would be smart to give them another opportunity. They have this excellent PS4 engine now.

This is way worse than expected. I think even Ryse had better scores.

Not true. Ryse had like 3 positive reviews.

 

[kewlmyc]

This is way worse than expected. I think even Ryse had better scores.

 

[shinobi602]

Bon appétit!

I don't know what that's for lol, I'm stoked to pick up my copy tomorrow

I never lied about anything related to the game. What was described to me and shown to me impressed me a lot and got me really excited by it. I get excited about a shit ton of games lol. I'm still excited to play it.

 

[Niven]

Most of them? Including its sequels, I imagine.



Today? I mean it has aged like shit. I played it for the first time some time ago, didn't get far before I gave up on it.

I guess we have different opinions, because for me gears of war 3 is still the best cover based shooter I've played and I don't think it's been topped. the mechanics in that game are still flawless and still put most other third person cover based shooters to shame!

 

[016]

You guys are taking this a lot better than I expected. The casualties are at a all time low.